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With the list of QBs I've seen in the thread... I might not sleep tonight with all the terrifying memories!

I remember watching the first half of the Banjo bowl in 2013 and me and a friend both could see that team going 1-17... they were 1-9 (or maybe 8 or 10, I don't remember) at the time... that team managed to squeak out 3 wins... so I could definitely see them winning at least 4 this year... If u are referring to the riders, they came into the banjo bowl in 2013 at 8-2. Maybe u meant 2011, think we only had 3 wins coming into banjo bowl that year. sorry, I should have clarified...by "that team" I meant the Bombers... and "them" in the last sentence is the Riders... damn pronouns... can't you read my mind?!?

haha love the unabashed optimism...

With a torn pec I expect him to be out for the season. Yeah, January missed the entire 2010 season after tearing a pec in a preseason game. Didn't Lobendahn miss time with a torn pec one year too?

I remember watching the first half of the Banjo bowl in 2013 and me and a friend both could see that team going 1-17... they were 1-9 (or maybe 8 or 10, I don't remember) at the time... that team managed to squeak out 3 wins... so I could definitely see them winning at least 4 this year...

Jim Toth isn't perfect... but he's no where near the worst...

It's coming to the point where I really dislike both those guys...for no apparent reason, just from all the negativity surrounding the debate. It is a bit of a change though... for so many years the back up QB was always the most popular guy in the stadium!

Have the Esks had any success in recent home games?

the "bad" NFL teams are the ones most looking to improve talent... the "good" ones already have established starters, typically have groomed back-ups, and draft well... There's a reason Green Bay and New England are perennial favourites... you mean like the Seahawks, Chris Mathews, (big plays that helped them get to the Super Bowl) John Ryan former bomber punter. who threw a touchdown pass in the semi final, or Cameron Wake, Dolphins, probably a pro bowler every year for several years. the steelers, are one of the teams that have a good chance to win the whole thing. just checked, one vegas outfit has only seven teams ahead of the steelers. etc etc I wasn't agreeing with him, simply pointing out why it appears that way... but if you want to make it a fun debate I should point out a few things in your argument... Chris Matthews was largely insignificant in Seattle before the SB, was shut down in the second half of that game (by Brandon Browner, who would've have proved your point better) and it still no lock to make the team this year... Jon Ryan was signed out of the CFL by Green Bay, not Seattle... Cam Wake is phenomenal, but no one is confusing Miami for a perennial favourite... and yes the Steelers are trying out a couple guys this year but are both considered to be long shots... I don't agree that only the "bad" teams sign CFLers... but it's easy to see why that's the perception...

I don't know that the Willy injury against Edm was an "obvious penalty"... but I did point out during the game that Jake Thomas got called for a penalty that was essentially the same type of play...

Maybe the rational posters to a degree yes.. But there is ample reasons listed as to why this is.. I'll reinerate again tho.. -marve hurt -brohm is more experienced -brohm is more of a pocket passer These are the 3 that stand out to me as why brohm is ahead of marve at this point.. - when Marve was not hurt....Marve was outperforming Brohm. Once again, I'm going to ask the question, when? When has Marve outperformed Brohm? In practice? In preseason? It's comments like this that make me want to lose it on people. Practice and preseason mean almost nothing. Again, I'm not saying Brohm doesn't suck, or that I don't want Marve to play. I want Marve to play, and I hope he succeeds. But we haven't seen anything from him to say he is better then Brohm yet. The rest of your comments I agree with. Last season? BROHM, B 2014 WPG 39 70 55.7 454 54 0 0 1 1.43 69.6 MARVE, R 2014 WPG 11 22 50 140 42 1 4.6 0 85.4 So you're telling me that you can tell by these stats, that Marve outperformed Brohm last season? Really? Looks pretty similar to me, other then Marve running a lot more then Brohm. With this little amount of playing time behind Marve, we can't really judge if he's better then Brohm. Again, I hope he is if he ever gets to play because I'm tired of watching Brohm. But you have no proof yet. Every time I hear people say "WE NEED TO START MARVE, HE'S BETTER THEN BROHM", all I keep hear is the past few years bouncing back..."we need to play Brink, he's better then Buck", "we need to play Elliott, he's better then Brink", "we need to play Goltz, he's better then Buck/Elliott", etc... And when they got to play what did we hear from the same people who were screaming and yelling to have them play? "Get rid of Brink/Elliott/Goltz...he sucks!". I didn't say his stats were better... I just thought maybe DoD was referring to last season as his basis for the claim that Marve was outperforming Brohm... and you're right, Brohm's stats are a little better... but we all know stats don't tell the whole story...

It's tough to push an agenda when you view things rationally and objectively

I've always felt that Willy is an underrated runner... sure he's not a natural scrambler, but he moves well when he has to... I wish we would design a few more plays that get him moving outside the pocket and give him the opportunity to make some plays... who's job is that again?

Maybe the rational posters to a degree yes.. But there is ample reasons listed as to why this is.. I'll reinerate again tho.. -marve hurt -brohm is more experienced -brohm is more of a pocket passer These are the 3 that stand out to me as why brohm is ahead of marve at this point.. - when Marve was not hurt....Marve was outperforming Brohm. Once again, I'm going to ask the question, when? When has Marve outperformed Brohm? In practice? In preseason? It's comments like this that make me want to lose it on people. Practice and preseason mean almost nothing. Again, I'm not saying Brohm doesn't suck, or that I don't want Marve to play. I want Marve to play, and I hope he succeeds. But we haven't seen anything from him to say he is better then Brohm yet. The rest of your comments I agree with. Last season?

the "bad" NFL teams are the ones most looking to improve talent... the "good" ones already have established starters, typically have groomed back-ups, and draft well... There's a reason Green Bay and New England are perennial favourites...

That second and 3 play, where Edmonton stacked the box, and Willy handed off to Cotton for a two yard loss, just had me screaming at the TV. Everyone knew a hand-off was coming, and yet MB just made Willy do it anyway. Same with the hand-off to Marshall on the 3 yard line. Brohm should have had AT&T on his helmet, he was telegraphing that play so much. I do hate the way we run the ball. Where's the sweeps? Counters? Off tackle runs. Seems like shot gun formation run up the middle every time. No imagination. No variation. That falls on the coaching staff. Our left tackle was embarrassing and our centre was constantly shoved backwards without any resistance.. But yup, we shoulda been running off tackle for losses. Seems wise. You thought Bryant was embarrassing. Not what I was watching. Our OL had an overall poor game, but they are infinitely better than last year's line. I expected better run blocking than what we are getting though. I think *hope* he meant RT... Devin Tyler... then I would agree...

Much better IMO. Westerman is showing why we wanted him and the interior is getting a better push with Collins in there..Makes we wonder what's up with turner? Is he playing hurt or do teams just scheme him into medocrity now? Turner is small for an interior DL. I hope the coaching staff stays with this combo and doesn't let politics, like ego, big name and contract size get in the way of who plays. I was wondering before the season why he went down to 265 or so... he usually played around 280-290... at 265 he has no chance against 310 lb interior linemen...

There's always Tom Brady? And he can even play with deflated footballs. He's a system QB... not sure he would fit in MB's scheme

Well that would be thrilling

Don't worry, there will always be "confusion"

Completely agree... I get that the offense will be a little out-of-sync when there's a QB change... but for some reason it seems to affect the D and ST too... it's a little odd

we played a stellar half of football and started losing when brohm and tyler forgot how to play football.. Talking up a 0 and 5 team over "your" team... especially it being the riders... Devin Tyler was getting dominated by Willis... hopefully Jace Daniels is back soon...

Maybe we'll make Calgary feel that way about Davis

Seeing the Rider lose is nice consolation... but a winning Bomber team trumps anything the Riders do...