US Politics

[FrostyWinnipeg]

https://boingboing.net/2021/07/29/check-out-the-sad-and-scary-interviews-with-qanoners-at-the-god-and-country-patriot-roundup.html

[TrueBlue4ever]

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

Biden and friends are happy cause they got a bipartisan agreement.

on climate, it isnt ten percent of whats needed, but who cares, as long as there is bipartisanness. so much love with his good republican friends, cause thats what matters.

shocking devlelopement, turns out Biden gets a lot of donations from oil.
 

but no worries, the rest will get done "later" 😂

lets see if he has the Democratic votes to get this piece of used toilet paper passed.

but mainstream democrats style is to kiss republican asses, and twist progressive

democrat 's arms.

 

same old shat while the world burns and floods.

Remember that Democrats in the USA, even progressives, are more conservative than anything short of the extremists in the Canadian Conservative party. Any attempt to reject Republicans could kill their voter support amongst moderate Republicans or independents, so like it or not conciliation is necessary. The alternative is losing to 75,000,000 Americans who are hard core Trumpists who will always vote for his cause. There are a lot more pure Republicans than pure Democrats in the States when it comes to guaranteed locked in votes.  

Edited July 29, 2021 by TrueBlue4ever

[Mark F]

1 hour ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

There are a lot more pure Republicans than pure Democrats in the States when it comes to guaranteed locked in votes.  

the time for basing decisions about climate , energy around that, are long past.

they have zero years left to do huge work. failure to do so..... just look up what the 14000 scientists are saying. 

at some point, leaders lead. That is their job. Americans had to be dragged and pushed into WW2. thank god roosevelt led, instead of fretting about polls and politics.

we have reached that point on climate  and are blasting past it.

whole facking planet is burning and flooding.

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Mark F

[TrueBlue4ever]

46 minutes ago, Mark F said:

the time for basing decisions about climate , energy around that, are long past.

they have zero years left to do huge work. failure to do so..... just look up what the 14000 scientists are saying. 

at some point, leaders lead. That is their job. Americans had to be dragged and pushed into WW2. thank god roosevelt led, instead of fretting about polls and politics.

we have reached that point on climate  and are blasting past it.

whole facking planet is burning and flooding.

 

WW2 was an easy sell once Pearl Harbour.  No kicking and screaming after that. And before that there was zero desire and Roosevelt did not push to join in. Only when the US’s own interests are threatened do they act. Same with climate change unfortunately. And even though they are dead wrong, the US does not feel that their interests are threatened yet. At least not monetarily. 

[Tracker]

21 hours ago, Tracker said:

As has Google.

And Ford Motor Company.

[Mark F]

2 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

At least not monetarily. 

 

the one percent does not feel threatened. although in fact they are.

but

polls indicate 60 percent of americans do feel threatened.

politics as usual wont work. 

maybe you think it will, but I dont.

sadly biden, pelosi, schumer think its good to negotiaite with insurrectionists. 

nonsense. there is no time left.

Edited July 29, 2021 by Mark F

[bustamente]

Larry Moe and Curly are at it again or maybe they want to see what their next address looks like

 

[TrueBlue4ever]

30 minutes ago, Mark F said:

 

the one percent does not feel threatened. although in fact they are.

but

polls indicate 60 percent of americans do feel threatened.

politics as usual wont work. 

maybe you think it will, but I dont.

sadly biden, pelosi, schumer think its good to negotiaite with insurrectionists. 

nonsense. there is no time left.

I don’t think it will either, I am just offering a rationale for why Biden operates the way he does despite you being frustrated with it. And politics as usual will be practiced as long as it works for the politician rather than the public, and the vast majority of the public don’t care enough to demand lasting change. Right now the citizenry who care the most and are screaming the loudest are the Trump Klan - how’s that push for change working out?  And it may not be that they think it is good, but rather that it is necessary. 

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, Mark F said:

 

the one percent does not feel threatened. although in fact they are.

but polls indicate 60 percent of americans do feel threatened.

politics as usual wont work.  maybe you think it will, but I dont. sadly biden, pelosi, schumer think its good to negotiaite with insurrectionists. 

nonsense. there is no time left.

But it worked so well for Neville Chamberlain.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

Easy peasy.

 

 

 

[Tracker]

Trump privately called the officers who defended the Capitol on January 6 '*******,' report says

Trump privately called the officers who defended the Capitol on January 6 '*******,' report says
Four police officers who worked during the Capitol riot pose after testifying to a House select committee. Andrew Harnik-Pool/Getty Images
Trump called police officers who worked during the Capitol riot "*******," The Daily Beast reported.
He reportedly also believes some officers are being used as Democratic pawns to smear his name.
Four officers gave harrowing testimony on their experience at the Capitol riot on Tuesday.
Former President Donald Trump has in private conversations been calling some of the police officers who defended the Capitol on January 6 "*******," The Daily Beast reported.

More than 200 officers with the US Capitol Police and Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police Department were injured as a result of clashes with pro-Trump supporters on January 6, police and union officials have said.

In the months since the insurrection, multiple officers have recounted their horror and accused Trump of lying about the nature of the riot.
But according to sources who spoke with The Daily Beast, Trump believes a number of officers who worked that day were weak, and called them "*******."
The former president has on occasion expressed pity for some officers who worked that day, but has also said that he believes the events of January 6 "broke" several officers because they weren't tough enough, The Daily Beast reported.

Trump privately called the officers who defended the Capitol on January 6 '*******,' report says | Business Insider India

[Tracker]

'This reeks of criminal intent': Bombshell notes expose Trump's pressure campaign on the DOJ
   
Lawmakers in the House Oversight Committee released new evidence on Friday of former President Donald Trump's extensive pressure campaign to use the Justice Department to help him overturn the result of the 2020 presidential election in the final days of his administration.

Notes from conversations between the president and DOJ officials detail his aggressive push to have the department validate the wild conspiracy theories about election fraud that he fomented, despite the lack of evidence.

On Dec. 27, when told the department couldn't "snap its fingers" and "change the outcome of the election," Trump said, "Don't expect you to do that, just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen," according to the notes.

'This reeks of criminal intent': Bombshell notes expose Trump's pressure campaign on the DOJ - Alternet.org

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

Uhg.... Finally

 

 

Gee, I wonder what took so long.

Edited July 30, 2021 by wanna-b-fanboy

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

Ah yes, truly only the best and brightest for the GQP... 

BRUH, do even socialism?

[Tracker]

'Planning to foment a coup': Legal experts say new evidence shows Trump trying 'to overthrow the government'

   
Legal experts are cautiously weighing in on the bombshell news out of the U.S. House of Representatives Oversight Committee and The New York Times revealing how the former president, Donald Trump, pressured top DOJ officials to declare the election "corrupt" and help him overturn it.

NBC News and MSNBC Legal Analyst Glenn Kirschner, a former fed prosecutor, calls Trump pressuring the DOJ "evidence of an intent to overthrow the government," and asks what more will it take for him to be indicted.

And this statement constitutes evidence of an intent to overthrow the government/stop the lawfully elected incoming… https://t.co/YZEzgnCuKR
— Glenn Kirschner (@Glenn Kirschner) 1627667208.0
Constitutional law scholar, University Professor Emeritus at Harvard University Laurence Tribe says this is "part of a pattern showing Trump's criminal planning to foment a coup":

"'Just say the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me' & to congressional allies, [Deputy Acting AG Richard] D… https://t.co/lacRV92hQC
— Laurence Tribe (@Laurence Tribe) 1627659490.0
Noted attorney George Conway, who turned down a position of solicitor general in the Trump administration says Trump "should be prosecuted":

It's difficult to overstate how much this reeks of criminal intent on the part of the former guy. https://t.co/xD3WkYfDoh
— George Conway (@George Conway) 1627660619.0

 

[bustamente]

Trump donated the last six months of his salary as POTUS to himself, something about the peasants not kissing his ring for the 3.5 years of donating it while he and his kids grifted millions.

[the watcher]

On 2021-07-29 at 3:02 PM, TrueBlue4ever said:

WW2 was an easy sell once Pearl Harbour.  No kicking and screaming after that. And before that there was zero desire and Roosevelt did not push to join in. Only when the US’s own interests are threatened do they act. Same with climate change unfortunately. And even though they are dead wrong, the US does not feel that their interests are threatened yet. At least not monetarily. 

From my readings Roosevelt was trying to get them in as he recognized the dangers of the fascist movement. But he had little support until Pearl Harbor.  There is even a conspiracy theory that Roosevelt and his inner circle knew it was coming and let it happen so there would not be any  resistance to entering the war. I doubt it has any credence. But none the less Roosevelt was pushing to enter the conflict.

[Mark F]

26 minutes ago, the watcher said:

From my readings Roosevelt was trying to get them in as he recognized the dangers of the fascist movement. But he had little support until Pearl Harbor.

and prior to declaring war in europe, the americans also heavily supplied the british with arms.

the other thing is at that time, there was a lot of support for the Nazis in America. father brown, german american bund. full nazi rally at madison square garden is something if you havent seen it.youtube has it.

Edited July 31, 2021 by Mark F

[Mark H.]

26 minutes ago, Mark F said:

and prior to declaring war in europe, the americans also heavily supplied the british with arms.

the other thing is at that time, there was a lot of support for the Nazis in America. father brown, german american bund. full nazi rally at madison square garden is something if you havent seen it.youtube has it.

There was also plenty of Nazi support in Canada.  MacKenzie King was an anti - Semitic who actually spoke well of Hitler.  When it came to accepting Jewish refugees, the King and his immigration minister made sure there was plenty of red tape.  

[the watcher]

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

and prior to declaring war in europe, the americans also heavily supplied the british with arms.

the other thing is at that time, there was a lot of support for the Nazis in America. father brown, german american bund. full nazi rally at madison square garden is something if you havent seen it.youtube has it.

Re supplying arms. At one point the Americans weren't allowed to sell planes and fly them to Canada for shipping. So the planes were flown to the border, landed, pushed across, then flown the rest of the way.

The Nazi movement / support was pretty strong in the USA. Less so in Canada but every country had it's closet fascists.  The communist movement in on Canada was far stronger than fascism. A reported 10,000 turned out to support communist  leader Tim Buck when he was released from being arrested.

[Tracker]

Large percentage of Republicans believe 'patriotic Americans’ could 'take the law into their own hands’
   
Nearly half of Republican voters believe there will come a time when the so-called "American patriots" will "have take the law into their own hands," the findings of a new survey reveal.

The new survey, conducted by GW Politics Poll, analyzed the belief systems of Democrats and Republicans. Based on the survey's findings, there are stark differences between Democratic and Republican voters' perspectives of the law and their trust and confidence in the government.

Republican voters in states former President Donald Trump won during the 2020 election have a higher level of trust in their state and local officials than Republicans residing in blue states won by President Joe Biden. While the same trend is evident where Democratic voters are concerned, the survey indicates it is far "less profound."

Danny Hayes, a George Washington University political science professor and co-director of the GW Politics Poll weighed in with more details about the survey findings.

"Most of the state and local officials who run our elections are long-time public servants whose goal is simply to help our democracy operate smoothly," Hayes said. "But if we've gotten to a place where voters trust the electoral system only when their side wins, then that undermines the idea of non-partisan election administration, which is essential for democracy."

The survey highlighted the following:

"Support for fundamental principles such as free and fair elections, free speech, and peaceful protest are nearly unanimous among both Democrats and Republicans. Their views on other democratic values, however, differ dramatically. Over half of Republicans (55%) supported the possible use of force to preserve the "traditional American way of life," compared to 15% of Democrats. When asked if a time will come when "patriotic Americans have to take the law into their own hands," 47% of Republicans agreed, as opposed to just 9% of Democrats."

The reference to patriotic Americans could raise concerns given what transpired at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, the deadly event serves as a reminder of what could happen when Americans "take the law into their own hands."

Large percentage of Republicans believe 'patriotic Americans’ could 'take the law into their own hands’ - Alternet.org

[Mark F]

1 hour ago, Mark H. said:

When it came to accepting Jewish refugees, the King and his immigration minister made sure there was plenty of red tape.  

book titled "none is too many" is about that subject. 

yeah you are right 

 

"The authors identify Frederick Blair, the head of immigration in William Lyon Mackenzie King's government, as a top official who opposed and limited Jewish immigration. They say that Blair's policy had the full support of Mackenzie King, who was prime minister 1935–48, Vincent Massey, the high commissioner to Britain,^[3] and both Anglophone and Francophone elites in general."

sadly people have been hating and killing Jews for a very long time. reading a book about the sectarian division between the Jews, and the Jewish sect that became Christianity. very interesting since I know nothing about it. Elaine Pagels author. "origins of satan"

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Mark F

[Mark F]

22 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Nearly half of Republican voters believe there will come a time when the so-called "American patriots" will "have take the law into their own hands," the findings of a new survey reveal.

frightening but not new.  Tree of liberty has to be watered with blood. they like that idea.

just not their blood.

Not much doubt, violence is a core American value.

Edited July 31, 2021 by Mark F

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

It's sad that I have to struggle with where to put this... is it Covid or Political... that really shouldn't be the case... 

 

Regardless, here is an EXCELLENT article about antivaxxers distilled into what Kyle highlighted...

 

Edited August 1, 2021 by wanna-b-fanboy

[Mark F]

good summary of Bipartisan Joe's  cave: outlines some earlier bipartisan "triumphs."

 

 

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/08/bipartisan-gutted-infrastructure-bill-reconciliation-bill-democratic-congress-biden-administration