Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said: Oh so you're simply ignoring facts and evidence. We're really on a different planet now if you're trying to say the aid being linked to favours which they admitted to, is discredited. Holy smokes. Heresay and dramatic , fabulist speeches are not facts.
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Zontar said: By anyone who understands the words "aid was never withheld" "zelensky said he was not told of any quid pro quo by Trump or anyone else". But aid was withheld. It was eventually released when the investigations began... Edited January 27, 2020 by wanna-b-fanboy Wideleft and The Unknown Poster 2
The Unknown Poster Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Zontar said: Heresay and dramatic , fabulist speeches are not facts. witnesses. evidence. And facts are all facts. Chief of Staff admitted it. How many poeple connected to it need to say it before you believe it? Are you really so in love with Trump that you're pretending facts dont exist? Its one thing to accept those facts and pretend they dont matter, but to actually state the facts are not as they are,...you're a great example of the far right base but really...its a gimmick right?? I hope...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Zontar said: By anyone who understands the words "aid was never withheld" "zelensky said he was not told of any quid pro quo by Trump or anyone else". Hannity is the Rachel Maddow of the GOP establishment. Hes a political talk show host dressed up as an news analyst. Yet here you are, parroting his disinformation... I am not trying to pile on here @Zontar but you aren't really helping your side of the argument here. If you have some facts you want people to hear, just list it and offer some factual support for it. Edited January 27, 2020 by wanna-b-fanboy blue_gold_84 and The Unknown Poster 1 1
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 How is it disinformation ? Apart from stans who takes either of them seriously? They are shills each for their corporate masters.
do or die Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Zontar said: Heresay and dramatic , fabulist speeches are not facts. For that matter....neither are cryptic deflections. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: witnesses. evidence. And facts are all facts. Chief of Staff admitted it. How many poeple connected to it need to say it before you believe it? Are you really so in love with Trump that you're pretending facts dont exist? Its one thing to accept those facts and pretend they dont matter, but to actually state the facts are not as they are,...you're a great example of the far right base but really...its a gimmick right?? I hope... Sondland, their supposed star witness, was asked directly if Trump ordered quid pro quo. "No" "Then why did you say there was such an order?" "I just assumed" Zelensky, who actually took the phone call, No quid pro quo,, was never said by Trump, not aware of any aid being withheld at any time. Seriously, dont know what more can be said.
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, do or die said: For that matter....neither are cryptic deflections. But that was the sum total of Democrats opening statements. Two days of heresay evidence and long speeches about how Trump is the antichrist and not removing him gurantees the universe will explode.
do or die Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Zontar said: But that was the sum total of Democrats opening statements. Two days of heresay evidence and long speeches about how Trump is the antichrist and not removing him gurantees the universe will explode. Well, why don't the Republicans simply call a couple of witnesses, past or current members of the Trump administration.......to total blow away this "put up job"? Could of done this at any time.....seeing that they are not scared of anything. Important to notice.... that they say almost nothing about or directly challenge the veracity of the earlier witnesses, from the House investigation......they simply spend their time attacking Adam Schiff, (who "insulted them") screaming about Hunter Biden, or telling outright lies, about the impeachment process, itself. Wanna-B-Fanboy, blue_gold_84, Wideleft and 1 other 4
The Unknown Poster Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) Totally discredited!! Hahhaha Can someone please tell Mitt that Bolton’s bombshell was already discredited? Edited January 27, 2020 by The Unknown Poster bustamente 1
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, do or die said: Well, why don't the Republicans simply call a couple of witnesses, past or current members of the Trump administration.......to total blow away this "put up job"? Could of done this at any time.....seeing that they are not scared of anything. Dunno. Its a poker game. Another question that could be asked is; If case is so iron clad why did Schiff say there was no need to hear from the "whistleblower" and yet pleaded for other witnesses ? (after earlier asserting the country desperately needed to hear from him/her) Schiff told a bold face lie during inquiry which should have disqualified him from the entire process when he said he had never met with the whistleblower yet was named head of the process The very process people are supposed to believe has credibilitty. Theres every reason for him to be ripped. Edited January 27, 2020 by Zontar
The Unknown Poster Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zontar said: Sondland, their supposed star witness, was asked directly if Trump ordered quid pro quo. "No" "Then why did you say there was such an order?" "I just assumed" Zelensky, who actually took the phone call, No quid pro quo,, was never said by Trump, not aware of any aid being withheld at any time. Seriously, dont know what more can be said. "Was there a 'quid pro quo?' As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes," - Sondland Seriously, dont know what more can be said. Edited January 27, 2020 by The Unknown Poster Wideleft and bb.king 1 1
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: "Was there a 'quid pro quo?' As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes," - Sondland Seriously, dont know what more can be said. Based on an self admitted assumption not on instructions by WH. The Unknown Poster 1
The Unknown Poster Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Zontar said: Based on an self admitted assumption not on instructions by WH. Well I guess we can disregard him. And Bolton. And everyone else. Cause you say so haha blue_gold_84 1
blue_gold_84 Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zontar said: But that was the sum total of Democrats opening statements. Two days of heresay evidence and long speeches about how Trump is the antichrist and not removing him gurantees the universe will explode. Nice histrionics. You know, I think others here would be willing to take you seriously if you actually presented evidence for your ridiculous comments. Resorting to whataboutism and deflection is not a very respectable or rational way to make a point. In fact, it makes you look like nothing more than a troll. Which is to say nothing about your horrid grasp of the English language. The word you're looking for is hearsay. Hearsay. Once again: hearsay. Edited January 27, 2020 by blue_gold_84
The Unknown Poster Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said: Nice histrionics. You know, I think others here would be willing to take you seriously if you actually presented evidence for your ridiculous comments. Resorting to whataboutism and deflection is not a very respectable or rational way to make a point. In fact, it makes you look like nothing more than a troll. Which is to say nothing about your horrid grasp of the English language. The word you're looking for is hearsay. Hearsay. Once again: hearsay. He's gotta be a gimmick trolling for fun. Its weird but people do it. blue_gold_84 1
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 37 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said: Nice histrionics. You know, I think others here would be willing to take you seriously if you actually presented evidence for your ridiculous comments. Resorting to whataboutism and deflection is not a very respectable or rational way to make a point. In fact, it makes you look like nothing more than a troll. Which is to say nothing about your horrid grasp of the English language. The word you're looking for is hearsay. Hearsay. Once again: hearsay. But it is all heresay Not one witness has proof of a direct order. They are all parotting what the other said. Cant build a case on assumption and supposition . histrionics ? In Schiffs last speech he said one couldnt trust the outcome of the next election and therefore voters couldnt be trusted to deliver final verdict on Trump.. Hes one the people you think are the good guys ?
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Well I guess we can disregard him. And Bolton. And everyone else. Cause you say so haha Championing a scumbag warmonger like Bolton and helping him sell books. Do progressives feel the slightest bit conflicted ? You hate Trump so much youre willing to sell yourselves out over that dickbag ? Man, and people thought hitching the wagon to porn star lawyer Avenatti was bad. Edited January 27, 2020 by Zontar
The Unknown Poster Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 You know how we can tell trump is totally innocent? How he desperately wants all the witnesses and evidence to come out....ohhhh
The Unknown Poster Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Zontar said: Championing a scumbag warmonger like Bolton and helping him sell books. Do progressives feel the slightest bit conflicted ? You hate Trump so much youre willing to sell yourselves out over that dickbag ? Man, and people thought hitching the wagon to porn star lawyer Avenatti was bad. Hahahaha so the guy is great when he’s not undermining your guy right? Lol. Good lord!
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Zontar said: Championing a scumbag warmonger like Bolton and helping him sell books. Do progressives feel the slightest bit conflicted ? You hate Trump so much youre willing to sell yourselves out over that dickbag ? Man, and people thought hitching the wagon to porn star lawyer Avenatti was bad. Wait, what? how is anyone selling themselves out over a dickbag? How are we helping him sell books because we want him to testify? I don't think that's how book sales work... Just because he is a warmonger and a generally awful person, doesn't mean that his testimony lacks merit... evidence is evidence. No one is championing bolton by wanting to hear him testify under oath... That is quite the leap in logic. Edited January 27, 2020 by wanna-b-fanboy Wideleft 1
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Hahahaha so the guy is great when he’s not undermining your guy right? Lol. Good lord! You will spend the rest of your natural life looking for a post by me defending Bolton. Swamp creature , deep state extraordinaire. Try reading what I actually say instead of lazily filtering what you think i say through your leftist bias.
do or die Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 If Bolton is going to make cash, later on his inside knowledge of administration things. He might as well show the money under oath. Instead of being blocked from testifying, like every single other person of interest, with the Trump administration. So far the only people who were able to speak publicly (House hearings) have painted a pretty ugly picture. Surely someone, any one, could testify FOR Trump. Unless they simply don't exist. blue_gold_84 and Wideleft 2
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, do or die said: If Bolton is going to make cash, later on his inside knowledge of administration things. He might as well show the money under oath. Instead of being blocked from testifying, like every single other person of interest, with the Trump administration. So far the only people who were able to speak publicly (House hearings) have painted a pretty ugly picture. Surely someone, any one, could testify FOR Trump. Unless they simply don't exist. Seriously beleive he wants to be questioned under oath now ? Questions about coordinating media leaks, quite possibly illegal, for who knows how long and todays media leak just to juice book sales. Think that might come up in questioning ?
do or die Posted January 27, 2020 Report Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Zontar said: Seriously beleive he wants to be questioned under oath now ? Questions about coordinating media leaks, quite possibly illegal, for who knows how long and todays media leak just to juice book sales. Think that might come up in questioning ? Bolton stated before the House hearings that he wanted to testify. The White House indicated that they would initiate a lengthy court battle to prevent this. Wouldn't the Republicans be eager to discredit this stuff? But do they really want to know about what he (and other senior members of the administration) saw and heard? That is the issue here. Based on statement and (in) action....they seem pretty terrified at the prospect. Edited January 27, 2020 by do or die
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