US Politics

[Sard]

5 hours ago, bustamente said:

It's incredible that a country like the United States lets people dress up like this and play war all these cos play idiots cry like babies when they get sentenced

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Proud Boys are basically white supremacists right?  If that's the case, why isn't their leader white???  Or am I missing something?

[Tracker]

9 hours ago, Sard said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Proud Boys are basically white supremacists right?  If that's the case, why isn't their leader white???  Or am I missing something?

Proud Boys are a neo-fascist group which is predominantly white supremist, but do not discount the desire for power to motivate people to align themselves with groups hostile to them, There was an African Nazi contingent in WW2 and people of Jewish background there as well.

[bigg jay]

9 hours ago, Sard said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Proud Boys are basically white supremacists right?  If that's the case, why isn't their leader white???  Or am I missing something?

A lot of people like Tarrio (Cuban decent, living in Florida) are very right-wing/militant based on their own history (or their family history) in Cuba.  Based on what happened to them under Castro, they want nothing to do with the "left". 

 

[Mark F]

40 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

they want nothing to do with the "left". 

 

also,  probably  some version of catholic.  

Edited September 6, 2023 by Mark F

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, bigg jay said:

A lot of people likecan he Tarrio (Cuban decent, living in Florida) are very right-wing/militant based on their own history (or their family history) in Cuba.  Based on what happened to them under Castro, they want nothing to do with the "left". 

 

The majority of Cubans are OK with the current, admittedly authoritarian, regime. They live longer, have lower infant/maternal morbidity and mortality than Americans, few ghettos and violent crimes and can access medical care within 24 hours. When Castro came to power, the mafia was on the verge of establishing a dictatorship and drugs as well as underage prostitution were appearing openly on the streets of Havana. Castro was hugely popular, at least at first, but became hardened after the CIA tried several times to kill him and created the infamous Bay of Pigs invasion. The embargo by the US as punishment drove Castro into the arms of Russia. When Castro came to power, he nationalized many of the huge private and corporate estates and farms, so that alienated much of the rich, who left for Florida and have been simmering since. That said, the young people long to have the fantasy American lifestyle of what they think the youth of America have.

[Mark F]

4 minutes ago, Tracker said:

The embargo by the US

Ended by Obama, and stupidly put back by Trump.

Trump gets.  everything wrong. Every single thing.

[Tracker]

5 minutes ago, Mark F said:

Ended by Obama, and stupidly put back by Trump.

Trump gets.  everything wrong. Every single thing.

To make things interesting, Trump in sworn testimony, stated that any corporate dealings like over valuing properties and lying to creditors (both illegal) was done when Eric Trump was allegedly running the business. So, in essence Trump has thrown his son under the bus.

[17to85]

8 minutes ago, Mark F said:

Ended by Obama, and stupidly put back by Trump.

Trump gets.  everything wrong. Every single thing.

[HardCoreBlue]

9 minutes ago, Mark F said:

Ended by Obama, and stupidly put back by Trump.

Trump gets.  everything wrong. Every single thing.

That's supported by millions and millions of Americans and others worldwide.

That's the most depressing and scary part.

 

[Wideleft]

2 hours ago, Tracker said:

To make things interesting, Trump in sworn testimony, stated that any corporate dealings like over valuing properties and lying to creditors (both illegal) was done when Eric Trump was allegedly running the business. So, in essence Trump has thrown his son under the bus.

Old man Trump was doing the same thing in the 60's as per NYT.  They've all done it.

[voodoochylde]

Pruned a few posts here.

Keep the discussion civil and above board please. 

[Tracker]

Huckabee slammed for 'calling for civil war' and saying elections may be decided by 'bullets' if Trump loses

-David BadashandThe New Civil Rights MovementSeptember 06, 2023
Former Arkansas Republican governor Mike Huckabee on Wednesday appeared to issue a threat of violence, according to some critics, if legal issues prevent Donald Trump from winning the 2024 presidential election.

Huckabee, a political commentator, ordained Baptist minister, twice-failed Republican presidential candidate, anti-LGBTQ activist, and the father of current Arkansas Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders, said on his Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) show Wednesday that future elections will be decided by “bullets” not “ballots” if Trump – who is facing 91 criminal felony charges in four indictments across three jurisdictions – does not win back the White House due to legal entanglements.
“Do you know how political opponents to those in power are dealt with in third world dictatorships, banana republics, and communist regimes?” Huckabee, a far-right wing religious extremist, asked his audience. “Well, it’s simple. The people in power use their police agencies to arrest their opponents for made up crimes in an attempt to discredit them, bankrupt them, imprison them, exile them, or all of the above.”

“And if you’re not paying attention,” Huckabee continued, “you may not realize that Joe Biden is using exactly those tactics to make sure that Donald Trump is not his opponent in 2024. Here’s the problem: if these tactics end up working to keep Trump from winning, or even running in 2024, it is going to be the last American election that will be decided by ballots rather than bullets.”

Critics blasted Huckabee.

“Personally, I think my governor should denounce these remarks made by her father, a former governor of the same state, in defense of her former boss’s attempt to overthrow American democracy,” said columnist Alan Elrod, co-founder, president, and CEO of The Pulaski Institution.

“Republicans politicians continue to push the narrative that if they lose, violence is the only option. When will the media start making a bigger deal about this?” observed marketing executive Tim Fullerton.

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Well-known anti-gun activist Fred Guttenberg, whose daughter Jaime was murdered during the Parkland school mass shooting, slammed Huckabee as “a domestic terrorist who has gotten away with using religion for too many years while pushing hate and violence. His most recent comments should be taken seriously and result in his arrest.”

“Mike Huckabee is the worst of us,” declared author John Pavlovitz.

[17to85]

First Republicans tried to kill their base with covid, now they are outright begging to get them killed in a "civil war".... this has to be some kind of bet regarding how obvious to they have to be before the morons will stop supporting them.

[Mark F]

read a few minutes on wikipedia and others, about the white racist vote. southern strategy.

the idea that they are republicans, their grandparents were republicans, and their kids are republicans isn't quite right

at one point they were democrats, and moved back and forth between whatever party was most bigoted.

they were Democratic till the passage of the civil rights laws in the sixties, then went Republican.

 

 

 

[Wideleft]

26 minutes ago, Mark F said:

read a few minutes on wikipedia and others, about the white racist vote. southern strategy.

the idea that they are republicans, their grandparents were republicans, and their kids are republicans isn't quite right

at one point they were democrats, and moved back and forth between whatever party was most bigoted.

they were Democratic till the passage of the civil rights laws in the sixties, then went Republican.

 

Single-issue voters can't really be considered politically-minded.  Society is far too complicated for them to comprehend, which is why you see wedge issues predominantly weaponized by right-wing parties to court their vote.  Abortion, parental rights, crime, taxes, gun rights, immigration etc. seem to take their turn depending on how the wind is blowing every 4 years.

[Mark F]

  If it wasn’t filled  and plastered all over with bullshyt it just wouldn’t be “American”

 

“A recent Wall Street Journal poll announced that most voters think Joe Biden is too old to be president for a second term—and a 2024 matchup between Biden and Donald Trump would be evenly split. The poll has since been covered across multiple mainstream media outlets, including MSNBC, CNN, and Fox.

 

But the Journal neglects to provide information about one of the men behind the poll. Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio conducted the survey in partnership with a Democratic colleague, Michael Bocian. In a separate piece, the Journal acknowledged that Fabrizio “works for a super PAC supporting Trump’s candidacy.”

What the Journal does not mention anywhere is that Fabrizio also worked as the chief pollster on Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. And since the start of 2023, Trump’s super PAC, Make America Great Again Inc., has paid Fabrizio’s company more than $567,000, according to FEC filings.”

😂

Country be damned ….Got to have that horse race. 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Mark F

[bustamente]

Everyone knows that Jordan and Comer for that matter are idiots

 

[HardCoreBlue]

3 hours ago, bustamente said:

Everyone knows that Jordan and Comer for that matter are idiots

 

I’d put an adjective in front of the word idiots: Dangerous.

[bustamente]

10 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I’d put an adjective in front of the word idiots: Dangerous.

The whole Republican party is full of dangerous and power hungry imbeciles.

[Goalie]

2 hours ago, bustamente said:

The whole Republican party is full of dangerous and power hungry imbeciles.

Democrats down there are the same 

[HardCoreBlue]

11 hours ago, Goalie said:

Democrats down there are the same 

To paraphrase @17to85 show your work to support the use of the word same. Not just examples and links but a narrative of those examples and links that describe equal gravity of dangerousness and stupidity.

[17to85]

Don't make me explain again how this both sides crap is exactly what the bad faith actors in politics want. 

 

[the watcher]

Discussions on US politics aren't simple.  Neither " Democrats are just as  bad " or " It's all because of the Republicans " are correct  (or wrong for that matter) . Regardless Chomsky dives into it. We don't have many years left of this icon.

Edited September 8, 2023 by the watcher

[FrostyWinnipeg]

 

[the watcher]

2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

 

I wonder if Shamp the prophet ( sounds like a good wrestling name ) ever thought to warn Hawaii  when he had his magical vision. 

By the way I'm foreseeing a stock market crash...... In the fall of 1929 I believe.