US Politics

[The Unknown Poster]

Just now, kelownabomberfan said:

I agree, in a lot of ways Canada is far worse off right now.  Did you see the Simpsons this weekend?  We are an international joke now.  Not just a national one.

 

Isnt there a thread for this?  And it isnt this one.

[kelownabomberfan]

8 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Yeah, the nationalists arm bands have very different symbols and their screaming isnt for a re-vote, its for the death of minorities.  

ok?  Not sure what this has to do with anything?  I just think that speculating about Trump "not leaving" if he loses the election is pure paranoia.  I would be more worried about him winning another term, and we seeing all of the rioting in the streets again from Democrats who once again didn't get their way, and can't understand why.

[The Unknown Poster]

2 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

ok?  Not sure what this has to do with anything?  I just think that speculating about Trump "not leaving" if he loses the election is pure paranoia.  I would be more worried about him winning another term, and we seeing all of the rioting in the streets again from Democrats who once again didn't get their way, and can't understand why.

EDIT: Thats not what you posted.  

Edited May 2, 2019 by The Unknown Poster

[17to85]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

But hey, impeach Clinton right?  And what about the emails!!  *clutches pearls*

Hillary's buttery males and the Ben Gay scandal! These are the real problems! 

[The Unknown Poster]

Also keep in mind that these guys want to create a narrative that the investigation occurred because of the Steele dossier.  Whats important to remember is 1) thats not true  2) the dossier has been largely confirmed as accurate.

Maybe the House should bring in Steele and let him publicly discuss the finer points of his urgent concerns over Trump.  That might be can't-miss TV.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

31 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Yeah, the nationalists arm bands have very different symbols and their screaming isnt for a re-vote, its for the death of minorities.  

and don't forget the tiki torches.

[pigseye]

I know a few people who have dropped CNN from their package,

CNN sees ratings swoon in April

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/441557-cnn-sees-ratings-swoon-in-april

people have had enough already. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

 

Here is an article that talks about the closed door caucus meeting that leads up to that moment:

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/02/nancy-pelosi-william-barr-lied-to-congress-1298314

 

of note:

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Pelosi added that impeachment is “too good for” President Donald Trump, reiterating her opposition to launching impeachment proceedings even as a growing chorus of Democrats demands it.

which is kind of worrisome. 

Edited May 2, 2019 by wanna-b-fanboy

[Zontar]

22 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

  2) the dossier has been largely con firmed as accurate.

Absolute rubbish.  Dossier over time has become increasingly dubious by the people who staked every collusion theory on it. Have either backed off completely or wont go near it anymore.  Like the collusion theory in general it's dead and only hardcore Truthers on the internet still cling to it.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

Just now, Zontar said:

Absolute rubbish.  Dossier over time has become increasingly dubious by the people who staked every collusion theory on it. Have either backed off completely or wont go near it anymore.  Like the collusion theory in general it's dead and only hardcore Truthers on the internet still cling to it.

Rubbish?

You need to check the facts. Here is an article that does a quick outline of how it holds up:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/steele-dossier-retrospective

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These materials buttress some of Steele’s reporting, both specifically and thematically. The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven.

 

[Zontar]

51 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

The report showed 10 instances of obstruction. that is more than enough to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that obstruction did occur and criminal charges would normally apply and would most certainly have a guilty verdict.

According to who exactly? Certainly not Mueller he agreed with Barr s summation.

1. Mueller is incompetent or compromised

2. There is some kind of cover up somewhere even though report was released in full in the time allowed with the full cooperation of the author.

Pick one.

[Zontar]

1 minute ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Rubbish?

You need to check the facts. Here is an article that does a quick outline of how it holds up:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/steele-dossier-retrospective

 

Again, if there exists slam dunk evidence why hasn't Trump been indicted.  Get angry at Mueller and FBI not Barr.

Occams Razor holds up over time very well too.

[The Unknown Poster]

8 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Absolute rubbish.  Dossier over time has become increasingly dubious by the people who staked every collusion theory on it. Have either backed off completely or wont go near it anymore.  Like the collusion theory in general it's dead and only hardcore Truthers on the internet still cling to it.

Thats factually untrue.  Im all for differing opinions but you shouldnt just be able to come in here and post lies to forward a false narrative.  Why would you even want to?  Have the Russians invaded this forum? lol

Secondly, you wont read the report but if you did, its chalk full of collusion.  If you're a legitimate poster, start by checking the definition of collusion and go from there.  Good luck!

[The Unknown Poster]

Just now, Zontar said:

Again, if there exists slam dunk evidence why hasn't Trump been indicted.  Get angry at Mueller and FBI not Barr.

Occams Razor holds up over time very well too.

Again, why are you doing this?  You know he cannot be indicted.  What is is your motivation in trolling this thread?  You've posted that before and been corrected.  Please stop.

[The Unknown Poster]

6 minutes ago, Zontar said:

According to who exactly? Certainly not Mueller he agreed with Barr s summation.

1. Mueller is incompetent or compromised

2. There is some kind of cover up somewhere even though report was released in full in the time allowed with the full cooperation of the author.

Pick one.

According to Mueller actually.  Its in the report.  many examples of obstruction.  Please stop.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

42 minutes ago, Zontar said:

According to who exactly? Certainly not Mueller he agreed with Barr s summation.

1. Mueller is incompetent or compromised

2. There is some kind of cover up somewhere even though report was released in full in the time allowed with the full cooperation of the author.

Pick one.

Did you read the report?

Even just the summary portions of the Mueller report? Not the barr 4 page spin job.... the report. 

WHy just the two choices?  It was in the Mueller report (the 10 points of evidence of obstruction) and no- he did not agree with Barr- at all. he even wrote a letter to barr saying as much.

here it is:

 

and you can get a canadian view on it too:

https://globalnews.ca/news/5226039/full-text-of-mueller-letter-to-barr-report-summaries/

 

 

Even Barr didn't know if Mueller agreed with him, he even says it in yesterday's hearing:

"I don't know whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion," Barr replied.

 

Edited May 2, 2019 by wanna-b-fanboy

[Mark F]

10 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

You need to check the facts.

No need.In the right wing fascist leaning world:

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We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality

 

Edited May 2, 2019 by Mark F

[Zontar]

Just now, The Unknown Poster said:

Thats factually untrue.  Im all for differing opinions but you shouldnt just be able to come in here and post lies to forward a false narrative.  Why would you even want to?  Have the Russians invaded this forum? lol

Secondly, you wont read the report but if you did, its chalk full of collusion.  If you're a legitimate poster, start by checking the definition of collusion and go from there.  Good luck!

Stop passing off partisan wish fullfilament as evidence because you're angry at an election result. You wanted the Mueller report and you got it. No collusion,  no obstruction.

You need to accept that you were wrong .

[Zontar]

4 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Again, why are you doing this?  You know he cannot be indicted.  What is is your motivation in trolling this thread?  You've posted that before and been corrected.  Please stop.

Absolutely,  positively nothing stopping an indictment of treason and obstruction of that.

  Which is what the investigation was based on. For almost three years it was tried and it failed from lack of evidence. It did not happen

[The Unknown Poster]

Just now, Zontar said:

Stop passing off partisan wish fullfilament as evidence because you're angry at an election result. You wanted the Mueller report and you got it. No collusion,  no obstruction.

You need to accept that you were wrong .

You dont even use the words accurately.  You're clearly trolling.  I cannot imagine someone being so consumed with a US election that they'd do that.  

Im all for debate.  I love a good debate.  Many intelligent people post here and occasionally change my mind on various topics.  But this trolling behaviour is clearly designed to get threads off topic or locked.

You've done this many times and been corrected/educated numerous times.  Please stop.  Its not a debate or discussion when you are embracing/pushing untrue things (which you know are untrue).

Mueller never said there was no collusion and he certainly didnt say there was no obstruction. 

[The Unknown Poster]

4 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Absolutely,  positively nothing stopping an indictment of treason and obstruction of that.

  Which is what the investigation was based on. For almost three years it was tried and it failed from lack of evidence. It did not happen

So you're being willfully ignorant of the facts?  Mueller was not able to indict Trump.  You know this.

[Mark F]

Let's not forget this.... asked for four years for Cohen, if Trump was not President, he'd be looking at the same. He should be impeached just for this one thing.
 

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On Donald Trump’s orders, his former personal lawyer Michael Cohen twice broke campaign finance laws by paying off women who claimed to have had affairs with Trump, federal prosecutors said in a court filing today.

Cohen’s payments to porn star Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal via shell companies “struck a blow to one of the core goals of the federal campaign finance laws: transparency,” prosecutors from New York’s Southern District wrote. The memo suggested that Cohen spend four years behind bars.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Mark F

[pigseye]

The Democrats see collusion in everything, first the Russians, then Mueller, now Barr, they won't be happy until they scorch earth everything. I hope they lose the next election and have to scorch earth their entire party, they really do need wholesale change. 

[The Unknown Poster]

2 minutes ago, pigseye said:

The Democrats see collusion in everything, first the Russians, then Mueller, now Barr, they won't be happy until they scorch earth everything. I hope they lose the next election and have to scorch earth their entire party, they really do need wholesale change. 

The real twist is, they're correct!  On those three anyway.  Taking emotion out of it, facts are facts.  I know the alt right doesnt like that.  But its true.

[Zontar]

2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

So you're being willfully ignorant of the facts?  Mueller was not able to indict Trump.  You know this.

So instead of cheerleading "the walls are closing in " for over two years why weren't you angry that no criminal charges would be forthcoming and the whole thing was a waste of time?

You didn't because the leftist fantasy was the election would be nullified and Trump in handcuffs .