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I will admit that i have heard about those Trouba issues but those aren't the ones i was talking about as i Feel trading BOGO was pretty much the end of that problem. I was more referring to his off ice workout issues, he's not really committed to the game off the ice, he doesn't work out, he's not a gym guy. He needs to probably show that he is more committed off the ice first then he will get paid nicely. Cuz right now, I dunno if i give Trouba a long term deal or not, I'm not sure If i even keep him around if his off ice issues are as serious as some say they are. Brandon is referring to things that happened when BOGO was around, I'd like to think that those are non issues now. I hope they are cuz if they aren't, and this is just me guessing cuz really that's all any of us can actually do, then it's very serious and he needs some help but it seems the Jets have provided that with the hiring of his brother and his brother Copp and Trouba all living together now. I dunno what to believe anymore. Sometimes I think people make things up, other times i think there is some truth there.

or maybe they agree to trade him but wink wink nudge nudge to sign him in the off-season. Let him go chase another cup and then come back. It's not unheard of.

I would suggest that we are probably just gonna bring in some street free agents, you will see some releases also, a few vets (Turner being the most obvious one) and Peach and perhaps Anderson but i do like Zach as i think he's a gamer but was coming off injury last year, would like to see him back rotating with Cummings. Think outside of Westerman, Anderson was our best DL by far. Cole/Green/Vaughn and others will compete for the DE spot opposite Westerman Cummings and Shologan will be our DT. Anderson could very well be a backup rotational guy with Cummings. Thomas will be the guy who rotates with Shologan LB's are set... The only real question mark for me is SAM... and that's gonna be 1 of Randle or Leggett more than likely DB's If Randle moves back there Randle,Adams,Johnson,Bucknor is most likely Safety, I'd like to see Waggoner back there or Teague Sherman for that matter. and that gives up potentially 4 starting Canadians on the D. You could eliminate Bucknor and just go with an all american Defensive BAckfield.. might be the smartest thing to do. On O Willy.Nichols. Davis/Bennett/WIlliams or whatever his name is Daniels,Neufeld,Goossen,Chungh,Bryant. Keeping. Dressler,Denmark,Smith,Adams (or Rookie), Kohlert Harris That's potentially 9 Starting Canadians, I would suggest based on Walters comments, that's it's more likely we start the minimum 7 or possibly 8 Canadians maximum. So in reality, you could eliminate Bucknor and replace him with an american to get you down to 8 starting Canadians. I think the 8 other guys in bold, not including Bucknor are pretty much a lock to start... Waggoner probably isn't a lock but... i think it's probably best to start a CDN safety than a CB... and yeah i get that the CB doesn't really get that many looks his way but... i think the smarter thing to do is play an american where Bucknor plays. I also think it's possible we go 3 internationals on the OLINE.

Pav will start Saturday then. Going to the Moose game earlier in the day so i'll get to see Helle probably

Unreal... Helle sent to the Moose. Pav activated from IR. the TANK IS ON. Another questionable coaching decision.

Trouba should probably get more than Murray but less than other RFA d men like Lindholm and Reilly. I'd say if they bridge him, 2 years 6 million. If they go long term, it's gonna be more 7 or 8 x 5.5 or 6 million a year. Trade Myers, Trade Enstrom.

I like Maurice as a coach but... he has a tendency to throw his rookies under the bus a little too much and stick up for his vets too much. Excellent example of that is Stuart or Thorburn, goes to great lengths to defend them. Then you look at his comments last night after the game about Hellebuyck and he basically threw him under the bus. Maurice, as much as some may not want to admit it, he's a career .500 coach, He's not the best coach, he's not the worst, he's average. There are plenty of coaches better than him. The fact is, Maurice was out of coaching in the NHL for many years, he was passed over by multiple teams multiple times. I like him but I'm not sure he's the right coach for the Job. If this team continues to suck next season, Maurice will be let go. It's that simple and that's pretty it for him coaching in the NHL then. I like the guy but he does a lot of things that makes you question him. And don't tell me that Frolik Stemp and whoever else from last year makes this team go from bottom 5 to playoff contender cuz that's a load of crap. Buff,Wheeler and the rookies have been our best players this year and it's not even close.. by rookies i will also include Scheif eventho he is not a rookie but on a nightly basis, when the team is doing well, it's not guys like Ladd stepping up or even Little, who is having a down year himself, it's Ehlers, It's Scheif.. It's Wheeler, It's Buff, and it's Helle stealing games the Jets have no business winning.

There is always the possibility that he is traded but then signed in the off-season to a more reasonable contract. That's not as far fetched as i originally thought it might be. Let's be honest here, The Cap won't be rising that much if at all, it might even lower because of the CDN dollar, if it does or stays the same, which contender actually has cap space? None of them really do so it's very possible Ladd is traded to a contender and then ends up signing back here in the off-season. Much like Vermette did with Arizona. I don't think Ladd will get close to 6 million as a UFA, i just don't see teams paying that much anymore for guys in their 30's. The landscape has somewhat changed recently.. we saw it last off-season, guys didn't get as much money as they normally do. Teams are up against the CAP. and If I'm ladd, I'd rather sign back here where maybe we have a chance of making the playoffs next season then somewhere else like let's just say Toronto who has tons of cap space but not much of a chance at the playoffs. Ladds wife wants to stay.That's the bottom line. She wants to stay, her practice is doing very well and to start up elsewhere would be a pain. She loves it here, much Like Buff and Wheelers wives, they love it here and want to stay.

Ladds wife is a doctor more specifically an optometrist with her own practice that she set up here. She doesn't want to leave and start over in a new city

Your first point.... that's coaching. I agree with the PSA line

Don't think Ladd will budge. His wife wants to stay tho so maybe he does. Anything above 6 is 2 much so 6 years x 5.5 would be fine

Chicago or Dallas let's say.. 1st and high end prospect cuz those 1st Rd picks will be late Ideally a LHD prospect and 1st Totally depends on who you trade him too. Late firsts IMO should also include a near ready preferably LHD prospect If some bubble team wants him... then a 1st and not do high end prospect. Again tho. .. LHD prospect Anaheim I'd do their first and Larson. I'd do Theodore straight up. It totally depends. Perhaps a bidding war breaks out and you get more Chicago let's say... 1st and Ville Pokka. He's a d prospect. Washington I'd want bowey. Yeah they both might be rhd... not sure about Pokka but those are the guys I'd want.

So blaming 2 4th liners a rookies? K. Cool

Oh well. They won't make the playoffs. Oh well. There's always next year.

Think this topic deserves a BUMP

Like I said.... oh well. I'm looking forward to the draft. Floyd... those are all coaching issues. I agree hellebuyck is playing 2 much. He's a rookie for God's sake. Ehlers worked his way up. As did Armia. They aren't the issues. It's coaching. Maurice is part of the problem and might be the biggest problem

Oh well. The thing that pissed me off the most. ... it's not that they lost. It's listening to beyak pretending we have a shot at the wildcard.

The same helle who beat st louis the other night? Give your head a shake Floyd

It wasn't tanking. It was dominating for 30 minutes then sucking for 30 minutes. You can't play 30 minutes and expect to win. They had like 5 shots on goal in the last 30 minutes. And all 5 were simple saves

Lol. Youth movement fail? You mean ehlers and Hellebuyck and Armia cuz what other youth. 4th don't play enough for Copp to count. The fail in this game was coaching. Stu still picking up his jock after 2 goals against with him looking lost .... back out the next shift. Stafford I'd back to sucking also. Did he play tonight cuz didn't notice. So they beat Colorado and St Louis but lose to Boston and fail? WTF

Helle can't be blamed on those 3. I think Maurice is playing him 2 much. Hutch played well last game he played. Why not play Hutch more. Helle needs rest

A bag of pucks is about equal to Kanes value

I'd offer nothing

Why trade for him. They will probably release him and then... you can get him for cheaper if you want him. LB isn't exactly an area of huge concern tho. Plus. He pretty much blew us off last time. Gonna say it.... screw Muamba

One or the other.