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[17to85]

6 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Shows how small the Mueller report has gotten....from alleged treason to a squabble over a summary of a report that was released in full.

Well released after having parts censored and the Attorney General gas lighting the actual contents of the report.... see that's what they are banking on, get their own spun version of things out there first and then hope people just don't care enough to actually pay attention to what is in the report. I see it worked on you...

[Zontar]

Remember all the media outrage over Obama AG Eric Holder refusing to hand over documents to congress and then cited for contempt and calling himself Obama s "wing man".

Yeah, me neither.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

12 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Shows how small the Mueller report has gotten....from alleged treason to a squabble over a summary of a report that was released in full.

You should read the report, it is quite different than what the 4 page Barr summary depicts it as. 

[Zontar]

5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Well released after having parts censored and the Attorney General gas lighting the actual contents of the report.... see that's what they are banking on, get their own spun version of things out there first and then hope people just don't care enough to actually pay attention to what is in the report. I see it worked on you...

What gaslighting. Even the  un redacted report still had Collusion Truthers screeching the report revealed proof of collusion and obstruction.

 

[Zontar]

3 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

You should read the report, it is quite different than what the 4 page Barr summary depicts it as. 

Report showed no collusion or obstruction or charges would have been recommended. If one is upset by that then blame Mueller not Barr.

[Mark F]

9 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Was it graham who was hacked a couple years ago and ever since he’s been trumps biggest fan?  Gotten to 

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GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham received $800,000 from a Ukrainian-born oligarch with ties to Putin's inner circle.

As President Donald Trump appears to sink deeper into legal trouble and special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation pushes forward, the relative silence of congressional Republicans becomes increasingly difficult to ignore.

But apart from the obvious reasons conservative lawmakers might steer clear of commenting on Trump’s situation — party loyalty and fear of inviting a presidential Twitter attack come to mind — it is worth remembering that several noteworthy Republicans have Russia links as well.

South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham is one such lawmaker.

 

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/lindsey-graham-received-campaign-donations-from-firm-tied-to-russian-oligarch-pavoDoUI-U6je1HgaF2sag/

Edited May 2, 2019 by Mark F

[Mark F]

 

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Bill Barr just finished testifying to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

It was remarkable.

Among the opinions the Attorney General espoused are that:

• You only need to call the FBI when being offered campaign assistance by a foreign intelligence service, not a foreigner
• It’s okay to lie about the many dangles hostile foreign countries make to a political campaign, including if you accepted those dangles
• Because Trump was being falsely accused (it’s not clear of what, because the report doesn’t address the most aggressive accusation, and many other accusations against Trump and his campaign are born out by the Mueller Report), it’s okay that he sought to undermine it through illegal means
• It’s okay for the President to order the White House Counsel to lie, even about an ongoing investigation
• It’s okay to fire the FBI Director for refusing to confirm or deny an ongoing investigation, which is DOJ policy not to do
• It’s okay for the Attorney General to call lawfully predicated DOJ investigative techniques “spying” because Fox News does
• Public statements — including threatening someone’s family — cannot be subornation of perjury
• You can exhaust investigative options in a case having only obtained contemptuous responses covering just a third of the investigation from the key subject of it.

 

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Author Marcy Wheeler,  says that Barr's answers show that he has not read the Mueller report. If he hasn't read it, he can't be accused of lying about what's in it.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/05/01/bill-barr-absolved-trump-of-obstruction-without-having-the-faintest-clue-what-he-obstructed/

I just watched a minute or so of it. Barr is spectacularly arrogant.

 

Edited May 2, 2019 by Mark F

[The Unknown Poster]

8 hours ago, Zontar said:

Report showed no collusion or obstruction or charges would have been recommended. If one is upset by that then blame Mueller not Barr.

Except thats not true. 

[The Unknown Poster]

8 hours ago, Zontar said:

What gaslighting. Even the  un redacted report still had Collusion Truthers screeching the report revealed proof of collusion and obstruction.

 

Stop listening to FOX telling you how to think.  You're factually wrong on the report.

[17to85]

8 hours ago, Zontar said:

Report showed no collusion or obstruction or charges would have been recommended. If one is upset by that then blame Mueller not Barr.

The report shows plenty of both, there were no charges because Mueller followed DoJ convention that you can't indict the president, but he was pretty clear that it was up to Congress to deal with it. Which is where the gaslighting comes in, barr is spinning it to sound like what your saying, which isn't true at all.

[The Unknown Poster]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

The report shows plenty of both, there were no charges because Mueller followed DoJ convention that you can't indict the president, but he was pretty clear that it was up to Congress to deal with it. Which is where the gaslighting comes in, barr is spinning it to sound like what your saying, which isn't true at all.

The nationalists are hilarious.  Equating no indictment to exoneration when it wasnt even on the table.  And equating conspiracy and collusion.  Like, they cant even argue facts because it doesnt support their twisted perspective.  

If this was Watergate, these same people would be defending Nixon with a straight face.  

But hey, impeach Clinton right?  And what about the emails!!  *clutches pearls*

[bustamente]

Dark and violent days are ahead for Americans where rule of law is thrown out the window to serve the POTUS who see himself as a dictator and above the law protected by people that he has put in place and Republicans in the Senate. 

[The Unknown Poster]

24 minutes ago, bustamente said:

Dark and violent days are ahead for Americans where rule of law is thrown out the window to serve the POTUS who see himself as a dictator and above the law protected by people that he has put in place and Republicans in the Senate. 

I mentioned before but it doesnt sound as insane as first thought.  What happens if he loses 2020 and refuses to leave?

[bustamente]

I think the House Democrats should forget about AG Turtle Barr and get Mueller in front their committee, let him either confirm or deny what they think and go from there.

[The Unknown Poster]

7 minutes ago, bustamente said:

I think the House Democrats should forget about AG Turtle Barr and get Mueller in front their committee, let him either confirm or deny what they think and go from there.

I think they wanted Barr first so they could pin him down and if Mueller contradicted him, it would be perjury.  Barr is such a weasel though.  AG cant handle questions from staffers...lol 

They'll get Mueller.  Thing about Mueller, he has been exeedingly fair to the President.  Much more than he had to be.  And I understand the criticism of him.  He should have been more concrete in his report but I wonder if he thought Barr was not so conflicted.  We'll see if Mueller is more pointed in front of Congress.  if he is, its bad for a lot of people, including Graham.  Like, how can you not want to hear from Mueller?

[JCon]

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I think they wanted Barr first so they could pin him down and if Mueller contradicted him, it would be perjury.  Barr is such a weasel though.  AG cant handle questions from staffers...lol 

They'll get Mueller.  Thing about Mueller, he has been exeedingly fair to the President.  Much more than he had to be.  And I understand the criticism of him.  He should have been more concrete in his report but I wonder if he thought Barr was not so conflicted.  We'll see if Mueller is more pointed in front of Congress.  if he is, its bad for a lot of people, including Graham.  Like, how can you not want to hear from Mueller?

Oh, didn't you hear? It's done. Yeah, it was declared done by Graham, so it must be. Never mind all the indictments and plea deals and all the evidence that Trump knowing encouraged Russia to interfere with the election, it's done. 

It's fine with the alt-righties around here. It's done. 

[kelownabomberfan]

1 hour ago, bustamente said:

Dark and violent days are ahead for Americans where rule of law is thrown out the window to serve the POTUS who see himself as a dictator and above the law protected by people that he has put in place and Republicans in the Senate. 

and yet the situation you described above is no different than how Justin Trudeau and the Liberals have been behaving in Canada.  Are dark days ahead for Canadians too?  Are we going to just be stuck with two brain-dead lunatic dictators running our countries for the next six years?

[bustamente]

3 minutes ago, JCon said:

Oh, didn't you hear? It's done. Yeah, it was declared done by Graham, so it must be. Never mind all the indictments and plea deals and all the evidence that Trump knowing encouraged Russia to interfere with the election, it's done. 

It's fine with the alt-righties around here. It's done. 

I can't wait for him to do a turn around on Trump if Mueller does go in front of the Senate and House and tells the Republicans what they do not want to hear and actually fear about the POTUS

[kelownabomberfan]

40 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I mentioned before but it doesnt sound as insane as first thought.  What happens if he loses 2020 and refuses to leave?

He'll leave, but there will be protests in the streets with bonfires and rioting and brain-dead celebrities will wear #resist arm-bands and scream for a re-vote.  Oh wait, only Democrats do that.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

9 hours ago, Zontar said:

Report showed no collusion or obstruction or charges would have been recommended. If one is upset by that then blame Mueller not Barr.

The report showed 10 instances of obstruction. that is more than enough to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that obstruction did occur and criminal charges would normally apply and would most certainly have a guilty verdict.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

3 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

and yet the situation you described above is no different than how Justin Trudeau and the Liberals have been behaving in Canada.  Are dark days ahead for Canadians too?  Are we going to just be stuck with two brain-dead lunatic dictators running our countries for the next six years?

What? you can't compare the state of the USA and Canada... 

It almost seems you are trying very hard to tie and equate JT with trump...  that would be a very failed comparison.

[The Unknown Poster]

1 minute ago, kelownabomberfan said:

He'll leave, but there will be protests in the streets with bonfires and rioting and brain-dead celebrities will wear #resist arm-bands and scream for a re-vote.  Oh wait, only Democrats do that.

Yeah, the nationalists arm bands have very different symbols and their screaming isnt for a re-vote, its for the death of minorities.  

[The Unknown Poster]

2 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

The report showed 10 instances of obstruction. that is more than enough to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that obstruction did occur and criminal charges would normally apply and would most certainly have a guilty verdict.

Whats worse is the nationalists and their water-carriers like Barr completely lie about the obstruction law.  Its okay to obstruct and investigation if the end result of the investigation is you didnt get charged with a crime.  Ummm no, that is not the law.

Its all about creating a false narrative for the (as someone else said) brain dead who embrace anything that supports their view that Trump did nothing wrong.  Ofcourse, it might work.  And thats the really sad part.

[The Unknown Poster]

4 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

What? you can't compare the state of the USA and Canada... 

It almost seems you are trying very hard to tie and equate JT with trump...  that would be a very failed comparison.

Whataboutism.  Like, if you are anti-Trump you HAVE to be anti JT too?  Does not compute.  Apples & oranges.  And off topic anyway.  But when you can't defend your guy, its easier to attack the other guy.  Thats the MO of the very fine people on the right.  😉

[kelownabomberfan]

6 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

What? you can't compare the state of the USA and Canada... 

 

I agree, in a lot of ways Canada is far worse off right now.  Did you see the Simpsons this weekend?  We are an international joke now.  Not just a national one.