The Unknown Poster Posted August 21, 2017 Report Posted August 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: For some it is IMHO. When did you choose to be straight?
FrostyWinnipeg Posted August 21, 2017 Report Posted August 21, 2017 1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said: When did you choose to be straight? When i chose to?
The Unknown Poster Posted August 21, 2017 Report Posted August 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: When i chose to? Weird. A complete lie. But weird. Goalie 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Posted August 21, 2017 This is a no win subject that just leads to divisiveness here. StevetheClub 1
bearpants Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 21 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: I had to check if it was 2017. Yup, it is (CNN)Sam Clovis, Donald Trump's pick to be chief scientist for the Department of Agriculture, has argued that homosexuality is a choice and that the sanctioning of same-sex marriage could lead to the legalization of pedophilia, a CNN KFile review of Clovis' writings, radio broadcasts, and speeches has found. It is incredible that it is 2017 and there still people this ignorant... a lot of people, sadly... Jacquie, Mark F, JCon and 1 other 4
The Unknown Poster Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: This is a no win subject that just leads to divisiveness here. Which is very sad. Then again, some think the earth is flat. Which can lead to a lot of divisiveness. Also, we live in a world where the President of the United States feels both sides in the Nazi's vs Non-Nazi debate were at fault.
basslicker Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 2 hours ago, bearpants said: It is incredible that it is 2017 and there still people this ignorant... a lot of people, sadly... There has actually been attempts to normalize pedophilia. Salon.com had not one, but two articles on how we should 'understand pedophiles'. They have since removed it, probably because they received angry mail I hope. Other articles were written saying Salon should not have removed it.
basslicker Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Which is very sad. Then again, some think the earth is flat. Which can lead to a lot of divisiveness. Also, we live in a world where the President of the United States feels both sides in the Nazi's vs Non-Nazi debate were at fault. It's not Nazi's v. non-Nazis. It's Nazis v. Communists, and in that fight you don't choose sides. This is what befell 1930's Germany. The Nazis (left-wing national socialists) played off the people's fear of the communists. The neo-Nazis and AntiFa are both violent, extremist losers who are nothing but trouble for society. In a battle of fascists (AntiFa act more like fascists than anyone) and Nazis, both need to be hit by an asteroid. We need to acknowledge violence by all who propagate it. Edited August 22, 2017 by basslicker The Unknown Poster 1
The Unknown Poster Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, basslicker said: It's not Nazi's v. non-Nazis. It's Nazis v. Communists, and in that fight you don't choose sides. The neo-Nazis and AntiFa are both violent, extremist losers who are nothing but trouble for society. In a battle of fascists (AntiFa act more like fascists than anyone) ands Nazis, both need to be hit by an asteroid. uh huh yogi and Goalie 2
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) On 8/21/2017 at 0:54 PM, FrostyWinnipeg said: When i chose to? You know that you are gay when you are sexually attracted to people of one's own sex or involving or characterized by sexual attraction between people of the same sex. Not when you **** some one of the same sex. So if you choose not to **** some one of the same sex, but are still attracted to someone of the same sex... you're still gay. You can choose whether or not to act on the impulse, not the impulse itself. Edited August 23, 2017 by wanna-b-fanboy The Unknown Poster 1
FrostyWinnipeg Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 Another great speech by Trump tonight. He is a dumpster fire that Repubs are roasting marshmallows over.
The Unknown Poster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 It's really odd that Trump equates monuments to a losing side in a war predominantly over slavery as being his culture and history. But whatever. More talk of invoking the 25th tonight. But I think people don't realize what that entails. It's not just that the majority of cabinet and the VP have to invoke, which might be possible, but Trump would then contest it to congress where they'd need a majority to uphold it. I believe congress would essentially investigate but I don't know if it would be be a public hearing. Depending on what secrets could come out Trump might not do that. And he would likely not risk losing. But I don't think he would. Too many republicans are afraid of angering their alt right base. If enough cabinet and republicans get to the point to even consider tbe 25th, they might have more luck just convincing Trump to resign "on his own terms".
Goalie Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Trump will quit before hes impeached. He will talk of how he Did all he could to MAGA and probably blame the media Edited August 23, 2017 by Goalie The Unknown Poster 1
The Unknown Poster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Goalie said: Trump will quit before hes impeached. He will talk of how he Did all he could to MAGA and probably blame the media I agree. I figured he'd decline to seek reelection. Although I can't imagine he makes it through another three years. I think he quits at some point. Im not even sure the 25th is appropriate in this case. Although impeachment would be if congress so deems it. If mueller comes up with something they will be the next big step. Trump might try to pardon himself which I think would fail. He might try to pardon others in a quid pro quo effort to have them take the fall. But mueller is probably effective enough to limit that possibility. Lastly it leaves a Nixon deal where Trump quits to elevate pence in return for a pardon.
bearpants Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 8 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said: Congress would essentially investigate but I don't know if it would be be a public hearing. Depending on what secrets could come out Trump might not do that. And he would likely not risk losing. But I don't think he would. Too many republicans are afraid of angering their alt right base. Translated: we don't want to impeach the president b/c we are concerned it might upset our Nazi voter base... this is a real thing and it's 2017... The Unknown Poster 1
The Unknown Poster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 41 minutes ago, bearpants said: Translated: we don't want to impeach the president b/c we are concerned it might upset our Nazi voter base... this is a real thing and it's 2017... Yup. You already have far too many Republicans that refuse to speak out against Trump. I read an interesting take on the 25th and how using it to remove Trump would violate the spirit of the thing. And that if the Republicans ever get to the point of removal, they should impeach rather then 25. The mid terms will be a big deal. if enough people re-elect Republicans to control of Congress, get used to Trump.
do or die Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Trump holding another of these cult rallies. So what did he accomplish, with this one. Managed to insult both Republican conservative Senators in their home state. Stated that the media is an enemy of the people. He attacked networks individually by name for about 10 min. He doubted the media he attacked "loved America." Spent 15 minutes lying his ass off, about Charlotteville, rehashing his former statements, and (of course) leaving out the key quotes..... "both sides" and "some good people marching there" Only equated violence with anti-racist demonstrators. Threatened to tear up NAFTA, if he didn't get what he wanted from Canada and Mexico Made a game out of whether he would or wouldn't pardon racist profiler ole Sheriff Joe. Got to expound a bit more, on his favorite subject - himself Threatened to shut down the federal government, over his demand for $1.6 billion in border wall money Said there were only a handful of demonstrators outside - everybody else, including Fox News, reported thousands. His desperate need to have these ego pumping rallies where he rails about his frustrations, tells patent untruths, makes vindictive threats, belittles whoever, and basks in the approval of his deluded base...... reminds one of some sort of ole time African or South American tin pot dictator. Edited August 23, 2017 by do or die bearpants and Brandon Blue&Gold 2
Mark F Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) Trump is more obnoxious and repulsive than George W. Bush but to this point, Bush has a much filthier record of death and destruction than Trump. Bush destroyed Iraq. Took it from a first world level country, to pile of radioactive rubble. hundreds of thousands dead. home base of ISIS. Edited August 23, 2017 by Mark F
Goalie Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 Its very similar to nazi germany propaganda and lies he spews. Very hitler like... Very similar.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels Pretty much. The Unknown Poster and Mark F 2
Goalie Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Mark F said: Trump is more obnoxious and repulsive than George W. Bush but to this point, Bush has a much filthier record of death and destruction than Trump. Bush destroyed Iraq. Took it from a first world level country, to pile of radioactive rubble. hundreds of thousands dead. home base of ISIS. Give Trump 7 more years and you could very well see the end of the USA Mark F 1
The Unknown Poster Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, do or die said: Trump holding another of these cult rallies. So what did he accomplish, with this one. Managed to insult both Republican conservative Senators in their home state. Stated that the media is an enemy of the people. He attacked networks individually by name for about 10 min. He doubted the media he attacked "loved America." Spent 15 minutes lying his ass off, about Charlotteville, rehashing his former statements, and (of course) leaving out the key quotes..... "both sides" and "some good people marching there" Only equated violence with anti-racist demonstrators. Threatened to tear up NAFTA, if he didn't get what he wanted from Canada and Mexico Made a game out of whether he would or wouldn't pardon racist profiler ole Sheriff Joe. Got to expound a bit more, on his favorite subject - himself Threatened to shut down the federal government, over his demand for $1.6 billion in border wall money Said there were only a handful of demonstrators outside - everybody else, including Fox News, reported thousands. His desperate need to have these ego pumping rallies where he rails about his frustrations, tells patent untruths, makes vindictive threats, belittles whoever, and basks in the approval of his deluded base...... reminds one of some sort of ole time African or South American tin pot dictator. CNN has a good story up about all the lies and half truths from the rally. Earlier I said the 25th was not intended to remove a President under these circumstances. But if he is mentally ill, and some have questioned whether he has early onset dementia or whether his issues such as borderline personality or narcissistic etc are prevalent (or accurate) enough to invoke. Ronald Reagan was actually close to having this happen. He went downhill mentally after being shot and some close to him were very concerned. They held a meeting where, unbeknownst to Regan, he was being carefully studied with the intent that if he was not of sound mind, they'd recommend invoking the 25th. Reagan passed with flying colours. But the argument was, he was very good at conversational stuff because even as someone who might struggle, as an actor, especially a charismatic one, he was able to easily disarm people. But some would argue he should have been removed. Im reminded of an episode of West Wing. The President's daughter was kidnapped and he was considering stepping aside. Leo (his CoS) advises him not to and the Pres says "what if I do the wrong thing?" and Leo replies "I wont let you". For dramatic purposes it works because we know Leo wont let him and we know the Pres will listen. We're actually at a point in reality where we can only hope the advisers and generals wont listen if Trump orders the wrong thing...
Goalie Posted August 23, 2017 Report Posted August 23, 2017 Its pretty bad when Trump asks his COS General Kelly to come out and he doesnt.
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