Fatty Liver

At this point difficult to make changes to the RB's or the O-line so I hope Marcel can quickly come up with a different plan of action for the Argo game. If we see more of the same play calling ineptitude I'm going to lose it. Is the lateral dead and forgotten? Run outside, that is the only place that Ford finds success and it's going to be the same for for either Grigsby or Cotton with this O-line.

While it looked funny it was actually a smart play. A younger less experienced QB would have tried to make a play and would have fumbled or thrown an INT. With the pressure in his face and 3 points sorely needed for the win, it was the best move Glenn could have made at that point. I couldn't fault him for turtling. Kevin Glenn seems to know that he's not a superhero and he accepts his limitations as a small QB, this probably explains his longevity in the league. People tend to hate him for this quality but what I see is a QB that can do his job very well as long as other components of the offence are doing their jobs moderately well. This means O-line is protecting and receivers are catching. When these two components are in place Glenn rarely loses a game because he is a precise commander of the offence and he moves the ball very well down the field. I really enjoy watching him in these situations because they are usually high scoring exciting games. If he's picking himself off the turf every second play I turn off the game because these games usually turn out to be duds in terms of entertainment value if the BB are not involved.

Thank you!

He had one carry in the game against SK, and 4 against Ham. That's hardly enough to judge him on how well he runs the ball. You totally miss what I said, didn't you. When he got the ball, the defenders were in the backfield with him - hence why he only has the carries he has. My point is this my friend - you could bring any RB in the world and plop them in the Bomber backfield - if he gets the ball and is looking into the whites of the eyes of the defender - he ain't going anywhere. Until our Oline gets stronger, and we can disguise our runs better, Cotton, Grigsby, or me. Doesn't matter. Charles Roberts regularly left guys grasping for air in the backfield. Now I'm not expecting these guys on the team now to be as good as Charles Roberts, but it clearly goes to show that your "no running back would make a difference" argument is flawed. I expect a back to be able to make people miss at least sometimes, Grigsby has done it only a handful of times and seems to have a remarkable ability to run into tacklers. He's not making enough people miss and that's a problem. Cotton I think can make more people miss and can generate more yards as a result. He might get stuff for a loss too, but I bet he won't get stuffed for a loss as often., Got to agree, I've never witnessed a RB get so many touches and come up with so few rushing yards as Grigsby in recent games. In the last 3 games he has carried the ball 39 times and gained a total of 82 yds. and in two of those games his avg. carry has been just over or just under 1 yard per carry. I repeat 1 yard per carry. If you remove his longest runs of each of those 3 games it reduces his yards gained to 43 yds. gained on 36 carries!!! I believe it was established in past discussions that the BB don't really have the worst O-line in the league and they actually fall in at about the middle of the pack based on statistics. I believe Hamilton, Edmonton, Ottawa, Toronto and perhaps BC at times have all been considered to have weaker O-lines than the Bombers. Not one of those teams has a RB that continues to play with running stats. any where near as pathetic as Grigsby's recent numbers. Good blocking or bad it's not all on the O-line and, a RB at some point has to be able to create some yards on their own and in this respect Grigsby has been a dismal failure. The most amazing thing is that Marcel and/or O'Shea keep calling his number as the starting tail back.

just as important how has the Argos. injury situation changed in the last two weeks? If Durie and Owens are back Ray will have something to work with.

Right....WestySucks already established that Kevin Glenn is a "pansy" a few weeks back. You want to bring that discussion up again?

Well the only points sask scored was when its offense was off the field Apples & oranges. I don't care about the Riders. WE couldn't score because our offense was standing at the bench watching. We should all promise to leave this discussion behind when the Bombers play the Riders on Labour Day and in every subsequent game the Bombers face Messam. Water under the bridge. Doesn't preclude from the ongoing search for a bigger RB and hopefully Walters doesn't share O'Shea's opinion that there is nothing wrong with the running game other than player mistakes.

OH YEAH. As soon as I read that I was like, that is totally what it looks like. Funny, ties in beautifully with the "Hillbilly theme".

Do they really? I want you to actually justify that comment because I see a team that lost because they turned the ball over when they got it and that isn't affected by the Riders picking up meaningless rushing yards (and yes they were meaningless because they didn't result in a hell of a lot of points) Cuz you asked so nicely.... Rider's offense was almost non-existent before they started running Messam. Continue with that and our offense gets more chances with the ball, their defense gets tired due to lopsided TOP, they lose the field position battle and the game. The yards weren't meaningless, although your posts are getting more and more so. As I thought, you're going with the "just because" reasoning. The Bombers got the ball back plenty of times with plenty of time left and they utterly failed to move the ball. Now in your world apparently more chances would have made it better? I dunno about that, we've seen this offense bog down before against certain defenses and it doesn't matter how many times they get the ball back. Willy wasn't feeling it clearly, he was throwing dangerous passes, they couldn't get the run game going... More opportunities with the ball I don't think would have helped, and to be quite honest, I think without Messam the Riders were a more dangerous team because they would have actually tried passing the ball rather than settling into the conservative 6 yards a carry game they did and they might have broken a big play or two and scored more points. I'll give up 100+ yards in a half if the qb barely cracks 100 passing. Do they really? I want you to actually justify that comment because I see a team that lost because they turned the ball over when they got it and that isn't affected by the Riders picking up meaningless rushing yards (and yes they were meaningless because they didn't result in a hell of a lot of points) Cuz you asked so nicely.... Rider's offense was almost non-existent before they started running Messam. Continue with that and our offense gets more chances with the ball, their defense gets tired due to lopsided TOP, they lose the field position battle and the game. The yards weren't meaningless, although your posts are getting more and more so. As I thought, you're going with the "just because" reasoning. The Bombers got the ball back plenty of times with plenty of time left and they utterly failed to move the ball. Now in your world apparently more chances would have made it better? I dunno about that, we've seen this offense bog down before against certain defenses and it doesn't matter how many times they get the ball back. Willy wasn't feeling it clearly, he was throwing dangerous passes, they couldn't get the run game going... More opportunities with the ball I don't think would have helped, and to be quite honest, I think without Messam the Riders were a more dangerous team because they would have actually tried passing the ball rather than settling into the conservative 6 yards a carry game they did and they might have broken a big play or two and scored more points. I'll give up 100+ yards in a half if the qb barely cracks 100 passing. Oh ye' of little faith, your argument is without merit. Essentially what you're saying is that it doesn't matter how many extra possessions the Bombers would have had in the last Q. without Messam because they had no chance of scoring more points anyway because the O was playing poorly. How does that make sense in the context of the Ti-Cat game when they had 3 possessions that stalled in the 4th Q before they finally got their **** together and mounted the drive that won the game on the last play. More possessions=more opportunity to score points=better chance to win the game.

Botched hold on a FG cost them the win against Calgary. Bad gun snap on the 2 yard line cost them a TD last night. Costly penalties & turnovers. The Cats have a suicide tendency to do stupid things at critical times. Is that just bad luck or do some players have character issues that Austin has to weed out? This is happening too much for it just to be a coincidence or an isolated event. Some players choke under pressure. I don't think it's luck as much as it's being 'almost' good enough to win coupled with losing their first string QB and 3 starting O lineman plus others. LeFevour is getting better each game out, but that O line is still a big stinking pile. Hamilton is taking a bunch of dumb penalties. Some of that's on the coaching staff. Some on the players. Some on trying to do a little too much like getting one extra hit in. Some on backups getting beat and having to grab to survive. As the games are really close these mistakes are magnified much like the last couple of years in Bomberland. The Ti-Cats are also over emotional on the defencive side, perhaps an ill advised reflection of the character of their head coach. Numerous times they were jumping up and down screaming at the officials and eventually they were punished for these outbursts with unsportsman-like conduct penalties which diminished their chances of winning further.

To be honest I've never seen a RB put up the kind of pathetic running stats Grigsby has in the last two games were he has basically Don't know if many of you go this far back but the Als used to have a RB named Steve Ferrughelli who played for 3 or 4 years back in the mid 70's that reminds me of Messam. This guy was an absolute beast and was a lock to gain 7 or 8 yards each time he carried the ball, even when the other team knew he was getting the ball they still couldn't stop him. Memory is a bit foggy but I believe he won at least 2 Grey Cups in the years when it was either the EE's or the Als contending for it every year.

On a positive note the Bombers did well with their short yardage scheme last night, with Pontbriand and Fitzgerald pushing the pile. Even saw Vega come in on the "Big Team".

Surprised that Wylie has not had a hand at upgrading the Intl. linemen, thought with his stature and connections the Bombers would have a plethora of new candidates to pick from. I see no evidence that he has sourced any Intl. linemen so far.

Moore should be back this week, Denmark, Kelly and Moore is as good as it gets.

I'd hope to god that isn't the case.

Agreed. Based on what I've seen allowed in other games that completed pass should have been allowed. Play was reviewed and linesman's call was confirmed. Can't complain that he did his job. What's the rule actually, does anybody actually know the rule? Cuz if it's you can't have your legs over the line of scrimmage, then the play should have stood, If it's you can't release the ball from your hands over the line of scrimmage then they got it right. The other thing is.. not making excuses but floyd and gbill are correct in saying that play has been allowed several times in the past, even this year for that matter. Gotta actually know what the real definition of that rule is.. If legs can't be over the line, it should have stood, if the ball can't be, then they got it right probably.. however, it then becomes a silly rule cuz when you throw the ball, your hand will always be past your legs unless you are some freak or leaning forward quite a bit, almost in a criss angel walking down the side of a building way... According to Suitor it is the point that the ball leaves the QB's hand, so from that perspective they got it right. Makes more sense to me to focus on the forward foot from the last point it touches the ground, just like with a reception. Easier to verify too.

Agreed. Based on what I've seen allowed in other games that completed pass should have been allowed. Play was reviewed and linesman's call was confirmed. Can't complain that he did his job.

You're correct, it all rolled together to allow the RR to escape with 2 pts. Chamblin said it was the toughest victory he's ever pulled off.

I believe they will each be different designs. The black jerseys BC had last year are apparently their version of this release. Who knows why they were released a year early. It's spelled R-E-V-E-N-U-E.

Very good! Looks like Winnipeg has found a new Golden Boy.

Messam did that? I must have missed it. Let's see. 23 points. 7 from an interception returned for a touchdown. 7 from a fumble returned for a touchdown. 3 from a fumble recovered at the 20, minimal advancement, turned into a field goal. 3 from a field goal generated by the offence in the first half. Messam had 0 carries in the first half. 3 from a field goal generated by the offence in the second half. Okay, Messam contributed to the scoring of 3 points. The oddest thing in all of this is it's still a Messam vs Volny debate for some people even though not one single person has ever argued that Volny is a better running back. Volny has 0 carries this season. Just like I had said he would have. The Bombers aren't using him as a running back. Just like I previously said they would not. He remains a role player, just like he always has. His position is listed as RB. It would be more accurate if it just said "Player". Your logic is teetering on the edge of ridiculous. It doesn't matter if it's Volny or any of the other "non-impact" Natls. the Bombers harbour, when they pass on an "impact" Natl. you have to question the policy. Burgess is correct Messam was the difference between winning and losing last night despite your argument that he only contributed to 3 pts. He killed the clock and wore out the BB defence when nothing else was working for the RR. If he's in the Bombers backfield last night they have the ability to grind down the clock with a one point lead and 2 minutes to play without putting the ball in the sky. Messam had a great game last night. Behind that line he might have many. We don't have that line. The logic is pretty simple. People want to argue that Messam is a better running back than Volny. I don't know what imaginary person they are arguing with. Volny is not our backup RB. Cotton is. Forget Volny already. Messam is a more valuable Natl. than most of the no-name Natls. the Bombers employ. Thus he easily could have been accommodated on the roster when the opportunity presented itself for future use and benefit of the team. When the next Natl. LB comes available are they going to pass on him because they're already "set" at linebacker. I hope not. They have to think long-term and acquire Natl. assets and not just focus on the needs of the moment.

Might as well accept it, "ugly" is "in" and has been for awhile.

Messam did that? I must have missed it. Let's see. 23 points. 7 from an interception returned for a touchdown. 7 from a fumble returned for a touchdown. 3 from a fumble recovered at the 20, minimal advancement, turned into a field goal. 3 from a field goal generated by the offence in the first half. Messam had 0 carries in the first half. 3 from a field goal generated by the offence in the second half. Okay, Messam contributed to the scoring of 3 points. The oddest thing in all of this is it's still a Messam vs Volny debate for some people even though not one single person has ever argued that Volny is a better running back. Volny has 0 carries this season. Just like I had said he would have. The Bombers aren't using him as a running back. Just like I previously said they would not. He remains a role player, just like he always has. His position is listed as RB. It would be more accurate if it just said "Player". Your logic is teetering on the edge of ridiculous. It doesn't matter if it's Volny or any of the other "non-impact" Natls. the Bombers harbour, when they pass on an "impact" Natl. you have to question the policy. Burgess is correct Messam was the difference between winning and losing last night despite your argument that he only contributed to 3 pts. He killed the clock and wore out the BB defence when nothing else was working for the RR. If he's in the Bombers backfield last night they have the ability to grind down the clock with a one point lead and 2 minutes to play without putting the ball in the sky.

You're kidding, right? Okay. I'll gladly take Messam on this team. If we also get Saskatchewan's entire Oline with it. No one else see their backs running untouched 7 yards past the line of scrimmage, our guys getting hit 2 yards behind our line? Didn't see 5 guys in white and green running downhill and absolutely destroying our front 7? Ford, the guy we cut, gets 5 TDs in 5 quarters behind them? Allen, the guy they essentially benched after 2 weeks, still a top 5 rusher in the league? You think these are the achievements of the running backs? Okeydokey pokey. If you didn't notice Messam wasn't running untouched. Even when the Bombers knew he was carrying the ball every play he was getting 4-5 yards and sometimes 8-9 yards carrying players on his back. Sure their offencive line was a huge part of ithis success but Messam was the bull and the Bomber D. was the china shop. Jerome has found a home and he is going to be a huge change maker in the RR offence moving forward. He might have had a significant impact on the Bombers game as well and maybe Willy wouldn't have to throw the ball every time he needs to pick up more than 3 yards. I don't understand the logic of letting a player of that caliber go to a rival team when the Bombers Cdn. depth is so shallow. Throw Volny onto the practice roster if they really want to keep him, no other team is going to grab him. If Walters thought they were set at running back, it looks like he was wrong.

Anyone want to make their case for not picking up Messam noooowww? Oh right, he doesn't play on special teams and invisible Volny does.