US Politics

[17to85]

12 minutes ago, pigseye said:

but hoped the good he did for the economy would outweigh the bad.

Name me one time when cutting taxes on the wealthy ever helped an economy. Or when tariffs ever helped an economy. 

You are one of those types that thinks about the economy in completely backwards ways. 

You don't build a strong economy from the top down. You build it from the bottom up. 

[do or die]

Just now, 17to85 said:

Name me one time when cutting taxes on the wealthy ever helped an economy. Or when tariffs ever helped an economy. 

You are one of those types that thinks about the economy in completely backwards ways. 

You don't build a strong economy from the top down. You build it from the bottom up. 

Republicans have been pushing that stupid trickle down economic theory, since Reagan.  Because that theory works pretty well for the people that really count.  And those people are not the bulk of working Americans. 

[Brandon]

Hopefully this isn't a repost...

 

[pigseye]

3 minutes ago, do or die said:

Taking the existing inequalities as well, as the social, racial, and political differences and disagreements already in America....and making them much worse, by using them all as wedge issues for political gain through non-stop dog whistling and gas-lighting.....is actually pretty bad. 

He maybe empowered the ugly side but it has always been there festering under the surface. America isn't what many people think it is. A good American Liberal thinks they are doing their part by the number of illegal servants they have working for them. The media hasn't helped either, you can only cry wolf so many times before they tune you out.

 

[pigseye]

9 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Name me one time when cutting taxes on the wealthy ever helped an economy. Or when tariffs ever helped an economy. 

You are one of those types that thinks about the economy in completely backwards ways. 

You don't build a strong economy from the top down. You build it from the bottom up. 

People have jobs under Trump that didn't under Obama, at the end of the day feeding your family is what matters to the average voter.

You can lecture all you like about trickle down economics and whether or not it works but it's not about that and if you can't see that then you are looking in the wrong places.

Ask the older Democrats who they voted for last election, it was Trump because they wanted some returns on their 401K's before they retired and it worked out very well for them.

The democrats never run on jobs because they can't deliver. 

[do or die]

5 minutes ago, pigseye said:

He maybe empowered the ugly side but it has always been there festering under the surface. America isn't what many people think it is. A good American Liberal thinks they are doing their part by the number of illegal servants they have working for them. The media hasn't helped either, you can only cry wolf so many times before they tune you out.

 

We know the issues already existed, but no excuse for the disgraceful manner for which Trump has simply exacerbated them.   In Trumpland, people don't seem to need to weigh and evaluate the media on a case basis, but merely play follow the leader.....

[pigseye]

Just now, do or die said:

We know the issues already existed, but no excuse for the disgraceful manner for which Trump has simply exacerbated them.   In Trumpland, people don't seem to need to weigh and evaluate the media on a case basis, but merely play follow the leader.....

It was building under Obama, the hate and feeling of being left behind, jobs being taken from them by immigrants yada yada, Trump just rode the wave, it was perfect timing, probably won't be replicated ever again, until the next black democratic president. 

[do or die]

14 minutes ago, pigseye said:

The democrats never run on jobs because they can't deliver. 

Top 5 Presidential Job creators:

1.  Bill Clinton (1993-2001): Most number of jobs created of all Presidents (18.6 million jobs) 15.6% increase, the third-largest percentage increase

2.  Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945): Largest Percentage Increase. 21.5%, of all Presidents

3. Ronald Reagan (1981-1989): Second-Largest Job Creator, 16.5 million jobs during his eight-year term, a 16.5% increase. Reagan was the second-largest job creator both number-wise and percentage-wise.

4.  Jimmy Carter (1977-1981): Fourth-Largest Job Increase 9.8 million jobs, a 10.9% increase.

5. Harry Truman (1945-1953): Fourth-Largest Percentage Increase 6.9 million jobs. The 13% increase was the fourth-largest among modern presidents.

[JCon]

Facts never get in the way of a good alt-right argument. 

[do or die]

GOP senators urge Trump not to restrict guest worker visas

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/499788-gop-senators-urge-trump-not-to-restrict-guest-worker-visas

Sometimes, it all depends on who's ox is being gored

[Tracker]

5 minutes ago, do or die said:

GOP senators urge Trump not to restrict guest worker visas

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/499788-gop-senators-urge-trump-not-to-restrict-guest-worker-visas

Sometimes, it all depends on who's ox is being gored

Bad-mouthing Al again?

[pigseye]

13 minutes ago, do or die said:

Top 5 Presidential Job creators:

1.  Bill Clinton (1993-2001): Most number of jobs created of all Presidents (18.6 million jobs) 15.6% increase, the third-largest percentage increase

2.  Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945): Largest Percentage Increase. 21.5%, of all Presidents

3. Ronald Reagan (1981-1989): Second-Largest Job Creator, 16.5 million jobs during his eight-year term, a 16.5% increase. Reagan was the second-largest job creator both number-wise and percentage-wise.

4.  Jimmy Carter (1977-1981): Fourth-Largest Job Increase 9.8 million jobs, a 10.9% increase.

5. Harry Truman (1945-1953): Fourth-Largest Percentage Increase 6.9 million jobs. The 13% increase was the fourth-largest among modern presidents.

You know those numbers are misleading, Roosevelt was the only one I believe who actually ran on the New Deal. 

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, do or die said:

Republicans have been pushing that stupid trickle down economic theory, since Reagan.  Because that theory works pretty well for the people that really count.  And those people are not the bulk of working Americans. 

Does it work for our human capital stock as articulated by someone in Trumps administration?

[do or die]

29 minutes ago, pigseye said:

You know those numbers are misleading, Roosevelt was the only one I believe who actually ran on the New Deal. 

The New Deal was a one-off to address massive unemployment (like today) He implemented it after being elected, Roosevelt gave no details on the election trail...knew that he was getting in, on the strength of not being Hoover (sic)  True that a lot of that employment was generated by massive public works projects - but given the situation - needs must. Also Roosevelt was the first President to take advantage of new media (radio) in address the fears and discontents caused by the depression, and re-assure citizens that government had not forsaken them.

Edited May 27, 2020 by do or die

[do or die]

8 minutes ago, do or die said:

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by do or die

[pigseye]

7 minutes ago, do or die said:

The New Deal was a one-off to address massive unemployment (like today) He implemented it after being elected, Roosevelt gave no details on the election trail...knew that he was getting in, on the strength of not being Hoover (sic)  True that a lot of that employment was generated by massive public works projects - but given the situation - needs must. Also Roosevelt was the first President to take advantage of new media (radio) in address the fears and discontents caused by the depression, and re-assure citizens that government had not forsaken them.

Roosevelt was a product of the times.

The only job Clinton created was from Monica. He inherited a hot economy and the dot.com bubble. 

[The Unknown Poster]

11 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Roosevelt was a product of the times.

The only job Clinton created was from Monica. He inherited a hot economy and the dot.com bubble. 

Trump inherited a hot economy too. But you like to pretend he’s been the guy for the economy.  Not so hot now though.  

[do or die]

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Trump inherited a hot economy too. But you like to pretend he’s been the guy for the economy.  Not so hot now though.  

People forget that Obama inherited the financial crisis and had to pay for 2 Iraq wars and still left a stable economic platform

[pigseye]

27 minutes ago, do or die said:

People forget that Obama inherited the financial crisis and had to pay for 2 Iraq wars and still left a stable economic platform

Yes he did, no one disputes that, but he also benefited from the 2008 recovery, there was no place to go but up, and even after 8 years he couldn't get unemployment down to where Trump did, over a full percent half a million jobs or so

Now let's look at Trumps, and not the obvious numbers, some things you never hear about but are key to it's success:

1. Higher wages, yes if you can believe it, higher wages for the typical American worker, growing at over 3%/year since Trump took office. Shouldn't happen under a Republican President should it?

2. Manufacturing jobs are back thanks to the tax cuts, part of his strategy in tackling the trade deficit

3. Fewer Americans on food stamps, hard to believe that all they needed was a job, crazy how that works, get a job and get off food stamps

4. And the markets, what can you say they speak for themselves (current lockdown aside).

Anyone who tries to discredit his job on the economy can't be taken seriously. 

[Eternal optimist]

Dude, 3% increase year-over-year barely covers inflation... Trump's impact on the economy has been positive... but for all the wrong reasons, the stock market boomed when he got elected not because of investor confidence in his abilities to steer the American economy, but because most investors knew corporate tax cuts were part of his platform, they knew large American corporations would pay even less corporate tax than they previously were before he was elected.

On top of all that, arguably the most archaic issue in the states - a lack of a national healthcare system - continues to dog the average, everyday wage earner, and remains completely unaddressed. Although median wages have increased, so has the number of Americans with absolutely no health insurance at all. Although less individuals are using social welfare programs (like food stamps) - Trump has persistently talked about cutting aid to these programs... of course usage is going to go down if you cut a program, that's like saying (as an example):

"Hey, the number of youth offenders in Manitoba Liquor Marts is 0 now! Boy the police are doing a good job with that!" ... In this instance, we're giving credit to police for something they aren't even responsible for (youths in liquor marts, security guards deal with that).

Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/759512938/u-s-census-bureau-reports-poverty-rate-down-but-millions-still-poor

[pigseye]

The left starting to eat their own,

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/joe-biden-takes-idiotic-questions-about-masks-looking-weak-and-never-apologizing-from-cnns-dana-bash/

in all honesty though, Dana Bash should be ashamed of herself for this quality of work.

[pigseye]

15 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:

Dude, 3% increase year-over-year barely covers inflation... Trump's impact on the economy has been positive

That's more than they were getting before Trump, you'd have to go back 3 presidents to see those kind of numbers, no wonder the typical worker was fed up.

 

17 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:

the stock market boomed when he got elected not because of investor confidence in his abilities to steer the American economy, but because most investors knew corporate tax cuts were part of his platform, they knew large American corporations would pay even less corporate tax than they previously were before he was elected.

No tax cut, no stimulus, no market boom, you can't have one without the other. Investors wanted return and they got them.

18 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:

On top of all that, arguably the most archaic issue in the states - a lack of a national healthcare system - continues to dog the average, everyday wage earner, and remains completely unaddressed. Although median wages have increased, so has the number of Americans with absolutely no health insurance at all.

The health care industry is driving the economy down there, 3 million new jobs. Universal Health Care is not sustainable as we are going to find out here very soon. Besides, wouldn't it make more sense for the rich to go get there own private care, they can afford it after all and wouldn't that free up more resources for the lower income family's who really need it? **** the rich, make them pay for their own health care. 

22 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:

Although less individuals are using social welfare programs (like food stamps)

Don't even try to turn this into a negative.

[The Unknown Poster]

Let me get this straight.  Trump inherited a great economy but he’s still a great economic genius.  Obama and everyone else who actually did great things for the economy had excuses so it doesn’t count.  
 

talk about wearing orange coloured glasses.   This is getting absurd. 
 

anyway in other news the big baby is mad at twitter. 

 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

3 hours ago, do or die said:

Republicans have been pushing that stupid trickle down economic theory, since Reagan.  Because that theory works pretty well for the people that really count.  And those people are not the bulk of working Americans. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

2 hours ago, do or die said:

People republicans forget that Obama inherited the financial crisis and had to pay for 2 Iraq wars and still left a stable economic platform

fify