Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, pigseye said: It's a complete gong show on both sides. Elections decide who governs, not the politicians. True true. But the justice system decides who goes to prison.
The Unknown Poster Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 1 minute ago, pigseye said: It's a complete gong show on both sides. Elections decide who governs, not the politicians. I think you need to brush up on the Constitution. Congress has an absolute obligation to be a check & balance on the President and to investigate potential crimes and if evidence exists, to bring that to the public and end his presidency. Are you suggesting Congress should not have investigated Watergate or the Clintons either? The only reason this seems like a gong show is the absolute mess of a President Trump has been and the sheer volume of improper acts on his part. You cant possibly be suggesting that a criminal get a pass because he's not a little bit criminal, he's so criminal that the whole thing is so insane...and thus they should let it slide?
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: True true. But the justice system decides who goes to prison. This isn't the justice system at work though, it's partisan politics. blue_gold_84 1
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: I think you need to brush up on the Constitution. Congress has an absolute obligation to be a check & balance on the President and to investigate potential crimes and if evidence exists, to bring that to the public and end his presidency. Are you suggesting Congress should not have investigated Watergate or the Clintons either? The only reason this seems like a gong show is the absolute mess of a President Trump has been and the sheer volume of improper acts on his part. You cant possibly be suggesting that a criminal get a pass because he's not a little bit criminal, he's so criminal that the whole thing is so insane...and thus they should let it slide? I would agree if the focus was on his time as president, but it doesn't seem to be, they seem to want to investigate his life which does border on harassment more than anything.
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, pigseye said: This isn't the justice system at work though, it's partisan politics. Interesting- so you think trump should get a pass? And govern in an unchecked capacity because he was elected ?
do or die Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 If in the past, Trump has committed bank, tax or insurance fraud........no particular reason why the State of New York, should not investigate. We like to think that these laws, on either side of the border, apply to everyone. If Trump has committed any felonies as President - it certainly is the business of the Congress, who are tasked under the Constitution, to provide oversight. bustamente 1
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 Just now, wanna-b-fanboy said: Interesting- so you think trump should get a pass? And govern in an unchecked capacity because he was elected ? I never said he should get a pass, if he used the office of the president to commit crimes then he should be accountable, if there is evidence of it, then it should lead to wider investigation and maybe even his business dealings before he was president. Thus far, I haven't seen any indication that there are any charges coming against him for abusing the office of the president.
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 1 minute ago, do or die said: If Trump has committed any felonies as President - it certainly is the business of the Congress, who are tasked under the Constitution, to provide oversight. There has to be evidence of those felonies before you rush ahead with an investigation too, any idea what he is actually been investigated for? Or is this another throw **** at the wall and see what sticks road we are going down?
17to85 Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 That's why they are investigating.... They know he committed crimes on the campaign, there is a pile of evidence he colluded with a foreign power to win an election, why is that not the governments job to investigate it? Guy is a criminal plain and simple and he sits in the presidents office. Investigate the hell out of him and see if the president is in fact compromised by foreign powers. Seems the exact type of thing that the other branches of government should be investigating. bustamente, The Unknown Poster and Wanna-B-Fanboy 3
The Unknown Poster Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, pigseye said: I would agree if the focus was on his time as president, but it doesn't seem to be, they seem to want to investigate his life which does border on harassment more than anything. You'd have to be incredibly partisan to think this is harassment. Thats simply repeating Trump's nonsensical talking points. The reason President's release their tax returns is, in part, to show they are not beholden to any person or corporation. There is plenty of evidence and speculation to wonder about Trump. You're basically saying, sure if he was a crook before he became President, its okay. Thats absurd. If Congress was investigating Clinton you'd be all for it. That's the real partisan politics. What Congress is doing now is exactly their job. And its why they have the power to do it. bustamente and Wanna-B-Fanboy 2
The Unknown Poster Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 54 minutes ago, pigseye said: There has to be evidence of those felonies before you rush ahead with an investigation too, any idea what he is actually been investigated for? Or is this another throw **** at the wall and see what sticks road we are going down? Ummmm lol So if someone commits murder but there is not clear and obvious evidence that they are 100% guilty, then the police should not investigate? lol That's ridiculous. They have Trump's former lawyer on record pointing to many potential criminal acts. They did not put the cart before the horse at all. They are now doing what an investigative body does, it follows the evidence. You seem to be arguing that Trump is guilty but it should be okay to be guilty because Congress shouldn't be allowed to investigate him. If the evidence shows no wrong-doing, he will be fine. But the reason people are so upset is because they know what Congress will find. Not to mention Mueller's investigations and the SDNY. I mean, how corrupt does a President have to be before it's okay to take a look at him?
bustamente Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 Trump should be held responsible from the first day he announced he would run for the Republican nomination again this is a guy who wanted to know if he could pardon himself on top of claiming that his tax returns were being audited which is false, add that his son in law wanted to set up a back channel to the Russians on top of all the mistakes and omissions he made on his sf-86 security form. Smoke = Fire The Unknown Poster 1
Mark F Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 (edited) Trump's most dangerous move by far, is transferring nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. "The Saudis have so far refused to rule out their right to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons" This is completely nuts. Edited March 5, 2019 by Mark F blue_gold_84 1
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 1 hour ago, 17to85 said: That's why they are investigating.... They know he committed crimes on the campaign, there is a pile of evidence he colluded with a foreign power to win an election, why is that not the governments job to investigate it? Guy is a criminal plain and simple and he sits in the presidents office. Investigate the hell out of him and see if the president is in fact compromised by foreign powers. Seems the exact type of thing that the other branches of government should be investigating. Mueller is already investigating much of that and the NY AG is investigating his prior dealings before becoming president, what more is there?
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: You'd have to be incredibly partisan to think this is harassment. Thats simply repeating Trump's nonsensical talking points. The reason President's release their tax returns is, in part, to show they are not beholden to any person or corporation. There is plenty of evidence and speculation to wonder about Trump. You're basically saying, sure if he was a crook before he became President, its okay. Thats absurd. If Congress was investigating Clinton you'd be all for it. That's the real partisan politics. What Congress is doing now is exactly their job. And its why they have the power to do it. Mueller and the NY AG are already investigating everything there is. Trump will be found guilty of something at some point, of that I am sure. There is no reason whatsoever for the Dems to being investigating as well other for partisan politics.
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 45 minutes ago, bustamente said: Trump should be held responsible from the first day he announced he would run for the Republican nomination again this is a guy who wanted to know if he could pardon himself on top of claiming that his tax returns were being audited which is false, add that his son in law wanted to set up a back channel to the Russians on top of all the mistakes and omissions he made on his sf-86 security form. Smoke = Fire Isn't that what Mueller has been doing for the past two years?
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mark F said: Trump's most dangerous move by far, is transferring nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. "The Saudis have so far refused to rule out their right to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons" This is completely nuts. But giving Iran nukes is okay?
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 Just now, pigseye said: But giving Iran nukes is okay? Wait... what? who's giving Iran Nukes? And why the deflection? blue_gold_84 and Mark F 1 1
do or die Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 Somehow Hillary must of got the uranium to Iran.... Mark F, JCon and Wanna-B-Fanboy 3
blue_gold_84 Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Wait... what? who's giving Iran Nukes? And why the deflection? It must've been Obama. Mark F 1
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Wait... what? who's giving Iran Nukes? And why the deflection? the UN, by lifting the economic sanctions that was preventing them from doing so. The deal Hiliary and Obama signed and now everyone else is left cleaning up the mess that is coming.
pigseye Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, do or die said: Somehow Hillary must of got the uranium to Iran.... It's her signature on the deal isn't it?
do or die Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 23 minutes ago, pigseye said: It's her signature on the deal isn't it? The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action was signed in July 2015 by: Islamic Republic of Iran China France Russia United Kingdom United States of America (Obama signed it) Germany The European Union Hillary worked on it for about a year and a half.....and left 2 years before the deal was signed Wanna-B-Fanboy and blue_gold_84 2
JCon Posted March 5, 2019 Report Posted March 5, 2019 1 minute ago, do or die said: The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action was signed in July 2015 by: Islamic Republic of Iran China France Russia United Kingdom United States of America (Obama signed it) GermanyHilary's emails The European Union Hillary worked on it for about a year and a half.....and left 2 years before the deal was signed You forgot one. blue_gold_84, Wanna-B-Fanboy and Mark F 3
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