Fatty Liver Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 30 minutes ago, Nash00 said: We are one of the few teams to be able to find and develop a true star calibre QB in recent years. BC - Lulay, Jennings(?) - Lulay's reign was short lived but he had a few great years and a GC ring Calgary - Mitchell - they haven't been hurting at QB since the days of Kevin Feterik Edmonton - Reilly - Maybe credit for him can go to BC but he only really hit his stride once he signed in Edmonton. Sask - Durant - solid QB with GC ring Toronto - Collaros, Harris - Only reason one of these guys isn't in Toronto is they had great stability at the position which allowed them time to develop Hamilton - one of the only ones with a similar issue at QB development as we do but with the luxury of having one of the best at the position playing for them currently. Montreal - surprising how they had no one really develop behind Calvillo despite having Milanovich there for many years. Ottawa- only in year 3 so not really a whole lot of precedent here but maybe Jensen in a few years? We are the only team in the league with consistent turnover at the position since Glenn left. Someone should start a QB jersey similar to the one that the Browns have, I imagine it would look very similar. Developing a QB starts in the scouting dept. Mack and his predecessors did not have the knack for identifying QB talent and Walters has yet to prove that he does either.
Nash00 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Judd said: I have NO problem with NOT "developing" our own qb. Many of the starters in the league started off somewhere else and gained an opportunity when they've proven themselves. But my god it's getting ridiculous already. If Nichols doesn't bring us to the promised land this year I see no way he could in the future. This defence isn't going to last years and field-goaling everyone to death isn't a recipe for success. I don't have a problem with it either, so long as we can procure someone else's QB. Problem is, relying on other teams to scout and develop players for you will come back to bite you when that well dries up and you're left with what you brought in. Edited September 16, 2016 by Nash00 Porblem isn't a word
bearpants Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 25 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: Developing a QB starts in the scouting dept. Mack and his predecessors did not have the knack for identifying QB talent and Walters has yet to prove that he does either. I think this year we're finally starting to see our scouting network develop... it takes time to establish yourself in the scouting game... hopefully our guys have enough contacts that we will start to uncover some Hufnagel/Barker/Buono-esque gems in the coming years... LimJahey 1
LimJahey Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 9 minutes ago, bearpants said: I think this year we're finally starting to see our scouting network develop... it takes time to establish yourself in the scouting game... hopefully our guys have enough contacts that we will start to uncover some Hufnagel/Barker/Buono-esque gems in the coming years... Definitely agree, it will also help if we can hold on to some of these guys so we're not constantly trying to rebuild an entire roster in one off-season. Chances are in future seasons we will be able to sign americans/ draft canadians and stash them on the PR who are hidden gems since they won't have to be rushed. IMO Walters is doing a masterful job of recruiting and drafting.
Tracker Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, LimJahey said: Definitely agree, it will also help if we can hold on to some of these guys so we're not constantly trying to rebuild an entire roster in one off-season. Chances are in future seasons we will be able to sign americans/ draft canadians and stash them on the PR who are hidden gems since they won't have to be rushed. IMO Walters is doing a masterful job of recruiting and drafting. So far promising quarterbacks are noticeably scarce.
Fatty Liver Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, tracker said: So far promising quarterbacks are noticeably scarce. Bennett is test case #1.
LimJahey Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 What's wrong with Bennett and Davis? Theyre as promising as any QB prospects we've ever had here.
17to85 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 50 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: Developing a QB starts in the scouting dept. Mack and his predecessors did not have the knack for identifying QB talent and Walters has yet to prove that he does either. I still say Mack could find talented players, where he sucked was finding the right coaches. Lapo wanted robots who never took chances and Burke wanted guys to go under the bus. With all the turmoil surrounding that team I don't think anyone at the qb position really got a fair shake.
Jpan85 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 They have a really good one on the neg lost in Brandon Doughty but I don't know when or if he ever makes it up here.
Atomic Posted September 16, 2016 Author Report Posted September 16, 2016 35 minutes ago, 17to85 said: I still say Mack could find talented players, where he sucked was finding the right coaches. Lapo wanted robots who never took chances and Burke wanted guys to go under the bus. With all the turmoil surrounding that team I don't think anyone at the qb position really got a fair shake. True to a point.... 2010-11 the team looked okay but Mack kinda gave up in 2012 and the group of players in camp in 2013 was the worst I've ever seen. blitzmore 1
Atomic Posted September 16, 2016 Author Report Posted September 16, 2016 39 minutes ago, LimJahey said: What's wrong with Bennett and Davis? Theyre as promising as any QB prospects we've ever had here. Ya I don't know why anyone would write them off at this point... No idea what we have in those two guys. In 2012, Bo Levi Mitchell's stats were 12/21 for 168 yards, 2 TD and 2 INT. Even the best need some time on the bench at the beginning of their careers.
Bomber_fanaddict Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Nash00 said: We are one of the few teams to be able to find and develop a true star calibre QB in recent years. BC - Lulay, Jennings(?) - Lulay's reign was short lived but he had a few great years and a GC ring Calgary - Mitchell - they haven't been hurting at QB since the days of Kevin Feterik Edmonton - Reilly - Maybe credit for him can go to BC but he only really hit his stride once he signed in Edmonton. Sask - Durant - solid QB with GC ring Toronto - Collaros, Harris - Only reason one of these guys isn't in Toronto is they had great stability at the position which allowed them time to develop Hamilton - one of the only ones with a similar issue at QB development as we do but with the luxury of having one of the best at the position playing for them currently. Montreal - surprising how they had no one really develop behind Calvillo despite having Milanovich there for many years. Ottawa- only in year 3 so not really a whole lot of precedent here but maybe Jensen in a few years?We are the only team in the league with consistent turnover at the position since Glenn left. Someone should start a QB jersey similar to the one that the Browns have, I imagine it would look very similar. Funny you mention this. I started doing it. I am starting with a Glenn Jersey from 2009 and was going to run down the starting QBs since then and get all the way back to Glenn (not that I hope that Happens but would look pretty funny). I remember back in 2012 Weiciek saying that we had something glike 24 starting QBs since Glenn but I can't fins that list anywhere. Anyone know where I can find it or have a good list of all the QBs since Kelly released Glenn?
Nash00 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Bomber_fanaddict said: Funny you mention this. I started doing it. I am starting with a Glenn Jersey from 2009 and was going to run down the starting QBs since then and get all the way back to Glenn (not that I hope that Happens but would look pretty funny). I remember back in 2012 Weiciek saying that we had something glike 24 starting QBs since Glenn but I can't fins that list anywhere. Anyone know where I can find it or have a good list of all the QBs since Kelly released Glenn? Off the top of my head: Lefors Bishop Randall R. Williams Pierce Jyles Brink Elliott Goltz Hall Boltus Willy Brohm Davis Nichols
voodoochylde Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 QBs that have come through Winnipeg since 2009 .. quick list .. might be missing one or two. Stefan Lefors Bryan Randall Richie Williams Michael Bishop Casey Bramlet Adam DiMichele (PR) Ricky Santos Zac Champion Joey Elliot Justin Goltz Alex Brink Buck Pierce Brandon Summers (PR) Steven Jyles RJ Archer Max Hall Jason Boltus Levi Brown (PR) Drew Willy Robert Marve Matt Nichols Dom Davis Bryan Bennett Brian Brohm Bomber_fanaddict 1
holoman Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) 2009- Lefors, Bishop, Williams, Bramlet, Randall, 2010- Pierce, Jyles, Brink, Elliott 2011 Pierce, Elliott, Brink, Goltz 2012- Pierce, Brink, Elliott, 2013 Pierce, Goltz, Hall Boltus 2014 Willy, Marve, Brohm 2015 Willy Marve brohm, Nichols, Davis 2016 Willy Nichols Didn't use wikipedia, so there may be a name or 2 missing Edit- Only entered guys who took a useful snap or two Edited September 16, 2016 by holoman
Atomic Posted September 16, 2016 Author Report Posted September 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, MOBomberFan said: Marvelous Marve! OK you asked for it MOBomberFan 1
Bomber_fanaddict Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, voodoochylde said: QBs that have come through Winnipeg since 2009 .. quick list .. might be missing one or two. Stefan Lefors* Bryan Randall* Richie Williams Michael Bishop* Casey Bramlet Adam DiMichele (PR) Ricky Santos Zac Champion* Joey Elliot* Justin Goltz* Alex Brink* Buck Pierce* Brandon Summers (PR) Steven Jyles* RJ Archer Max Hall* Jason Boltus* Levi Brown (PR) Drew Willy* Robert Marve* Matt Nichols* Dom Davis Bryan Bennett Brian Brohm* Thanks!! I have stared the ones I can remember who actually started in a game. Let me know if I missed any or wrong on any lol.
Bomber_fanaddict Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said: Tajh Boyd Ah the one month wonder
wbbfan Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 41 minutes ago, voodoochylde said: QBs that have come through Winnipeg since 2009 .. quick list .. might be missing one or two. Stefan Lefors Bryan Randall Richie Williams Michael Bishop Casey Bramlet Adam DiMichele (PR) Ricky Santos Zac Champion Joey Elliot Justin Goltz Alex Brink Buck Pierce Brandon Summers (PR) Steven Jyles RJ Archer Max Hall Jason Boltus Levi Brown (PR) Drew Willy Robert Marve Matt Nichols Dom Davis Bryan Bennett Brian Brohm thats probably 1 or 2 more then montreal brought into TC this year LOL.
voodoochylde Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 Just now, wbbfan said: thats probably 1 or 2 more then montreal brought into TC this year LOL. And still half as many as what were on the Rider's PR this year. Heh.
Atomic Posted September 16, 2016 Author Report Posted September 16, 2016 Don't forget Adam Froman, the sausage king of Chicago
17to85 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 You get 3 different GMs in that time you're going to get a lot of qbs. They all want to bring in their own guys. Especially considering that Kelly left em with absolute nothing at the position. Montreal is quickly catching up ever since Calvillo retired though.
Nash00 Posted September 16, 2016 Report Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, holoman said: 2009- Lefors, Bishop, Williams, Bramlet, Randall, 2010- Pierce, Jyles, Brink, Elliott 2011 Pierce, Elliott, Brink, Goltz 2012- Pierce, Brink, Elliott, 2013 Pierce, Goltz, Hall Boltus 2014 Willy, Marve, Brohm 2015 Willy Marve brohm, Nichols, Davis 2016 Willy Nichols Didn't use wikipedia, so there may be a name or 2 missing Edit- Only entered guys who took a useful snap or two I would beg you to define how any snaps Jason Boltus took were "useful" lol. holoman and Tracker 2
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