US Politics

[do or die]

Just now, Mark F said:

one thing about being old, you can remember some things

"In March 1991, just after his victory in the Persian Gulf War, an ebullient President George H.W. Bush told a group of state legislators, "The specter of Vietnam has been buried forever in the desert sands of the Arabian Peninsula.... By God, we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome once and for all."

 

Yup, march onwards to the "Iraqi Freedom" operation

[Mark F]

7 minutes ago, do or die said:

Yup, march onwards to the "Iraqi Freedom" operation

remarkable the similarity to their exit from vietnam. american helicopter pushed of the warship intomthe sea.

they dropped more bombs onLaos, than were dropped in the entire ww2. place is covered with bomb craters and live bombs.

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Mark F

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

one thing about being old, you can remember some things

"In March 1991, just after his victory in the Persian Gulf War, an ebullient President George H.W. Bush told a group of state legislators, "The specter of Vietnam has been buried forever in the desert sands of the Arabian Peninsula.... By God, we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome once and for all."

alsomthe photo of rumsfeld, just before they invaded iraq, shaking hands with saddam.  did the  exact same thing to gadafi. 

do,it to us too, with endless tariff wars. treacherous bunch, the muricans.

it may be that this one, is their last major foreign war. too much **** piling up now to do it again.

Wanna bet?

1 hour ago, do or die said:

The Americans sunk Billions and 50,000 dead troops.....in trying, and trying.... to prop up the corrupt Diem government in South Vietnam.    Never did learn their lesson.   Afghanistan was in the fail category, 3 administrations ago.....

Actually, the cost to the US alone, not counting British and Canadian costs, has been estimated as close to TWO  trillion dollars.  And it is worth mentioning that for every war fatality, there are 6-8 permanently disabled. If the US experiences in post-Viet Nam and post 9-11 government treatment of those maimed in those events, the disabled will be treated like trash.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Tracker

[do or die]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Wanna bet?

Actually, the cost to the US alone, not counting British and Canadian costs, has been estimated as close to TWO  trillion dollars.  And it is worth mentioning that for every war fatality, there are 6-8 permanently disabled. If the US experiences in post-Viet Nam and post 9-11 government treatment of those maimed in those events, the disabled will be treated like trash.

You can tack on the 80+ Billion burnt in Afghanistan.... and more of the residual damage you referred to above....

2 hours ago, Mark F said:

remarkable the similarity to their exit from vietnam. american helicopter pushed of the warship intomthe sea.

they dropped more bombs onLaos, than were dropped in the entire ww2. place is covered with bomb craters and live bombs.

 

And didn't tell anyone, including the American public about it......

[Mark F]

1 hour ago, do or die said:

You can tack on the 80+ Billion burnt in Afghanistan.... and more of the residual damage you referred to above....

And didn't tell anyone, including the American public about it......

and havent done anything much to remove the live bombs, which farmers and kids find with their legs when they sre blown off. or depleted uranium iraq cancer spikes. 

you guys know, the list of their atrocities, is long. 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Mark F

[Tracker]

According to Faux News today, the debacle in Afghanistan would never have happened if Trump was in the White House.

[bustamente]

An interesting parallel 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

8 hours ago, bustamente said:

An interesting parallel 

Y'all Queda and Vanilla ISIS....

[blue_gold_84]

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f

Quote

THE HUMAN COST:

American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.

U.S. contractors: 3,846.

Afghan national military and police: 66,000.

Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.

Afghan civilians: 47,245.

Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.

Aid workers: 444.

Journalists: 72.

PAYING FOR A WAR ON CREDIT, NOT IN CASH:

Estimated amount of direct Afghanistan and Iraq war costs that the United States has debt-financed as of 2020: $2 trillion.

Estimated interest costs by 2050: Up to $6.5 trillion.

 

[Mark F]

Pat Tillman.

reading this am that american right wing is celebrating and praising the Taliban.

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Mark F

[17to85]

1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Y'all Queda and Vanilla ISIS....

Talibangelists 

[Goldkobra]

10 hours ago, bustamente said:

An interesting parallel 

Die a hero or live to see yourself become the villain. 

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-afghanistan-43d8f53b35e80ec18c130cd683e1a38f

 

Apparently the number of US military dead is considerably higher. A practice begun in the Bush II era and continued since was to remove seriously/fatally wounded personnel from the field and keep them mechanically alive until in a hospital so that they would not be counted as "operational caualties".

[Tracker]

23 hours ago, do or die said:

Yup, march onwards to the "Iraqi Freedom" operation

RNC removes 2020 page praising Trump's 'historic peace agreement with the Taliban'
   
During the 2020 presidential election, some Republican supporters of then-President Donald Trump attacked now-President Joe Biden as a war hawk who would promote "endless" wars and praised then-President Donald Trump for his "historic peace agreement with the Taliban." But with the Taliban having retaken Afghanistan following the withdrawal of U.S. forces, the Republican National Committee, has — according to The Week's Peter Weber — removed a 2020 Trump campaign web page that slammed Biden as overly hawkish and praised Trump's "peace talks."

In 2020, Trump and then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pushed a plan for removing U.S. forces from Afghanistan — and Pompeo met with Taliban leaders.

On the page that has been removed, Trump supporters in the RNC complained, "Biden has had a history of pushing for endless wars" whereas "Trump has continued to take the lead in peace talks as he signed a historic peace agreement with the Taliban in Afghanistan, which would end America's longest war."

[Mark F]

more consequences from  dimwit donald and friends. Helped by idiots in Israel.

 

"VIENNA, Aug 17 (Reuters) - Iran has accelerated its enrichment of uranium to near weapons-grade, the U.N. atomic watchdog said in a report on Tuesday seen by Reuters, a move raising tensions with the West as both sides seek to resume talks on reviving Tehran's nuclear deal.

Iran increased the purity to which it is refining uranium to 60% fissile purity from 20% in April in response to an explosion and power cut at its Natanz site that damaged output at the main underground enrichment plant there."

 

also, Israel basically pusing Iran in this direction.

looks like Iran intends to get nuclear weapns. who can blame them. next crackpot american president, will attack them, and turn them into Iraq.

 

America has zero credibility as far as honouring international agreements goes. just a piece of paper to them.

 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Mark F

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

Good Question and I was scratching my head a bit as to what fuckery was going on here:

 

 

Then I did some more reading... surprised (NOt Surprised)

 

 

$5 Mil goes a long way...

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Good Question and I was scratching my head a bit as to what fuckery was going on here:

 

 

Then I did some more reading... surprised (NOt Surprised)

 

 

$5 Mil goes a long way...

Another grift right in plain view, they're just piling up.

Freedom from being held accountable and knowing no matter what a certain contingent of people will support and follow (i.e., knuckle draggers and/or grifters) there is no need to hide anything. 

Do what you want say what you want whatever works moment to moment.  

[Tracker]

Family of Man Killed by Kyle Rittenhouse Sues Kenosha Cops
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The family of one of the men killed by Kyle Rittenhouse amid protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last year has filed a lawsuit against police, the Associated Press reports. The family of Anthony Huber, who prosecutors say was fatally shot by Rittenhouse, alleges that police “conspired with” and enabled “armed vigilantes” like Rittenhouse by siding with them over protesters and allowing them to roam freely. Huber, 26, was fatally shot while trying to wrestle Rittenhouse’s rifle away from him. Rittenhouse, who was 17 at the time and has claimed self-defense, was charged with reckless homicide and intentional homicide, endangering safety, and criminal possession of a weapon as a minor. Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, was also fatally shot by Rittenhouse, as was Gaige Grosskreutz, who survived, prosecutors say.

Huber’s family is seeking damages from Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth; Daniel Miskinis, the former City of Kenosha police chief; Eric Larsen, the city’s acting police chief; and other officers. “After he had killed and maimed multiple individuals, Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to a dozen Kenosha police officers, assault rifle in hand, with crowds yelling that he had just killed innocent people,” Anand Swaminathan, the attorney for the family, told the AP. “What did the police do? They spoke to him and let him walk away.”

Family of Man Killed by Kyle Rittenhouse Sues Kenosha Cops (thedailybeast.com)

[Mark F]

"In the 2018 financial year, the United States took in just 62 Syrian refugees."

 

In 2018, 6.7 million Syrians were in other countries after fleeing the conflict.

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/numbers-syrian-refugees-around-world/

Edited August 19, 2021 by Mark F

[FrostyWinnipeg]

 Marjorie Taylor Greene posts video: “Joe Biden, you’re not a president, you’re a piece of ****” https://boingboing.net/2021/08/19/marjorie-taylor-greene-posts-video-joe-biden-youre-not-a-president-youre-a-piece-of-sht.html

[HardCoreBlue]

9 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

 Marjorie Taylor Greene posts video: “Joe Biden, you’re not a president, you’re a piece of ****” https://boingboing.net/2021/08/19/marjorie-taylor-greene-posts-video-joe-biden-youre-not-a-president-youre-a-piece-of-sht.html

Don't matter. Just another millionth example that you can say anything you want to say, do what you want to do, moment to moment without any real consequences as a result.

Social media shaming, 'exposing' means NOTHING, it means look how many likes and followers I get by 'post clever comments', 'breaking news', 'bomb shell', 'see my editorial', 'my new book is out and exposes everything',  etc etc etc.I got to keep my brand going and my blue check mark in place.

'Entrepreneurs' using themselves as the product they are hawking. This approach is not reserved for any one type of group, it runs across the whole spectrum.

Man I'm cynical today.

Go Bombers? 

[Tracker]

GOP Rep. Mo Brooks issues statement against 'dictatorial Socialism' amid apparent right-wing bomb threat
   
As law enforcement was working to defuse a bomb threat outside the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C., on Thursday afternoon, Alabama Republican Rep. Mo Brooks shared an incendiary statement that seemed to express sympathy for the suspect.

U.S. Capitol Police identified the suspect as Floyd Roy Roseberry, a North Carolina man, when he was taken into custody around the time of Brooks' statement. The situation began when the man identified as Roseberry parked his truck on the sidewalk in front of the building and began issuing threats, claiming to have a bomb and explosive materials. Social media videos appeared to show Roseberry at the location with a potentially explosive device, making direct threats to President Joe Biden.

Facebook appeared to take down the page where the video was stream during the hours-long standoff with police, but multiple reports detailed the information it contained. It showed Roseberry as a Trump supporter demanding that Democrats "step down," according to the Daily Beast, and previous videos reportedly showed him protesting Biden's 2020 victory.

"The revolution's on. It's here, it's today," he said. He tried to claim that his actions had "nothing to do with politics," the Beast reported, adding that, "I don't care if Donald Trump ever become president again." But he also said at one point that he thinks Trump will be reinstated and said: " I think y'all Democrats need to step down." He hoped to get a pardon from Trump.

GOP Rep. Mo Brooks issues statement against 'dictatorial Socialism' amid apparent right-wing bomb threat - Alternet.org

[Tracker]

Feds 'deliberately targeted' BLM protesters on orders from Trump and Barr: report
   
The Justice Department "deliberately targeted" supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement with harsh prosecutions at the "express direction" of former President Donald Trump and former Attorney General Bill Barr, according to a new report from the advocacy group Movement for Black Lives.

The report detailed 326 criminal cases brought by federal prosecutors related to last year's protests following the police killings of George Floyd in Minneapolis and Breonna Taylor in Louisville. Federal prosecutors aggressively sought jurisdiction over the cases even though in more than 92% of the cases there were equivalent state-level charges that could have been brought instead, according to a data analysis by the Creating Law Enforcement Accountability & Responsibility (CLEAR) clinic at the City University of New York School of Law. Federal prosecutions result in conviction at much higher rates than state charges and nearly 90% of federal charges filed against protesters carried stiffer penalties than equivalent state charges.

Federal prosecutors "exploited the expansive federal criminal code" to assert jurisdiction over cases that "bore no federal interest," the report said. Prosecutors often cited federal jurisdiction in alleged offenses that happened near federal property, affected property that receives federal funding, or had some tenuous connection to interstate commerce. "The government greatly exaggerated the threat of violence" from protesters, the report said, noting that the "vast majority" of charges were for nonviolent offenses or restricted to property destruction.

Prosecutors in more than 25% of cases also "stacked" charges against defendants with multiple redundant charges stemming from the same act to increase potential sentences or coerce guilty pleas, the report said. The only two violent charges related to murder were brought against counter-protesters who were reportedly members of the far-right Boogaloo Bois.

Feds 'deliberately targeted' BLM protesters on orders from Trump and Barr: report - Alternet.org

[FrostyWinnipeg]

 

 

[JCon]

11 hours ago, Tracker said:

Feds 'deliberately targeted' BLM protesters on orders from Trump and Barr: report
   
The Justice Department "deliberately targeted" supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement with harsh prosecutions at the "express direction" of former President Donald Trump and former Attorney General Bill Barr, according to a new report from the advocacy group Movement for Black Lives.

The report detailed 326 criminal cases brought by federal prosecutors related to last year's protests following the police killings of George Floyd in Minneapolis and Breonna Taylor in Louisville. Federal prosecutors aggressively sought jurisdiction over the cases even though in more than 92% of the cases there were equivalent state-level charges that could have been brought instead, according to a data analysis by the Creating Law Enforcement Accountability & Responsibility (CLEAR) clinic at the City University of New York School of Law. Federal prosecutions result in conviction at much higher rates than state charges and nearly 90% of federal charges filed against protesters carried stiffer penalties than equivalent state charges.

Federal prosecutors "exploited the expansive federal criminal code" to assert jurisdiction over cases that "bore no federal interest," the report said. Prosecutors often cited federal jurisdiction in alleged offenses that happened near federal property, affected property that receives federal funding, or had some tenuous connection to interstate commerce. "The government greatly exaggerated the threat of violence" from protesters, the report said, noting that the "vast majority" of charges were for nonviolent offenses or restricted to property destruction.

Prosecutors in more than 25% of cases also "stacked" charges against defendants with multiple redundant charges stemming from the same act to increase potential sentences or coerce guilty pleas, the report said. The only two violent charges related to murder were brought against counter-protesters who were reportedly members of the far-right Boogaloo Bois.

Feds 'deliberately targeted' BLM protesters on orders from Trump and Barr: report - Alternet.org

Of course they did. Racist garbage.