US Politics

[The Unknown Poster]

3 hours ago, bustamente said:

Bugged eye fool Giuliani says they have a 35 or so page counter point to the Mueller report, just exactly how does he know what to counter without seeing the report.

And how does one have a counter report for a report that totally exonerates you? 

[The Unknown Poster]

2 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

It's like no one here has ever watched CNN or MSNBC.  Democrats are just as good at the false equivalency thing.  And just out-right lying.  Republicans don't have a monopoly on straw-grasping at all.  

Are you still in love with Trump and playing the whataboutism game?  Like really?

you completely lost any moral ground to complain about how the Dems react to their own when you blindly support this president. You just have. Sorry dude. 

[The Unknown Poster]

 

[pigseye]

6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

 

So the majority, Democrats, want another investigation, what a surprise! 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 minute ago, pigseye said:

So the majority, Democrats, want another investigation, what a surprise! 

Isn't that the job of Congress? Oversight?

[JCon]

Just now, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Isn't that the job of Congress? Oversight?

According to Trumpkins, no. Trumpkins love their ruler. 

[The Unknown Poster]

9 minutes ago, pigseye said:

So the majority, Democrats, want another investigation, what a surprise! 

A trump defender wants his guy to get away with it. What a surprise. At the same time wanting investigations into everything from Hilary to mueller to Obama. 

[pigseye]

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

A trump defender wants his guy to get away with it. What a surprise. At the same time wanting investigations into everything from Hilary to mueller to Obama. 

If you put anti-trust law violations and impeaching federal judges in the same category as mud slinging then I can't help you. 

[17to85]

3 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

Those still defending Ilhan Omar's blatant anti-Semitism may want to take a page from Bernie Sanders...

For Democrats, Ilhan Omar Is a Complicated Figure to Defend

WASHINGTON — When President Trump tweeted an edited video portraying Representative Ilhan Omar as playing down the 9/11 attacks, it took less than three hours for Senator Bernie Sanders to rush to her defense and declare her “a leader with strength and courage.” But when a Fox News anchor described Mr. Sanders on Monday night as “a staunch supporter” of Ms. Omar, the senator balked.

“Hold it, hold it, hold it,” Mr. Sanders insisted. “I’ve talked to Ilhan about twice in my life.”

His reaction reflects the broader Democratic Party’s conflicted embrace of Ms. Omar. That struggle has especially been apparent in the House, where Jewish Democrats have tangled with Ms. Omar and Democratic leaders have grappled with how to handle the freshman Democrat from Minnesota, who is one of the first two Muslim women elected to Congress.

When Ms. Omar, 36, pushed for a House rules change to permit her to wear her hijab on the House floor, she was heralded as a powerful symbol of the Democratic Party’s inclusiveness. But her support of the boycott Israel movement and her attacks on supporters of Israel have made her a complicated figure to defend. Democratic leaders, as well as many in the rank and file, are choosing their words with caution.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi denounced the president for invoking the “painful images of 9/11 for a political attack” without mentioning Ms. Omar, and waited until Sunday — two days after Mr. Trump’s tweet — to issue a statement saying she had asked the Capitol Police to assess the congresswoman’s safety. Representative Steny H. Hoyer, the House Democratic leader, waited three days before calling on the president to apologize to Ms. Omar.

“They put us in photos when they want to show our party is diverse,” Representative Rashida Tlaib, Democrat of Michigan and the only other Muslim woman in Congress, wrote on Twitter, responding to someone who complained about Ms. Omar’s “lack of support” from the Democratic leadership. “However, when we ask to be at the table, or speak up about issues that impact who we are, what we fight for & why we ran in the first place, we are ignored. To truly honor our diversity is to never silence us.”

In many respects, Ms. Omar, a Somali refugee whose family received asylum in the United States when she was a teenager, represents a new direction for the Democratic Party. Her allies on the left argue that Mr. Trump’s war with Ms. Omar is a defining issue for the party.

But centrist Democrats have a more complex relationship with Ms. Omar. Her leftist brand of politics does not go over well in the swing districts that delivered Democrats the House majority. Her views on Israel make many Jews — an important component of the Democratic base — deeply uneasy. And her insinuations that American policy toward the Jewish state is driven by money — “It’s all about the Benjamins baby,” she wrote on Twitter — have drawn charges of anti-Semitism, prompting her to apologize.

Democratic presidential candidates have had their own complicated reactions. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, Democrat of New York, has cast herself as a progressive on the campaign trail. But she qualified her support for Ms. Omar, by saying, “As a senator who represents 9/11 victims, I can’t accept any minimizing of that pain.”

Even Mr. Sanders, who hails from the same liberal wing of the party as Ms. Omar — and would be the country’s first Jewish president if elected — offered a mixed response. Speaking at a town hall-style meeting televised by the Fox News Channel on Monday night, he said he respected Ms. Omar. And while he said he does not believe she is anti-Semitic, he added, “I think Ilhan has got to do a better job in speaking to the Jewish community.”

Ms. Omar’s supporters say there is a danger to the Democratic split.

“Some of these institutional Democratic leaders can’t find, frankly, the spine to speak up quickly and strongly in defense of one of their colleagues,” said Zahra Billoo, a spokeswoman for CAIR. “If we don’t find alignment soon, knowing that Donald Trump is already passing Democratic candidates in his own fund-raising, I worry that we are looking at a second term because the leaders of our party did not do the right thing.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/ilhan-omar-democrats.html

So where in this piece is the antisemitism?

[The Unknown Poster]

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

If you put anti-trust law violations and impeaching federal judges in the same category as mud slinging then I can't help you. 

If you think a criminal president hiding his crimes, being lawfully investigated by the majority that was voted into office is mdd slinging, you're not even trying.  What is it about Trump that you love so much, seriously?  

[The Unknown Poster]

53 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So where in this piece is the antisemitism?

I was out with a close friend who is Jewish last night and asked him about this.  He said that far too often, any criticism of Israel is seen as anti-semitic and that a lot of Jews have issues with how Israel acts.  Lets be honest, its not like these people in this thread give two craps about Jews.  They, like the GOP, use it as a weapon.  Its gross but transparent.

And frankly, I don't agree with everything the Dem said.  But when you have the other side hypocritically overzealously attacking, what can you do but shrug?  If they judged their own members with the same standards, look out.  But they don't.  

[pigseye]

9 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

If you think a criminal president hiding his crimes, being lawfully investigated by the majority that was voted into office is mdd slinging, you're not even trying.  What is it about Trump that you love so much, seriously?  

Yeah, yeah, we've been hearing this for 3 years now, Trump will be dead buried before the Dems ever dig up anything they can charge him with, move on already it's getting really old. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 minute ago, pigseye said:

Yeah, yeah, we've been hearing this for 3 years now, Trump will be dead buried before the Dems ever dig up anything they can charge him with, move on already it's getting really old. 

So... don't hold him to account then?

Congress stop doing their job of oversight?

because it's getting old?

 

Interesting angle.

[The Unknown Poster]

5 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Yeah, yeah, we've been hearing this for 3 years now, Trump will be dead buried before the Dems ever dig up anything they can charge him with, move on already it's getting really old. 

Well you have now completely exposed yourself.  You're saying it literally doesn't matter what Trump has done, or what he does.  It doesn't matter that he is a racist.  It doesn't matter that he is a moron. It doesn't matter that he's an unindicted co-conspirator.  Up until the moment he is in cuffs, to you nothing else matters.  There can really be only one reason why someone would so blindly and fully embrace a racist piece of crap who has at least 20 sexual assault/harrassment allegations among other crimes...you can wear that proudly.  But there is no reason for you to continue posting here now that you've been laid bare.

Thanks! 

[The Unknown Poster]

4 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

So... don't hold him to account then?

Congress stop doing their job of oversight?

because it's getting old?

 

Interesting angle.

The best part is using "charges" as the standard when the DOJ has already ruled he would not be charged under any circumstances.  lol.  These fake conservatives hiding their true nature...it gets harder and harder.  We know what they are...

[pigseye]

15 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

So... don't hold him to account then?

Congress stop doing their job of oversight?

because it's getting old?

 

Interesting angle.

How is the judiciary committee going to hold him to account when he can't be charged?

Making an investigation out of it, when we already know what he did, is no different than partisan mud slinging.

[pigseye]

12 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

The best part is using "charges" as the standard when the DOJ has already ruled he would not be charged under any circumstances.  lol.  These fake conservatives hiding their true nature...it gets harder and harder.  We know what they are...

You should read the article I posted in the climate change thread, it's spot on. He's guilty of being an old, white, male, capitalist, pig who is responsible for every social injustice since the dawn of the industrial revolution. 

[Wideleft]

What if Fox News covered Trump the way it covered Obama? It would look like this:

 

 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2019 by Wideleft

[The Unknown Poster]

5 minutes ago, pigseye said:

You should read the article I posted in the climate change thread, it's spot on. He's guilty of being an old, white, male, capitalist, pig who is responsible for every social injustice since the dawn of the industrial revolution. 

Nope.  Sorry, as I said, you laid yourself bare.  It's over.  Thanks anyway.

[pigseye]

3 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Nope.  Sorry, as I said, you laid yourself bare.  It's over.  Thanks anyway.

Oh c'mon, it took me all day to find that article, humor me. 

[Mark F]

3 hours ago, JCon said:

According to Trumpkins, no. Trumpkins love their ruler. 

For self described by the bootstraps tough guys, they sure whine, cry, and feel sorry for themselves, a lot. 

It's all so terribly unfair.

 

 

Edited April 17, 2019 by Mark F

[Mark F]

1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

because it's getting old?

posted before....... the clinton investigations lasted twelve years lol.

Selective memory in full effect. Or maybe memory loss.

Edited April 17, 2019 by Mark F

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

posted before....... the clinton investigations lasted twelve years lol.

Selective memory in full effect. Or maybe memory loss.

I think it's more full on "IDGAF, our guy is in."

Edited April 17, 2019 by wanna-b-fanboy

[Zontar]

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

You should read the article I posted in the climate change thread, it's spot on. He's guilty of being an old, white, male, capitalist, pig who is responsible for every social injustice since the dawn of the industrial revolution. 

He is guilty of winning an election. It wasn't supposed to happen.

Media, cultural elites, career bureaucrats, globalist plutocrats, liberals in general went all in for a Hillary presidency. 

They weild power and they know it. They expect and demand favorable results.

Best believe it's war for them now. ..they use the same terminology..."resistance" etc.

[Zontar]

Fun fact. Stop having your picture taken with radicals calling for Israel's destruction and , maybe, the "misunderstood" strategy for dodging anti semite charges can get some traction.