do or die Posted March 30, 2017 Report Posted March 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, do or die said: Yup, watched that same Homeland episode. Which got me to thinking..... For all the stuff about Trump being unpredictable or not knowing what he is doing ...... a far bigger spotlight needs to be put on the actual man with a actual plan.... Steve Bannon "Organized chaos" Major dismantling of the administrative structures within the US, discrediting the mainstream media and the judiciary, and destabilizing relations with long time allies. Jingoistic and isolationist white nationalism, that uses the themes of hatred, fear, bigotry, and the byline of Aryan supremacy to divide the country, while misleading and "re-educating" the masses. Muslims, immigrants of any sort, educational and perceived social "elites" and "Leftists" (broad brushed as Socialists, Communists, criminals and traitors). Repeating the big lie (or in this case, the multiple lies) over and over again to embed them into the daily narrative/reality. Even a cursory glance at the comments/discussion pages of sites like Brietbart, Fox, and some of the Drudge network, will tell you just how well this approach is actually working Getting big "government" out of the lives of Americans - to be replaced, of course.....with more intrusion of big business and corporate entities. As example, Americans can now kiss any vestige of their Internet privacy.... goodbye. After only 67 days of this administration.....does any of this look and sound familiar? Gives one the creeps... Trump is basically the flim flamming, carny barker, front man all of for this. The Don is simply happy enough to have the prestige, massive attention and ego stroking 24/7....and of course, to continue to further feather the nest, big time - for both himself and his family. He can pull the ripcord at anytime, have somebody write him some more books, and cook up some more "reality" TV. For the people that complain that Trump has no principles.....he does actually have ONE. His own self-interest. Remarkable that in the myriad list of "enemies", I have traced above - the Russians in general and Putin in particular are nowhere to be seen, Or perhaps not that remarkable. 7 minutes ago, do or die said: ps - the surest way to get to the bottom of the "relationship" with the Russians is to simply follow the money. This applies to Trump, his family, and his advisors
SpeedFlex27 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Posted March 30, 2017 You sure get the impression the Republicans are a bunch of crooks. Especially this Nunes guy. Of course, everyone with ties to the Trump White House.
johnzo Posted March 30, 2017 Report Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) Everyone reporting that Mike Flynn will testify in exchange for immunity from prosecution. If I weren't on my phone I would post a George Takei "oh my!" gif here. Edited March 30, 2017 by johnzo The Unknown Poster 1
The Unknown Poster Posted March 30, 2017 Report Posted March 30, 2017 Yup you don't demand immunity unless you need it. And you don't get it unless you have something even better to offer. If Flynn says he made offers at Trumps behest or even just knowledge, you can start writing "impeachment" now.
do or die Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) You ask for immunity when you can get yourself off the hook, by passing it up the line. Flynn was sitting at a table reading or listening to something that is going to deep six him. At least this time he wasn't shouting from the campaign stage about locking people up..... Edited March 31, 2017 by do or die
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Jacquie Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 7 hours ago, do or die said: You ask for immunity when you can get yourself off the hook, by passing it up the line. Flynn was sitting at a table reading or listening to something that is going to deep six him. At least this time he wasn't shouting from the campaign stage about locking people up..... TUP is right. According to Flynn himself asking for immunity means you probably committed a crime.
Mark F Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Good thing you can get groceries delivered in the US.... Flynn won't be leaving home much now. Going to have to get plastic surgery and go into witness protection. Move to Venezuela. Trump's Lesson: don't publicly spit in the face of the intelligence and police services. Tin hat on now: look for a distraction for us..... some kind of terror attack. Imagine the consequences if it comes out that Russia interfered with US election, and conspired with a candidate for President? war drums will be pounding Edited March 31, 2017 by Mark F
The Unknown Poster Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 Going public probably affords him the best chance at survival. Had he quietly slipped away he'd end up dead on a perfectly reasonable "accident". Too much light on him now. It could start the ball rolling of others coming forward. Do they want to put Manafort away or can he be swayed to turn on Trump?
HardCoreBlue Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Going public probably affords him the best chance at survival. Had he quietly slipped away he'd end up dead on a perfectly reasonable "accident". Too much light on him now. It could start the ball rolling of others coming forward. Do they want to put Manafort away or can he be swayed to turn on Trump? Or, as his lawyer is a bit implying, he comes out guns ablazing, defending Trump and himself, lies threw his teeth but has immunity from prosecution . . .
The Unknown Poster Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 24 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said: Or, as his lawyer is a bit implying, he comes out guns ablazing, defending Trump and himself, lies threw his teeth but has immunity from prosecution . . . That would be a pretty lousy prosecutor. I would think they don't just grant immunity without an idea as to what they're getting in return. They don't have to grant it at all. They could make him testify and potentially prosecute him regardless. Plus waiting risks someone else taking immunity before you can. This makes it clear why the admin was lying about Flynn and Manaforts roles a couple weeks ago. They suspected this was potentially coming. Now the back channel solution is to lean on Flynn to take a bullet for Trump and get pardoned down the road.
The Unknown Poster Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 I wasn't sure what all this was about until I googled it but it sure is weird Pence won't have a one on one meal with a woman other then his wife https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/31/mike-pence-doesnt-eat-alone-women-speaks-volumes
JCon Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: That would be a pretty lousy prosecutor. I would think they don't just grant immunity without an idea as to what they're getting in return. They don't have to grant it at all. They could make him testify and potentially prosecute him regardless. Plus waiting risks someone else taking immunity before you can. This makes it clear why the admin was lying about Flynn and Manaforts roles a couple weeks ago. They suspected this was potentially coming. Now the back channel solution is to lean on Flynn to take a bullet for Trump and get pardoned down the road. They can't compel him to implicate himself in a crime though. He could do time for hindering prosecution and get a pardon right before Trump is impeached. POTUS pardons are binding and cannot be reversed.
Mark F Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Now I'm thinking this is just another big helping of B.S. served by Trump to befuddle everyone. Edited March 31, 2017 by Mark F
The Unknown Poster Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 49 minutes ago, JCon said: They can't compel him to implicate himself in a crime though. He could do time for hindering prosecution and get a pardon right before Trump is impeached. POTUS pardons are binding and cannot be reversed. Yes he could take the 5th. But that alone is fairly damning. I mean, did you meet with Russian officials at this specific time? "I plead the 5th". Did Trump know about it? "I plead the 5th". That doesnt play well. Trump pardoning...I strongly suspect it happens eventually. He wont care how bad it looks. Better question, will Pence pardon Trump? It will sink Pence on re-election.
do or die Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 If it is not BS, some of this will revolve around the Obama Sanctions against Russians. The rest would be around Trump and company - and their financial links and relations with Putin stooges and banks that laundered money for the Russians. (one in Russia and one in Germany) You had Flynn being paid to celebrate a major Putin propaganda tool, then having conversations, where he first lied about them, and after ...couldn't quite remember if sanctions were discussed. Sessions had some friendly chats with the Russian Ambassador, about something or...... other that he lied about. Carter Page ran to Russia, in the middle of a election campaign, and had multiple conversations (according to FBI) with shady bankers and politicians Son-in law Jarred had contact with a known money laundering Russian bank. Manifort had to bail from his position - because of rumblings from the Justice Dept. about his running around with Russians Political leverage (sanctions) and the money trail. Also interesting to speculate who would "profit" from the sanctions being lifted.
HardCoreBlue Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 6 hours ago, Mark F said: Good thing you can get groceries delivered in the US.... Flynn won't be leaving home much now. Going to have to get plastic surgery and go into witness protection. Move to Venezuela. Trump's Lesson: don't publicly spit in the face of the intelligence and police services. Tin hat on now: look for a distraction for us..... some kind of terror attack. Imagine the consequences if it comes out that Russia interfered with US election, and conspired with a candidate for President? war drums will be pounding I so hope your tin foil isn't working, I really do. At this point, I have a feeling this is nowhere near the stage of impeach proceedings. If one thing this administration (like previous administrations but way off the wall different and impactful) are experts at and I mean experts, is the constant barrage of distractions (hey what's that over there) and befuddlement (Ideology over fact to borrow Ted Koppel's argument). This current administration has caused a lot of people from different walks of life, especially in the media, to have this incredulous exhausted look of bewilderment on their faces (i.e., jaw drop) while laughing nervously. And laughing not because it's funny. I would think for a great many of us around the world, regardless of our beliefs, regardless of our ideologies, regardless of our experiences and opinions, just want all of this to go away, no? Mark F 1
do or die Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 In the early days of this administration, I refereed to it here, as simply a crapfest. Upon reflection....I might of understated the matter.
JCon Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 18 minutes ago, do or die said: In the early days of this administration, I refereed to it here, as simply a crapfest. Upon reflection....I might of understated the matter. Question... Are we now in the late days of this administration?! (Kind of feels like it, eh?)
do or die Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, JCon said: Question... Are we now in the late days of this administration?! Couldn't be soon enough.
Mark F Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, do or die said: If it is not BS, I should have been clearer, I meant the Flynn offer to testify in exchange for immunity. I'm starting to think that this Flynn immunity/testimony thing is just another load of mud thrown on the windshield by Trump and Bannon and friends. In their warped world view, a refusal to accept the offer, will prove to them and the twelve people left that like Trump, that Trump has done nothing wrong. I think next time the Republicans should nominate Charlie Sheen for President. Edited March 31, 2017 by Mark F
SpeedFlex27 Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 8 hours ago, Mark F said: Good thing you can get groceries delivered in the US.... Flynn won't be leaving home much now. Going to have to get plastic surgery and go into witness protection. Move to Venezuela. Trump's Lesson: don't publicly spit in the face of the intelligence and police services. Tin hat on now: look for a distraction for us..... some kind of terror attack. Imagine the consequences if it comes out that Russia interfered with US election, and conspired with a candidate for President? war drums will be pounding Trump's base will say So what?
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