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[johnzo]

"start the process of decertifying the election, or whatever the correct legal remedy is."

that is some sterling work by trump's attorney there.

[Tracker]

16 hours ago, johnzo said:

"start the process of decertifying the election, or whatever the correct legal remedy is."

that is some sterling work by trump's attorney there.

Because of Trump getting into indefensible legal scrapes and then not paying his attorneys because they did not win or win well enough, no law firm of any note will now accept him as a client. So, he is reduced to hiring the dregs of the law community most of whom are barely competent to argue a parking ticket. 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Biden and or the Democratic Party just needs to sue Trump.

[bustamente]

You peasants keep up the good fight

 

Edited September 20, 2021 by bustamente

[Tracker]

Can we say "hypocrisy", children? 

[17to85]

1 minute ago, Tracker said:

Can we say "hypocrisy", children? 

No they can't, that's the problem with these people.

[JCon]

Nike for me, not for thee. 

[Mark F]

 

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Edited September 20, 2021 by Mark F

[Tracker]

Texas Abortion Doctor Sued For Violating State’s New Abortion Ban

A San Antonio doctor who admitted defying Texas’ new abortion law by performing the procedure on a woman who was more than six weeks pregnant may have to defend his decision in court.

Dr. Alan Braid wrote an essay published Saturday in The Washington Post in which he said he’d performed the abortion on the woman earlier this month, despite the state law that now bans abortion after the sixth week of pregnancy.

The doctor’s goal, besides a “duty of care” to his patient, was to “make sure that Texas didn’t get away with its bid to prevent this blatantly unconstitutional law from being tested,” he wrote in an essay published Saturday in The Washington Post.

Now it looks like Braid will get to say more: An Arkansas man filed a lawsuit against him on Monday, according to The Washington Post. 

Oscar Stilley, a former lawyer convicted of tax fraud in 2010 and serving a 15-year sentence on home confinement, told the paper that, though he is not personally opposed to abortion, he thinks the measure should be subject to judicial review.

“If the law is no good, why should we have to go through a long, drawn-out process to find out if it’s garbage?” Stilley told the Post after filing the complaint in state court in Bexar County, where San Antonio is located.

The new law skirts judicial scrutiny by letting people file civil lawsuits against abortion practitioners and anyone who “aids” in an illegal abortion. Plaintiffs who win in court can receive bounties of at least $10,000, and Stilley admits he wouldn’t mind the cash.

“If the state of Texas decided it’s going to give a $10,000 bounty, why shouldn’t I get that 10,000 bounty?” he said.

Texas Abortion Doctor Sued For Violating State's New Abortion Ban | HuffPost

[Mark F]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Now it looks like Braid will get to say more: An Arkansas man filed a lawsuit against him on Monday, according to The Washington Post. 

Oscar Stilley, a former lawyer convicted of tax fraud in 2010 and serving a 15-year sentence on home confinement, told the paper that, though he is not personally opposed to abortion, he thinks the measure should be subject to judicial review.

so perfectly American.

[wpgallday1960]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Texas Abortion Doctor Sued For Violating State’s New Abortion Ban

A San Antonio doctor who admitted defying Texas’ new abortion law by performing the procedure on a woman who was more than six weeks pregnant may have to defend his decision in court.

Dr. Alan Braid wrote an essay published Saturday in The Washington Post in which he said he’d performed the abortion on the woman earlier this month, despite the state law that now bans abortion after the sixth week of pregnancy.

The doctor’s goal, besides a “duty of care” to his patient, was to “make sure that Texas didn’t get away with its bid to prevent this blatantly unconstitutional law from being tested,” he wrote in an essay published Saturday in The Washington Post.

Now it looks like Braid will get to say more: An Arkansas man filed a lawsuit against him on Monday, according to The Washington Post. 

Oscar Stilley, a former lawyer convicted of tax fraud in 2010 and serving a 15-year sentence on home confinement, told the paper that, though he is not personally opposed to abortion, he thinks the measure should be subject to judicial review.

“If the law is no good, why should we have to go through a long, drawn-out process to find out if it’s garbage?” Stilley told the Post after filing the complaint in state court in Bexar County, where San Antonio is located.

The new law skirts judicial scrutiny by letting people file civil lawsuits against abortion practitioners and anyone who “aids” in an illegal abortion. Plaintiffs who win in court can receive bounties of at least $10,000, and Stilley admits he wouldn’t mind the cash.

“If the state of Texas decided it’s going to give a $10,000 bounty, why shouldn’t I get that 10,000 bounty?” he said.

Texas Abortion Doctor Sued For Violating State's New Abortion Ban | HuffPost

i can see this law being abused well beyond it's purpose.  Have a dispute with your neighbour, report them for driving someone's daughter to an abortion clinic.  By the way, I wonder if Abbott has fully eliminated rape in Texas.

[Mark F]

Just now, wpgallday1960 said:

By the way, I wonder if Abbott has fully eliminated rape in Texas.

hes just been holding off till the timing was right.😂

[wpgallday1960]

10 minutes ago, Mark F said:

hes just been holding off till the timing was right.😂

Do you think he’ll “pull out” in time?

[Tracker]

Why legal experts are so disturbed by a Trump lawyer's 6-point plan to overturn the 2020 election
   
A new CNN report on Monday revealed a memo from a lawyer working with former President Donald Trump that detailed a plan to overturn his loss to Joe Biden on Jan. 6. The report reveals findings from the new book, "Peril," by reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

It included a copy of the memo from conservative law professor John Eastman, showing a six-point plan to leverage then-Vice President Mike Pence's role as the president of the Senate to control Congress's vote counting and throw out the votes of seven states.

This would leave Trump in the lead with 232 Electoral College votes over Biden's 228. Then, according to Eastman, Democrats would let out "howls." (The whole memo shows open contempt for Democrats.) But if they object, he argued, Pence could declare the election inconclusive, at which point it would move into the House. And because Republicans control a majority of the House delegations, they could select Trump to carry out a second term.

"The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session [of Congress] or from the Court," the memo said. "The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind."

Pence, of course, ultimately disagreed with these arguments and refused Trump's pleas to carry out the plan. And despite the insurrection carried out by Trump's followers on the Capitol that day, Pence fulfilled his role as expected, and Congress counted all the Electoral Votes as they were actually awarded, affirming Biden as the winner.

But even though the plan failed, the document remains a disturbing record of the time. It's impossible to know what would have happened if Pence had tried to go along with the plan — there might've been outrage and chaos in the streets, just as there were outbursts of celebration when Biden was declared the winner in November 2020. But if the vice president could just throw out the votes of states he didn't like, it would indisputably be the end of democracy in the United States.

Many legal experts found the document chilling, deeply disturbing, and absurd.

"This 'plan' is laughable, but we shouldn't laugh," said conservative lawyer David French. "If carried out, it would have led to the country's greatest political crisis since April 1861. And Eastman was no mere internet crank. He was a law professor and close to POTUS in the final days."

Steve Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas, agreed: "This memo is horrifying. As is the fact that it was written by a (former) law professor. As is the reporting that Pence agonized over the matter. As is so much else about how close we came to a coup (fine — an autogolpe) on 1/6. As is how little we're doing to respond to it."

Asha Rangappa, who teaches at Yale Law School, called the memo a "sinister plan" that would let "Trump to unconstitutionally grab and hold on to power." She added: "Note, by the way, that he's pretty confident the R's would go along with it until the end."

Why legal experts are so disturbed by a Trump lawyer's 6-point plan to overturn the 2020 election - Alternet.org

 

 

[bustamente]

Everyone associated with the Trump campaign knew that accusations about voting machines and voter irregularities were false and had no merit and yet there are still are supporters still spewing these falsehoods

 

 

 

Edited September 21, 2021 by bustamente

[Mark F]

13 hours ago, bustamente said:

Everyone associated with the Trump campaign knew that accusations about voting machines and voter irregularities were false and had no merit and yet there are still are supporters still spewing these falsehoods

 

 

 

people dont need no stinkin facts, that much is clearer than ever.

 

the government is proceeding against some of them. like rudy. he is wealthy and can afford to pay outstanding lawyers, to slow it down, and maybe  find flaws in the case against rudy.

he might well drag it out till hes dead.

 

Edited September 22, 2021 by Mark F

[the watcher]

17 hours ago, Tracker said:

Why legal experts are so disturbed by a Trump lawyer's 6-point plan to overturn the 2020 election
   
A new CNN report on Monday revealed a memo from a lawyer working with former President Donald Trump that detailed a plan to overturn his loss to Joe Biden on Jan. 6. The report reveals findings from the new book, "Peril," by reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

It included a copy of the memo from conservative law professor John Eastman, showing a six-point plan to leverage then-Vice President Mike Pence's role as the president of the Senate to control Congress's vote counting and throw out the votes of seven states.

This would leave Trump in the lead with 232 Electoral College votes over Biden's 228. Then, according to Eastman, Democrats would let out "howls." (The whole memo shows open contempt for Democrats.) But if they object, he argued, Pence could declare the election inconclusive, at which point it would move into the House. And because Republicans control a majority of the House delegations, they could select Trump to carry out a second term.

"The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session [of Congress] or from the Court," the memo said. "The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind."

Pence, of course, ultimately disagreed with these arguments and refused Trump's pleas to carry out the plan. And despite the insurrection carried out by Trump's followers on the Capitol that day, Pence fulfilled his role as expected, and Congress counted all the Electoral Votes as they were actually awarded, affirming Biden as the winner.

But even though the plan failed, the document remains a disturbing record of the time. It's impossible to know what would have happened if Pence had tried to go along with the plan — there might've been outrage and chaos in the streets, just as there were outbursts of celebration when Biden was declared the winner in November 2020. But if the vice president could just throw out the votes of states he didn't like, it would indisputably be the end of democracy in the United States.

Many legal experts found the document chilling, deeply disturbing, and absurd.

"This 'plan' is laughable, but we shouldn't laugh," said conservative lawyer David French. "If carried out, it would have led to the country's greatest political crisis since April 1861. And Eastman was no mere internet crank. He was a law professor and close to POTUS in the final days."

Steve Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas, agreed: "This memo is horrifying. As is the fact that it was written by a (former) law professor. As is the reporting that Pence agonized over the matter. As is so much else about how close we came to a coup (fine — an autogolpe) on 1/6. As is how little we're doing to respond to it."

Asha Rangappa, who teaches at Yale Law School, called the memo a "sinister plan" that would let "Trump to unconstitutionally grab and hold on to power." She added: "Note, by the way, that he's pretty confident the R's would go along with it until the end."

Why legal experts are so disturbed by a Trump lawyer's 6-point plan to overturn the 2020 election - Alternet.org

 

 

It's really shocking that Mike Pence of all people may have saved the USA's democracy ........even if it is temporary......And even if it isn't a real democracy..........sh#t , never mind.

[Mark F]

29 minutes ago, the watcher said:

It's really shocking that Mike Pence of all people may have saved the USA's democracy ........even if it is temporary......And even if it isn't a real democracy..........sh#t , never mind.

it is also shocking that there seems to be little will to do anything to Trump. so far, next to nothing.

very hard to understand that.

even if he can slip and slide and cheat his way out of consequences, at least make a full blast attempt to bring him to justice.

American system ......seems to be thoroughly corrupted. all they have is bernie, aoc, a few others, fighting decades of it.

Edited September 22, 2021 by Mark F

[JCon]

30 minutes ago, Mark F said:

it is also shocking that there seems to be little will to do anything to Trump. so far, next to nothing.

very hard to understand that.

even if he can slip and slide and cheat his way out of consequences, at least make a full blast attempt to bring him to justice.

American system ......seems to be thoroughly corrupted. all they have is bernie, aoc, a few others, fighting decades of it.

The whole system is a complete joke. Top to bottom, not the least their judiciary system. They're lucky they invest so much in post-secondary education or they would be a true 2nd world country. 

[TrueBlue4ever]

38 minutes ago, Mark F said:

it is also shocking that there seems to be little will to do anything to Trump. so far, next to nothing.

very hard to understand that.

even if he can slip and slide and cheat his way out of consequences, at least make a full blast attempt to bring him to justice.

American system ......seems to be thoroughly corrupted. all they have is bernie, aoc, a few others, fighting decades of it.

Maybe the Dems feel that if they attack him and eliminate him politically through incarceration, it would please their base but not motivate them to get out to the polls in the future, while it would completely alienate the conservative base and fuel a payback at the polls. Also, Trump’s track record is losing the popular vote twice, losing the House, and then losing the Presidency and the Senate, so why get rid of a loser opponent? If he runs they can count on a huge anti-Trump vote again, and if he doesn’t then he is the sleeping bear that did not poke, and the Republicans would likely split between the moderate faction and the Cruz, Gaetz, Boebert, MTG full-on MAGA buy-in crowd, opening a bigger path for the Dems (wonder if they would go so far as to start a 3rd party?). 
 

Or it’s just typical Democrat spinelessness to stand up in the face of bad faith politics and “hope” their “we go high” morality wins out, which it never seems to have in the past. 

[JCon]

I don't see the Dems going at Trump. They know he's poison. But, they'll let the "independent" judiciary do so. 

[the watcher]

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

it is also shocking that there seems to be little will to do anything to Trump. so far, next to nothing.

very hard to understand that.

even if he can slip and slide and cheat his way out of consequences, at least make a full blast attempt to bring him to justice.

American system ......seems to be thoroughly corrupted. all they have is bernie, aoc, a few others, fighting decades of it.

As much as Democratic leaders and  half  of Americans hate Trump what they really fear and panic over is Bernie Sanders. When he was making a real push to lead the Democrats big money came in to squash that.And that's on the Democratic Party. They set the stage for Trump. Lifetimes of fear mongering of socialist ideas (that the rest if the world has adopted as standard practice and human decency ) have brainwashed Americans. Alot of it is not accidental.

Edited September 22, 2021 by the watcher

[Bigblue204]

I've been saying it since he was elected. Trump will never see the inside of a jail cell. He knows the game too well and has too many resources to help him....especially now being an ex president. 

[Eternal optimist]

50 minutes ago, the watcher said:

As much as Democratic leaders and  half  of Americans hate Trump what they really fear and panic over is Bernie Sanders. When he was making a real push to lead the Democrats big money came in to squash that.And that's on the Democratic Party. They set the stage for Trump. Lifetimes of fear mongering of socialist ideas (that the rest if the world has adopted as standard practice and human decency ) have brainwashed Americans. Alot of it is not accidental.

In the immortal words of George Carlin - "It's called the American dream, because  you have to be asleep to believe it." (though I highly doubt he coined the phrase, he certainly said it in one of his comedy specials.

[itchy]

50 minutes ago, the watcher said:

As much as Democratic leaders and  half  of Americans hate Trump what they really fear and panic over is Bernie Sanders. When he was making a real push to lead the Democrats big money came in to squash that.And that's on the Democratic Party. They set the stage for Trump. Lifetimes of fear mongering of socialist ideas (that the rest if the world has adopted as standard practice and human decency ) have brainwashed Americans. Alot of it is not accidental.

Watched Fahrenheit  11/9 last night as I felt up to diving into that for some reason. Going in I thought it would be a slam on Trump, but I came away with a much better understanding of the role the Dems played in creating the cesspool.  From the dirty politics behind the scenes, "compromising", screwing Sanders for Clinton, unaccepting of AOC and her like, creating apathy among voters, and being just as betrothed to big $$$, if not more.