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I agree. looked like both Kuale and the ORB player went for the hit, kuale won. Thats why he was flagged. My guess if Kuale was the one that went down instead of the ORB player that the ORB would have got the UR call. Didn't like that call. But the one on Hank was definitely a dumb play.

waters is money, the guy is the best all around kicker in the league.

That was iffy for sure, looked pretty good to me, but who knows. Pretty sure when they say "not enough evidence to over turn the call on the field" it pretty much means we arent willing to admit we screwed up. 14-7. Lawrence with the TD. looked like he stepped out of bounds.

14-0. 2 td catches for Owens.

So if he hits FA lets not try at all? Typical fail attitude. Apparently you're not alone. Pie-in the-sky is thinking this team gets better if we stay with the personnel we have. Pretty sure if he hits free agency, we will try and try hard. I just think most people here are under the impression that guys like that won't make it to free agency because they are too important to their teams, Might they? sure and if they do, i'm pretty sure all of us on here would say Go after them all but i think the reality is that guys like that rarely to never make it to free agency. Don't think anybody is saying don't try, just think most are saying, we won't have the ability to try cuz those guys will be signed well before free agency hits.

Man, it's early but TO is dominating.

Yeah but thats ignoring the wind and the fact that after the game O'shea said that in warmups lirims range in to the wind was at the 40, we were at the 40 roughly, wouldn't have been a 40 yarder, would have been a 45-48 yarder really, not sure that field goal is made, to be honest, not sure it even makes it to the endzone, I don't like the idea of saying yeah but a fg, well, what if they go for the fg, miss and ottawa runs it back for a td, that's just as likely in that situation. And regardless, the D still needs to make a stop, make some tackles, something they couldn't do last night. That play in the big picture was irrelevant, lose by 22, not 7 or less

7-0 Toronto early in the game.

I don't know if they are guilty of over-estimating our current talent, i'm just not sure they have any other options, gotta think if they had other options, guys like richardson and pall wouldn't be on the field. Think it's a depth issue and that particular one is a canadian depth issue, something we all knew would be a problem this year, especially when guys like lucas and newman got hurt b4 the real bullets started flying.

A few days ago I was posting just how bad a DC Etch is & how I want him gone. He was being defended by more than a few here saying that his defense saved games for us & kept us in others. It wasn't the defense, the posters said that was a problem. It was the offense. Well, we travel to Ottawa lose embarrassingly to the worst team in the CFL & a couple of our major problems was the inability to tackle & stop the run which has been the way it's been defensively all season. I want Etch gone but I'm getting the impression that MOS will stubbornly go down with his coaches before he fires any of them so we're stuck with this guy for the long term. The offense scored 13 points last night...that's not enough to win. No but Ottawa also was shredding the defense last night pretty consistently, weird stat, time of possession almost dead even. Just that Ottawa took advantage of some pretty sloppy tackling all night long and really some pretty crazy whacky defensive formations, not sure why we were playing so soft defensively last night, like no pressure on hank all night and seemingly giving Ottawas receivers a few yards of cushion, almost like the d plan was to let Ottawa catch the ball. It was an odd defensive performance last night. Only has happened once before this game really, vs Edmonton where they totally forgot how to tackle.

and to the surprise of absolutely nobody, tangradi cleared waivers and has been sent to St Johns.

Have to agree with this particular one for sure, when i saw 9 games on the line there i thought Interesting, this should be interesting but then i noticed they were all leaning towards the one side, leaving the other side completely exposed, sure enough Ottawa saw it and ran a reverse of some kind to the side of the field where the guys weren't leaning, big gain. No chance to really stop it, Guess leggett did have a chance there and leggett is a pretty good tackler most times but one miss and that guy was gone for a big one.

It's october, free agency doesn't start until February, This article would make more sense if it was Feb 14th not Oct 4th. Lots of time to go.

Yeah the crazy thing in all of this, if BC loses tonight vs Hamilton, i think it's very likely they lose, we are still only one game behind them with one game to play against them, Think our season comes down to what we do vs BC really... Starting to look that way, if we keep losing and BC keeps losing and we beat BC, man we pretty much get in ahead of them. What really sucks though is last night was a huge game, it was as close to must win as you can get without it actually being a must win game, by that i mean our season didn't end last night because of the loss so it wasn't actually a must win, it was just a must win because, if bc loses tonight, we would have been tied with them at 7-7, but the part that sucks is our guys completely **** the bed, totally didn't show up at all, from the first real play of the game onward. I think whoever wins that game later in the year, bc at winnipeg, they are the team that gets in. I mean if our guys can't get up for a game like last nights, i dunno what to think anymore. Guess i'll just say i predicted they would have about 8 wins, thought 8-10 was likely, wasn't sure if it would be enough to make the playoffs but... right now, it's looking like 8-10 may get you in. we need 2 more wins. Need to beat BC for sure. That's the one game that actually means something for real. THey all mean something but... that one game remaining against BC, if we win that one, which right now after last nights debacle seems unlikely but if we can manage to beat BC, who really knows what happens.

Perhaps you can blame ETCH a wee bit, since it's pretty apparent some of the guys on the field shouldn't be on the field. Our guys do seem smaller than other teams defensive players, I like our DB's, they are all very good, I like Turner on the DL but he needs some help, The rest tho? Way too small, they honestly look like smurfs out there compared to other teams. So perhaps you can blame ETCH for the inability to tackle since he apparently likes to go with the smaller quicker guys instead of the normal sized guys who can tackle. See when you think about it, we got 7 DB's on the field, the 4 actual db's, the safety and 2 linebackers in dunn and sherman. I get that most teams like to play a converted DB at one of the linebacking spots but 2? That is an etch problem there for sure.

Paredes also missed 3 fgs so that game last night was closer than it actually should have been.

Gonna guess we beat Edmonton next week. Seems to me after a very crappy performance from the D, they come back strong the next week. Hopefully wild is good to go too, that would help a bit. Doubt we beat Calgary but if Cornish is hurt, Calgary isn't the same.

I don't think i can blame etch for the players on the field completely missing guys when they had the chance to bring the guy down, can blame etch for schemes, for the wacky formations he uses but be pretty difficult to blame him for the inability of our players to tackle last night, there has been 2 games so far where our guys looked like they just totally forgot how to tackle, last night was one of them. That's not on the DC, that's on the players and i'm not a etch fan either. The edmonton game earlier in the season was the other, guess maybe the bright side to that is the week after they played bc in bc and beat them and didn't really miss any tackles. Hopefully history repeats itself next week vs Edmonton.

Tyler has looked good, January has sucked recently, might be bringing greaves down with him a wee bit too, Jones has also looked like crap out there.

Who and to where? Seriously, who wants our garbage. We don't have anything of value to trade and the guys we do have of value, man we shouldn't be trading them. January? be lucky to get a late round pick, the guy sucks. Again, when was the last time something like that happened, trading guys for picks? this isn't the NHL, it's the CFL, this stuff doesn't happen often at all if ever. It's rare for sure. And we don't have guys to trade really, the guys people probably want to trade, we could release an they still wouldn't get picked up.

one word? Kualed. Kuale means you are F**** the second you step on the field.

If heenan makes it to free agency, i say our chances are as good as anyone elses, Perhaps if Wylie is here next season, that plays a factor in guys decision to come here.Wylie has a good reputation, come here to learn under a guy who is very well respected in the football world. Couldn't hurt our chances thats for sure. Holmes too, upgrade on one of the guard positions for sure, Tackle my ass, he's a guard, gotta try for sure.

There are 4 games left, I'm not exactly sure what you expect Walters to be doing right now. Trades? who and to where? who wants our crap really.

Ironically, Heenan, he's good yes but he was the guy that got clean beat by Lemon today on the last play of the game in the rider stamps game, Sunseri sacked on that play cuz Heenan completely whiffed on Lemon. Oh yeah, if heenan makes it to free agency and the bombers manage to sign him, walters should be given a lifetime extension with the team because that would be the biggest i dunno what ever, Sask boy taken 1st overall leaves sask to sign in Winnipeg.

I disagree, the Bombers didn't get 3 pts. from a FG and Ottawa scrimmaged at the 40 and drove the field for a TD. That's a 10 pt. swing....right before the half. I dont think that FG is as automatic as you are suggesting it might be. O'shea on post game show said Lirims range in warm ups that way was at the 40, the ball was at the 40.. it would have been like a 47 48 yarder in to the wind, if he was only hitting them from the 40 in to the wind, i don't think he makes that one. He likely would have missed it, think the wind was more of a factor than it seemed to be on the TV.