Jesse

No one signs a new head coach because their team is already in a great position. You have to believe in yourself that you can get the job done and turn the ship around. Buck watched it happen here and probably believes he can do the same elsewhere. Would make me sick to my stomach to see him in green though.

Like, did you really expect MOS to be the only management person?

He did it. That crazy son of a ***** actually did it.

You could easily make the argument that the only reason we've kept these guys together for so long is because of the cap. Otherwise other franchises could offer a crazy amount to steal guys away. But no one has been able to do that, so for the most part they've stayed.

Despite how terrible the job is, you’re obviously going to be taking over a terrible team when you’re first hired as a HC. This year is slightly different than last years people rejecting the Rider overtures as O’Day has been signed for a three year deal.

Of course not, but any HC candidate will be expected to share who is plans are for filling out his staff, so he would be expected to have those conversations before his interview. You can chose not to believe Dunk, but it’s not inconceivable that Buck has had that conversation with Younger. The Bombers wouldn’t prevent him from leaving for a promotion.

It came from Justin Dunk, originally. Obviously I have always expected Younger to be the heir apparent, but If Hall isn't retiring this year, I don't know why Younger wouldn't take the opportunity to take the promotion. That said, I feel like Buck isn't even O'Days first choice. So we'll see if Buck is even given the choice to accept or refuse.

I agree.

One way or the other, lol. It's not like we'll go into the New Year without one.

We traded for Nichols in 2015 when Willy was injured, but Willy was still our starter in 2016 and was benched for performance after a 1-4 start. Nichols obviously got injured, but I don't think we ever saw Strev as a starter as we were reportedly attempting to trade for Collaros that whole season before the shake-up in Toronto allowed us to get him at the deadline. And we never looked back once he got in. MOS called Zach into his office after the Grey Cup saying, "we need you here"; while we were all still having our Nichols vs Collaros debates. If you consider that we also tried to bring in Darian Durant as a back-up, not to mention trying to sign a young Collaros and an old Henry Burris before settling on Willy, QB is actually a position where this regime has been very proactive; despite message board posters bitching about MOS being loyal to a fault.

That’s not true.

Nope, just seems semi-logical that they will work top down. Bit of a time crunch with the GMs that the player deals don't have.

There could be a grain of truth in that, they may be focused on getting the GMs in place before moving onto any player deals. If Walters comes back, it's probably at the expense of one of the GMs, if he's not, Teddy probably slides into his place. Either way, gotta get everyone settled in their roles before they start working those roles.

Depends on your organizational goals and how you view the rest of the league. Do we think that this team as it’s constructed is still going to challenge for first place over the rest of Collaros’ contract? Is it more important to us to keep the current window open and try to get Grey Cups right now? Or is this roster falling short across the league and we feel that there’s potential to crack open a new window, maybe spend the next season or two reloading and aim for a separate championship window later? Bird in hand vs. two in the bush scenario.

I am in a place and I think the team is still in a place where the proven vet is still worth more than unproven potential. But I 100% understand where you're coming from. And aside from our personal opinions, I also believe there is zero chance the team moves on from Zach, so there's almost no point in even considering that option if we're sitting here trying to figure out what next year's team will look like. Write #8 in pen.

I agree with everything. Love Dru Brown. But I'm still in Zach's corner and will let him lead the team until he chooses to walk away or until the wheels actually start to fall off.

It's funny, because for my entire Blue Bomber fandom, I've always been in favour of the young, up and comer. I'd be searching old scouting reports and stats for Alex Brink and Joey Elliott trying to find ways to convince myself that they could be developed into the guy, or looking at other teams back-ups like a young Collaros or Bo Levi and want us to trade for them. But now that we have the guy that's led us to Grey Cups, I don't want to let him go, even if it means losing the potential. It would have been really nice if this part of Brown's career arc lined up with Zach's eventual retirement, but it didn't. So good luck Dru, maybe we'll see you in FA in two years.

Same thing (but worse) if we lose Collaros and Brown is hot garbage as a starter

FA will come eventually.

I'm sorry. But that's nonsense and not worth talking about.

He was arguing the past. He said 2023 Zach looked like late career BLM/Calvillio (although I don't think Calvillio really ended on a bad note - can't quite remember off hand). BLM is hot garbage. Zach was first or second in the league in every relevant category.

You can't argue that at all with any evidence.

And carrying the 36 year old punter on the roster for most of the season. GCn20 must be right, it must have been their global plan. Need to shore up those global players next season.

Could very well be.

Everyone would love that. But as fans of the CFL, it's so disheartening seeing a guy languishing on a PR or ST role for more money than he'd get in the CFL, but who could have a long, all-star career in the league.