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do or die
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At this point, in trying to get any kind of a "win" the Republican "leadership"  Trump, Pence, O'Connell along with the ole Tea baggers like Rand Paul.....are pretty busy at work.   Belittling, t

Mark F
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"I worked 4 months in New York (medicine hat)  in a lab (strip club) and we were forbidden to share anything to media (hookers)and weren't allowed to speak with non-family  (johns)  about the  sc

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Unfortunate about the suicide. We do though need a lot more of this declining hush money to expose bad behaviours. Makes no difference to me who these people who do bad things support politi

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1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

It's odd. This thread is pretty much an echo chamber. Almost all posters on this thread agree- very little discussion.

Then I think of any positives about this administration and I really can't find any... there are no policies that I agree with... That and the POTUS is human garbage.  No matter how hard I try, I can't find anything with this administration that I can agree with. It's crazy.

Its true, it IS mostly an echo chamber.  But I look at it like this, if there was a thread about the KKK it would surely be an echo chamber.  Not many people would post "Come on guys, they contribute to the cotton industry, stop being haters".   I was a W. fan so I engaged in my fair share of disagreements and thats cool.  Most people that pop in here and complain about it are Trump supporters and the idea of a racist, incompetence criminal who conspired to steal the election is perfectly okay with them.  So what discussion can you really have when they dont believe those things are wrong?

I recently asked the question about impeachment and if the paying off of women rises to that level.  To me you can have a nuanced discussion about that.  Sure, some will say YES LOCK HIM UP over jaywalking but if we have a real discussion about the sanctity of the office of President and the very serious nature of impeachment, it wont be an echo chamber, I dont think.  People who agree Trump is awful might not agree with impeachment on the available evidence.

1 hour ago, do or die said:

I think that the Dems need new blood up top, and lack a coherent and consistent message.   

Sorry Donald, that is the level and utmost best I can do for you.

I think Bernie needs to stop being critical of Dems.  In fact, all Dems need to stop criticizing each other.  They need a plan and they need to make sacrifices to that end.  Attacking Nancy Pelosi is a good example.  You dont have to like her.  But she makes Trump shake in his boots.  She's a great Speaker of the House.  

For 2020...some of these "young" candidates...you have to be able to win the general election, not just the primaries.  You cant be a cool young future face of the Dems, you have to be able to beat a very committed GOP that will play very dirty (and over come Russian interference).  My friend think Elizabeth Warren will be Dems candidate.  I dont know...

I like Kimala Harris personally but havent given much thought to it to be honest.  Im usually right leaning so to cheer for Dems is a different experience lol

do or die Grand Master

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Problem is.....if the Dems run any of the ole guard - Sanders, Clinton, or Biden, next time........they are dead in the water.   Fresh face not only desirable but pretty necessary, at this point.   Some one who cannot be accused of being part of any swamp- right or left,  on the Hill.

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Maybe Beto but the experience factor.  They have to have a plan.  It could be Beto or someone else "fresh" and choose an experienced VP.  I dont mind Biden as much as I thought I would.  He seems like a genuinely nice guy and obviously very experienced.  

But I'd prefer people like him and Bernie settle into their roles as elder statesmen of the party and support the future while endorsing them.  Bernie has a lot of followers but Bernie is never going to be President.  Dont keep those followers from supporting the right person.  They should decide early on the front runners, run a clean primary race and vow complete support for whomever is nominated.

do or die Grand Master

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3 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Maybe Beto but the experience factor.  They have to have a plan.  It could be Beto or someone else "fresh" and choose an experienced VP.  I dont mind Biden as much as I thought I would.  He seems like a genuinely nice guy and obviously very experienced.  

But I'd prefer people like him and Bernie settle into their roles as elder statesmen of the party and support the future while endorsing them.  Bernie has a lot of followers but Bernie is never going to be President.  Dont keep those followers from supporting the right person.  They should decide early on the front runners, run a clean primary race and vow complete support for whomever is nominated.

As far as a national race, Bernie is the left wing version of Ross Perot.  Agree that Biden would work in the VP slot.  But all the oars must pull together.   A coherent narrative, other than Trump, Trump, will help

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19 minutes ago, do or die said:

Problem is.....if the Dems run any of the ole guard - Sanders, Clinton, or Biden, next time........they are dead in the water.   Fresh face not only desirable but pretty necessary, at this point.   Some one who cannot be accused of being part of any swamp- right or left,  on the Hill.

Biden would win.  Everyone loves Joe.

14 minutes ago, bustamente said:

Beto O'Rourke, the guy has it, he seems down to earth, and more importantly people like to give him money.

Looks like Robert Kennedy.

How bout that New Orleans ex(?) mayor.

 

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3 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Also FWIW I dont think Trump is running again.

 

One wild theory is that Trump knows he's going to jail the second he's no longer President and will do everything he can to avoid that happening.  which means running again and doing anything to win.  If he lost a close election, would he accept the results?  Would he be as gracious in defeat as Clinton and Obama were?

Would he announce the results are invalidated and he's launching an investigation and suspending all elections until further notice?  Would he demand his supporters rise up in revolution (as some right wing nuts call this presidency) to prevent him from being removed?

I mean...I asked this before but honestly, imagine a close loss for Trump with lots of reports of screwy ballots and interference.  Forget that those things likely happened in support of Trump...but they happen and he loses a close one...and he says, this election is not valid.  We must investigate.  And then does nothing.

How do you make him leave?  Will the Congress and Military turn on him and have the Secret Service remove him from the White House?  Its insane...or is it?

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Man...Trump must be seething today.  Cohen promises to reveal all about Trump which confirms he he told a lot more to the SDNY and Mueller than just about paying off women.  AMI and David Pecker are cooperating.  That confirms Cohen's allegations against Trump so you have multiple witnesses pointing the finger at Trump in the campaign finance violations (felonies).

And whatever else AMI knows (and we know they know a lot because we heard the tape of Cohen and Trump talking about securing the info in case something happened to Pecker), they are passing on.

So the strategy here is, a little bit new, a little tightening of the noose every week (or day) coming out, building momentum of misconduct against Trump.  This is happening a time the Dems are about to take control of the House and all the power that comes with it.  You've got the Prosecutor in NY openly saying they're going after Trump.

Its almost like this was planned.  Will Trump even be President six months from now?

do or die Grand Master

do or die

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Looking at the Southern District release:

Michael Cohen Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison

U.S. Attorney’s Office Also Announces Non-Prosecution Agreement with American Media, Inc., Related to Its Payment of $150,000 to a Woman to Influence 2016 Presidential Election

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-sentenced-3-years-prison

Couple of excerpts kinda of jump out here:

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COHEN was reimbursed for the latter payment in monthly instalments disguised as payments for legal services performed pursuant to a retainer, when in fact no such retainer existed.  COHEN made or caused both of these payments in order to influence the 2016 election and did so in coordination with one or more members of the campaign.

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AMI admitted that it made the $150,000 payment in concert with a candidate’s presidential campaign, and in order to ensure that the woman did not publicize damaging allegations about the candidate before the 2016 presidential election.  AMI further admitted that its principal purpose in making the payment was to suppress the woman’s story so as to prevent it from influencing the election. 

 

TrueBlue4ever Grand Master

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The weird thing to me is that Trump would even bury this story in the first place. I mean I get that he pays people off all the time, just look at his lawsuit history. But was he really that worried about a porn star leaking info about an affair that would derail his presidential campaign? If he was a normal politician, of course I could see it, but here’s a guy who, among many other things

- called Mexicans rapists

- mocked a reporter’s physical disability on camera 

- insulted a sitting US senator/war hero because he was a POW

- mocked a Gold Star family

- engaged in a racist smear campaign against a sitting President

- ran a fraudulent “University” and charitable organization that were both fronts for personal financial gain

- rather openly implied he’d like to date/sleep with his own daughter

- admitted that he used his status as head of the Miss America pageant to walk into the dressing room to check out the naked contestants 

- bragged about grabbing women by their genitals “because when you are rich, you can get away with anything”

all of this before he became President, and all very publicly and in most cases right out of his own mouth. So why fear the porn star coming forward?  This is right in his wheel house to brag about, if anything. Would this revelation really be any more damaging than all of that other stuff?

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4 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

The weird thing to me is that Trump would even bury this story in the first place. I mean I get that he pays people off all the time, just look at his lawsuit history. But was he really that worried about a porn star leaking info about an affair that would derail his presidential campaign? If he was a normal politician, of course I could see it, but here’s a guy who, among many other things

- called Mexicans rapists

- mocked a reporter’s physical disability on camera 

- insulted a sitting US senator/war hero because he was a POW

- mocked a Gold Star family

- engaged in a racist smear campaign against a sitting President

- ran a fraudulent “University” and charitable organization that were both fronts for personal financial gain

- rather openly implied he’d like to date/sleep with his own daughter

- admitted that he used his status as head of the Miss America pageant to walk into the dressing room to check out the naked contestants 

- bragged about grabbing women by their genitals “because when you are rich, you can get away with anything”

all of this before he became President, and all very publicly and in most cases right out of his own mouth. So why fear the porn star coming forward?  This is right in his wheel house to brag about, if anything. Would this revelation really be any more damaging than all of that other stuff?

At the time yes he was worried.  He was playing to the racist base but sexual impropriety was still a no-no. 

Remener when the ***** tape came out? The only trump ever apologized for anything.  They all thought he was finished.   

His problem now isn’t people knowing he cheats on his wife. He probably likes that. It’s that they were crimes and he’s lied repeatedly. 

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