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i really don't understand why the PA refuses to let the players vote on the latest proposal. Let them vote, if they are as united as they believe they are, there should be no issues there.

Lots of over reaction here it seems though, i mean just cuz they broke off talks doesnt mean the season will be cancelled. Let's all back away from the ledge a bit here. There is still time and as of right now, the players will be reporting to camp.. to me that says one of 2 things.. 1. the votes they have received, well probably a lot more no's than the PA expected or 2. they are closer than they are leading us to believe.

These threads shouldn't even exist cuz nobody is gonna change anybodies mind about anything on a message board. The fact that this has 4 pages now is amazing when basically its the same people repeating the same stuff over and over again. Oh and btw, just cuz a guy doesnt like gay people, it doesn't mean he's wrong.. it just means his opinion is different. I'm not a fan of people who try to tell me what i think is wrong.. so i can understand where brandon is coming from a bit here.. TUP: you seem to have it in your heard that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong, that is incorrect, all it means is they disagree with you and here in north america, that is allowed. we are all allowed to have different opinions on all these matters. I dont care if someone doesn't like gay people, who cares really. I dont even care if someone doesn't think redskin is a racist name even though the dictionary definition mentions that it is indeed racist, Nobody is changing anybodies opinions. Whats that saying that 17to85 uses? opinions are like assholes? You bet they are.

quite a bit of those idiots on twitter recently it seems, i've yet to come across one that actually knows what they are talking about though. Between this stuff and guys on twitter saying i speak for all fans when i say we are 100 percent behind the players. It makes you wonder if these guys are actually paying attention.

I think optics plays a big role here, lets think about the non hardcore fans who dont post on message boards or dont go on twitter and just basically go by what the papers tell them, if they even care to read those articles. A lockout means, the owners are the bad guys cuz they are locking the players out.. However a strike means the players are the bad guys and the fans will then tend to probably sway their opions (the non hardcore fan, the casual fan, the non message board posting fan, the majority of fans really) towards the side of the owners. If the owners lock them out, the fans opinion probably sways towards the players a bit more.. darn greedy owners locking out the players... but if the players strike... darn greedy players. Nobody wants to lockout the players and i highly doubt the players even want to strike, using striking as a potential threat, well that's not good either is it? I wonder how the players would feel about a strike, screw flory hage and the rest, they arent active players are they? nope they are retired, they really lose nothing. It's the guys who actually arent retired who will lose the most. What will scott flory lose?

smh at that last response for sure. Good god man.

These players need to keep their mouths shut right now... receivers are a dime a dozen, nick moore needs to understand he is very very replaceable. Who the heck was nick moore 3 years ago?

I'm not a big Nick Moore fan and stuff like this is why. He is one of those guys that I'll cheer for on the field but I don't have much use for off of it. It's like he's been diagnosed with Jovon Johnson Syndrome. Couldn't have said it any better. Seems like another keyboard warrior. so not exactly the high character type of player that the team seems to want or need? That can't be good.

ha, they are offering vets 5000$ if they are on the week 1 roster... Let the players vote, what is the PA worried about? they might accept it?

madani needs to be way more balanced in his reporting, he has taken the side of the players and it's obvious.

anyone see the don landry tweet on the side? what the heck is the PRC? "cflpa: we eagerly await the response of the PRC, we hope a deal can be reached today. " Player Relations Commite? Players ******** Cousins? what the heck is PRC. CFL offer now coming out, 5 million cap this year, 50 k increases each year to 5.25 million, raise of the minimum salary to 55 k. That don't seem to bad, not just raise the cap this year to 5.25 million and then go from there with the 50k increases per year and you should have a deal. Then throw the players a bone and offer them 5k signing bonus's on day 1 of the regular season.

5.5 million cap i think gets it done, said that all along too. maybe with 100,000 dollar increments each year of the deal... maybe, im not sold on a 100,000 increase each year though. Cuz at the end the cap would be over 6 and i dont think that will work.

THE pa moving on from revenue sharing is a good sign, maybe not all is lost, very reminiscent here of the last few days of the NHL talks when they came to a deal, bunch of media people going on about how there is no deal and doesn't seem close but then little bits of info like the players in this case backing away from revenue sharing is coming out and it makes you wonder if they are indeed closer than what the media is leading us to believe. Heck, i think even a couple hours b4 the nhl and the pa reached a deal the media guys were like the season will be cancelled. So really... what do they know? lol More than any of us but... probably not as much as they think. TSN ran a story on its website saying talks arent going well and they aren't close, i read it and i guess they based that on jim hopson giving a thumb up and a thumb down. Cuz there were no real facts to support that it wasn't going well.

That one tweet about coaches being paid and the players aren't just shows you how stupid the PA actually is. Coaches aren't part of the CFLPA.

The worst part is the fans seem to want a season to happen more than the people who actually are in charge. Good GOD, both these groups are idiots and morons. Be funny though if the strike vote didn't pass

I agree.. SCREW THEM BOTH.

Don't try to drive a wedge, that's ridiculous. Meet somewhere in the middle and be done with it. A strike hurts the league big time. This won't end well if the CFL tries to bully the PA and vice versa. Just suck it up, get a deal done, 15k per each vet? do it, who cares, you will make 15 k back in 5 minutes of ticket sales really, well no but you get the point.. It wont take long to make that money back. CFL seems to being a little stubborn and pig headed here from the sounds of it, however, you need to remember that it does appear madani is very very PRO PA for some reason so gotta take what he tweets with a bit of a grain of salt.

without knowing all the other details, this doesn't sound like good news at all.

I recall going and seeing hackney.. he did have a big arm but he also had a big gut... didn't seem to be very committed actually is what i remember. Went with a friend and we both were like " that is the guy that played in the NFL". how? he is so fat it's crazy.. dude was as big as some of our oline guys at the time. I was excited when they signed him but after seeing him in person, both me and my friend were like yeah, he's not gonna be here long.

who the heck said any of us did?and the options at the time were katz or judy alphabet (cuz i cant spell her real last name) I didn't even vote last time to be honest, cuz neither of them were what i wanted. You should at least go spoil your ballot. Voting is a habit you should not get out of. Many brave people have fought for my right to vote for Ozzy Osbourne. ha funny. Normally do, just none of them appealed to me so i didn't bother. It is what it is. If i don't agree with either candidate, why would i waste my time spoling a ballot when not voting probably sends a bigger message. Did we not have the lowest voter turnout ever last election? That says something.

You don't think that a lot of scouts and NFL resources who look highly on a player doesn't mean anything? I know some guys slip through the cracks but for the most part anyone with talent is on the NFL radar, cfl radar or even arena football radar. no, it really doesn't mean anything at all, scouts are wrong all the time. This is the CFL, it's not the NFL, NFL experience means nothing.

DB could see a surprise cut too, we have a hell of a lot of rookie DB's. 9 rookie imports, plus guys like Markett, Dunn and a whole bunch of new NI's too. Kent and Hefney cut the last two years in training camp... Speaking of Hefney, any appetiite to bring him back for another look considering the amount of DB rooks we have or has that shipped sailed? that ship sailed a long long long time ago.

I don't think anyone is saying marve is gonna see the field anytime soon, he might tho, he very well could be the 2nd or 3rd and short qb, would that not be seeing the field? is his praise really just based on one day of mini camp or is it based on one day of mini camp plus the florida camp, where from all reports, he was the best of the bunch there? Nobody really knows what's going to happen. I just refuse to accept that NFL pedigree means anything in the CFL.

who the heck said any of us did? and the options at the time were katz or judy alphabet (cuz i cant spell her real last name) I didn't even vote last time to be honest, cuz neither of them were what i wanted.

heard a rumor that it was actually israeli intelligence that picked up on the fact that the plane might have been carrying some suspicious (military based) cargo. I dont know any more though, i really don't have a clue. I generally try to stay away from conspiracy theories too but... the fact that the facts in this story seem to be so just i dunno... not there i guess is the word? just really makes me wonder. The other thing is, apparently a lot of the Chinese passengers on the flight (most of them were indeed Chinese) were part of technology firms too, read something about a microchip being developed by china that is unhackable. I dunno tho, who knows what is true, who knows what isn't.. all i know is there are 239 people missing and it seems that lots of people could care less right now. That's the sad part, 239 human beings are missing or dead or who knows what and facts aren't being reported. The fact that the MS media (mainstream) seems to completely ignore diego garcia as well makes you wonder too. I heard them mention DG once and that was basically to say it was impossible but the one thing we need to remember with the MS media is they are basically telling us what the people in charge want us to believe. Oh and again not into the conspiracy stuff but, this philip wood character.. have you seen any pics of him? you know why i mention this, cuz in every pic, except one, he is wearing the same exact shirt.. That just seems very very odd to me.