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3 minutes ago, do or die said:

Trump last week:

"Anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful,"

There really is no way to defend the orange goblin.  Even if you were an alt right nut, you'd realize enough is enough and its time to move on to someone capable.

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29 minutes ago, do or die said:

59.0%, provided you admit that you are a rogue agent of somebody, anybody

Ah you think the Deep State is your ally? You merely adopted the Deep State. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!

Agreed, 59%. 

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1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

If Trump did choose to block testing to artificially keep results low to help himself, that's inexcusable and should lead to a resignation.  No defense for that.

Eh, not a chance he'll ever resign. That'd require holding himself accountable. And if his presidency thus far has taught us anything, he'll never do that. His speech the other night summed it up well: blame others, use hyperbole and misinformation, make errors, offer no viable solutions, and not allay worry. All the opposite of what the so-called leader of the free world should do at such a trying time.

If he wanted a challenge as POTUS, he got it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-defining-crisis-1.5496203

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8 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

But wasn't it just a big hoax by the crooked dems and the fake news media?

It's a big hoax by the media and the Democrats and it's also an attack by the Chinese (Or North Koreans). So, it's everything. Although, if it is an attack, as suggested by the alt-right, why hasn't Trump acted sooner? You would think that an attack would deserve a response? 

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14 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Interesting logic there - all theories are true, regardless of lack of evidence, and it’s the job of the skeptic to disprove it, not the job of the theorist to justify their theory, it must be inherently accepted unless definitively disproven. So even though the hard data available solidly discredits your 90% claim, unless I can show that the data in existence is ALL the data in existence, you can claim that the speculative and so far undiscovered data would support your assumption, and since I can’t disprove it your hypothesis wins out (the “disprove a negative” approach). 
 

OK, let me dip my toe into that rabbit hole you’d like me to go down. If I heard a rumour that Pigseye likes having sex with barnyard animals - I mean come on, his board name is “Pigseye”, so that’s gotta be a dead giveaway that this guy likes to ride the hog, if you know what I mean - then that hypothesis is inherently true unless you could definitively disprove it. I mean, I’m not saying I have proof Pigseye likes to sodomize razorbacks, I’m just saying there’s no evidence out there that he doesn’t, and so if that rumour was out there, then it’s totally on him to disprove that embarrassing allegation. Because you can only disprove the hypothesis. 
 

So good luck with that one. 

I never claimed it was a fact did I? You jumped to that conclusion all on your own despite me saying a few times that it was a best guess. You created a straw man argument with yourself. 

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Below is a timeline of Trump’s comments discussing the threat posed by the virus. Compiled by the Washington Post and various Twitter feeds -

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control.”

Jan. 24: “It will all work out well.”

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Jan. 29: “Just received a briefing on the Coronavirus in China from all of our GREAT agencies, who are also working closely with China. We will continue to monitor the ongoing developments. We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!”

 

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”

Feb. 2: “Well, we pretty much shut it down coming in from China. … We can’t have thousands of people coming in who may have this problem, the coronavirus. So we’re gonna see what happens, but we did shut it down, yes.”

Feb. 7: “Nothing is easy, but [Chinese President Xi Jinping] … will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”

“....he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!”

Feb. 10: “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.”

Feb. 14: “We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape.”

Feb. 19: “I think it’s going to work out fine. I think when we get into April, in the warmer weather, that has a very negative effect on that and that type of a virus. So let’s see what happens, but I think it’s going to work out fine.”

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb. 25: “You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”

“CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus, including the very early closing of our borders to certain areas of the world.”

 

Feb. 26: “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

“Q: This is spreading — or is going to spread, maybe, within communities. That’s the expectation.

A: It may. It may.

Q: Does that worry you?

A: No. ... No, because we’re ready for it. It is what it is. We’re ready for it. We’re really prepared. ... We hope it doesn’t spread. There’s a chance that it won’t spread too, and there’s a chance that it will, and then it’s a question of at what level.”

“We’re going very substantially down, not up.”

Feb. 27: “Only a very small number in U.S., & China numbers look to be going down. All countries working well together!”

 

Feb. 28: “I think it’s really going well. We did something very fortunate: we closed up to certain areas of the world very, very early — far earlier than we were supposed to. I took a lot of heat for doing it. It turned out to be the right move, and we only have 15 people and they are getting better, and hopefully they’re all better. There’s one who is quite sick, but maybe he’s gonna be fine. … We’re prepared for the worst, but we think we’re going to be very fortunate."

“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

 

Feb. 29: “We’re the number-one travel destination anywhere in the world, yet we have far fewer cases of the disease than even countries with much less travel or a much smaller population.”

March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don’t think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on Corona?”

“A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”

March 4: “Some people will have this at a very light level and won’t even go to a doctor or hospital, and they’ll get better. There are many people like that.”

“If you have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work – some of them go to work, but they get better.”

March 5: “I NEVER said that people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

 “With approximately 100,000 CoronaVirus cases worldwide, and 3,280 deaths, the United States, because of quick action on closing our borders, has, as of now, only 129 cases (40 Americans brought in) and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

March 6: “We did an interview on Fox last night, a town hall. I think it was very good. And I said, ‘Calm. You have to be calm. It’ll go away.' ”

“I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

“Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful… the tests are perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

“I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors said ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for President.”

“I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault”

March 7: “It came out of China, and we heard about it. And made a good move: We closed it down; we stopped it. Otherwise — the head of CDC said last night that you would have thousands of more problems if we didn’t shut it down very early. That was a very early shutdown, which is something we got right."

March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine-tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

March 9: “The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, ‘The risk is low to the average American.’ ”

“So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

“This blindsided the world.”

March 10: “As you know, it’s about 600 cases, it’s about 26 deaths, within our country. And had we not acted quickly, that number would have been substantially more.”

“And it hit the world. And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

March 11: “I think we’re going to get through it very well.”

March 12: “It’s going to go away. ... The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”

March 13: “Topic: CoronaVirus!”

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