TrueBlue4ever Posted May 26, 2022 Report Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) All the trained police standing around, and the GOP expects that teachers could handle the chaos better if they were armed. “Good guy with a gun” is a joke, unless they want to admit police are in fact bad guys with guns to maintain that myth. It is hard not to get numb to all of this. After Sandy Hook and the lack of response it became clear that any will to stop this lunacy by the people was gone, even though they were in the majority. It’s hard to try and keep caring from afar when those with a direct stake in it can’t be bothered to care enough to change things. Sad fact, for all the claims of “it’s a mental health issue, not a gun issue” that usually gets brought up, the worst mass shooting in US history (the Vegas Mandalay Bay concert shooting) still has no identifiable cause. I have talked directly to police who have read the full FBI investigation and they say the reason for the shooting has never been figured out, and likely never will be. The shooter left no note, had no known underlying mental health, psychological, or personal or financial issues that would have triggered him. Just an anonymous seemingly normal guy who had access to a massive arsenal and exploited it, and had planned out an attack like this in Chicago before settling on Vegas. Blows every excuse of the NRA out there of the water. Finally, this may be too sensitive for some and and I’m not entirely sure if this is appropriate, but it is powerful and maybe the best example I have seen of a dramatization of a school shooting, certainly on network TV. It comes from a Canadian police show called “19-2” which filmed an episode called “School”. It was originally done in French and re-done shot for shot in English a couple of years later for the Anglophone version. It has NSFW language and certainly content, but is very gripping and strongly brought home the terror and chaos of the situation for all involved. I am attaching the link here but if I do not mean to offend if anyone finds it exploitive or “glamourizing” these tragedies, not my intent. Just a reminder whenever I want to shrug and say “oh well, just another stupid day in the US, they don’t care why should I” what the human stakes are. Edited May 26, 2022 by TrueBlue4ever
bustamente Posted May 26, 2022 Report Posted May 26, 2022 Incompetence, back tracking, cover up, cowards Tracker and JCon 2
Goalie Posted May 26, 2022 Report Posted May 26, 2022 Columbine 1999 Red Lake Minnesota 2005 Virginia Tech 2007 Sandy Hook 2012 Umpqua Community College 2015 Marjory Stoneman 2018 Sante Fe HS 2018 Robb Elementary 2022 There's the list.... started in 1999 and nothing has been done about it now for over 20 years. Nothing will change either as most senators and representatives are bought and paid for by the NRA
itchy Posted May 26, 2022 Report Posted May 26, 2022 46 minutes ago, Goalie said: Columbine 1999 Red Lake Minnesota 2005 Virginia Tech 2007 Sandy Hook 2012 Umpqua Community College 2015 Marjory Stoneman 2018 Sante Fe HS 2018 Robb Elementary 2022 There's the list.... started in 1999 and nothing has been done about it now for over 20 years. Nothing will change either as most senators and representatives are bought and paid for by the NRA A list an American friend who is an educator shared; Thurston High School. Columbine High School. Heritage High School. Deming Middle School. Fort Gibson Middle School. Buell Elementary School. Lake Worth Middle School. University of Arkansas. Junipero Serra High School. Santana High School. Bishop Neumann High School. Pacific Lutheran University. Granite Hills High School. Lew Wallace High School. Martin Luther King, Jr. High School. Appalachian School of Law. Washington High School. Conception Abbey. Benjamin Tasker Middle School. University of Arizona. Lincoln High School. John McDonogh High School. Red Lion Area Junior High School. Case Western Reserve University. Rocori High School. Ballou High School. Randallstown High School. Bowen High School. Red Lake Senior High School. Harlan Community Academy High School. Campbell County High School. Milwee Middle School. Roseburg High School. Pine Middle School. Essex Elementary School. Duquesne University. Platte Canyon High School. Weston High School. West Nickel Mines School. Joplin Memorial Middle School. Henry Foss High School. Compton Centennial High School. Virginia Tech. Success Tech Academy. Miami Carol City Senior High School. Hamilton High School. Louisiana Technical College. Mitchell High School. E.O. Green Junior High School. Northern Illinois University. Lakota Middle School. Knoxville Central High School. Willoughby South High School. Henry Ford High School. University of Central Arkansas. Dillard High School. Dunbar High School. Hampton University. Harvard College. Larose-Cut Off Middle School. International Studies Academy. Skyline College. Discovery Middle School. University of Alabama. DeKalb School. Deer Creek Middle School. Ohio State University. Mumford High School. University of Texas. Kelly Elementary School. Marinette High School. Aurora Central High School. Millard South High School. Martinsville West Middle School. Worthing High School. Millard South High School. Highlands Intermediate School. Cape Fear High School. Chardon High School. Episcopal School of Jacksonville. Oikos University. Hamilton High School. Perry Hall School. Normal Community High School. University of South Alabama. Banner Academy South. University of Southern California. Sandy Hook Elementary School. Apostolic Revival Center Christian School. Taft Union High School. Osborn High School. Stevens Institute of Business and Arts. Hazard Community and Technical College. Chicago State University. Lone Star College-North. Cesar Chavez High School. Price Middle School. University of Central Florida. New River Community College. Grambling State University. Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School. Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy. North Panola High School. Carver High School. Agape Christian Academy. Sparks Middle School. North Carolina A&T State University. Stephenson High School. Brashear High School. West Orange High School. Arapahoe High School. Edison High School. Liberty Technology Magnet High School. Hillhouse High School. Berrendo Middle School. Purdue University. South Carolina State University. Los Angeles Valley College. Charles F. Brush High School. University of Southern California. Georgia Regents University. Academy of Knowledge Preschool. Benjamin Banneker High School. D. H. Conley High School. East English Village Preparatory Academy. Paine College. Georgia Gwinnett College. John F. Kennedy High School. Seattle Pacific University. Reynolds High School. Indiana State University. Albemarle High School. Fern Creek Traditional High School. Langston Hughes High School. Marysville Pilchuck High School. Florida State University. Miami Carol City High School. Rogers State University. Rosemary Anderson High School. Wisconsin Lutheran High School. Frederick High School. Tenaya Middle School. Bethune-Cookman University. Pershing Elementary School. Wayne Community College. J.B. Martin Middle School. Southwestern Classical Academy. Savannah State University. Harrisburg High School. Umpqua Community College. Northern Arizona University. Texas Southern University. Tennessee State University. Winston-Salem State University. Mojave High School. Lawrence Central High School. Franklin High School. Muskegon Heights High School. Independence High School. Madison High School. Antigo High School. University of California-Los Angeles. Jeremiah Burke High School. Alpine High School. Townville Elementary School. Vigor High School. Linden McKinley STEM Academy. June Jordan High School for Equity. Union Middle School. Mueller Park Junior High School. West Liberty-Salem High School. University of Washington. King City High School. North Park Elementary School. North Lake College. Freeman High School. Mattoon High School. Rancho Tehama Elementary School. Aztec High School. Wake Forest University. Italy High School. NET Charter High School. Marshall County High School. Sal Castro Middle School. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Great Mills High School Central Michigan University Huffman High School Frederick Douglass High School Forest High School Highland High School Dixon High School Santa Fe High School Noblesville West Middle School University of North Carolina Charlotte STEM School Highlands Ranch Edgewood High School Palm Beach Central High School Providence Career & Technical Academy Fairley High School (school bus) Canyon Springs High School Dennis Intermediate School Florida International University Central Elementary School Cascade Middle School Davidson High School Prairie View A & M University Altascocita High School Central Academy of Excellence Cleveland High School Robert E. Lee High School Cheyenne South High School Grambling State University Blountsville Elementary School Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus) Prescott High School College of the Mainland Wynbrooke Elementary School UNC Charlotte Riverview Florida (school bus) Second Chance High School Carman-Ainsworth High School Williwaw Elementary School Monroe Clark Middle School Central Catholic High School Jeanette High School Eastern Hills High School DeAnza High School Ridgway High School Reginald F. Lewis High School Saugus High School Pleasantville High School Waukesha South High School Oshkosh High School Catholic Academy of New Haven Bellaire High School North Crowley High School McAuliffe Elementary School South Oak Cliff High School Texas A&M University-Commerce Sonora High School Western Illinois University Oxford High School Robb Elementary Schoolhurston High School. Columbine High School. Heritage High School. Deming Middle School. Fort Gibson Middle School. Buell Elementary School. Lake Worth Middle School. University of Arkansas. Junipero Serra High School. Santana High School. Bishop Neumann High School. Pacific Lutheran University. Granite Hills High School. Lew Wallace High School. Martin Luther King, Jr. High School. Appalachian School of Law. Washington High School. Conception Abbey. Benjamin Tasker Middle School. University of Arizona. Lincoln High School. John McDonogh High School. Red Lion Area Junior High School. Case Western Reserve University. Rocori High School. Ballou High School. Randallstown High School. Bowen High School. Red Lake Senior High School. Harlan Community Academy High School. Campbell County High School. Milwee Middle School. Roseburg High School. Pine Middle School. Essex Elementary School. Duquesne University. Platte Canyon High School. Weston High School. West Nickel Mines School. Joplin Memorial Middle School. Henry Foss High School. Compton Centennial High School. Virginia Tech. Success Tech Academy. Miami Carol City Senior High School. Hamilton High School. Louisiana Technical College. Mitchell High School. E.O. Green Junior High School. Northern Illinois University. Lakota Middle School. Knoxville Central High School. Willoughby South High School. Henry Ford High School. University of Central Arkansas. Dillard High School. Dunbar High School. Hampton University. Harvard College. Larose-Cut Off Middle School. International Studies Academy. Skyline College. Discovery Middle School. University of Alabama. DeKalb School. Deer Creek Middle School. Ohio State University. Mumford High School. University of Texas. Kelly Elementary School. Marinette High School. Aurora Central High School. Millard South High School. Martinsville West Middle School. Worthing High School. Millard South High School. Highlands Intermediate School. Cape Fear High School. Chardon High School. Episcopal School of Jacksonville. Oikos University. Hamilton High School. Perry Hall School. Normal Community High School. University of South Alabama. Banner Academy South. University of Southern California. Sandy Hook Elementary School. Apostolic Revival Center Christian School. Taft Union High School. Osborn High School. Stevens Institute of Business and Arts. Hazard Community and Technical College. Chicago State University. Lone Star College-North. Cesar Chavez High School. Price Middle School. University of Central Florida. New River Community College. Grambling State University. Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School. Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy. North Panola High School. Carver High School. Agape Christian Academy. Sparks Middle School. North Carolina A&T State University. Stephenson High School. Brashear High School. West Orange High School. Arapahoe High School. Edison High School. Liberty Technology Magnet High School. Hillhouse High School. Berrendo Middle School. Purdue University. South Carolina State University. Los Angeles Valley College. Charles F. Brush High School. University of Southern California. Georgia Regents University. Academy of Knowledge Preschool. Benjamin Banneker High School. D. H. Conley High School. East English Village Preparatory Academy. Paine College. Georgia Gwinnett College. John F. Kennedy High School. Seattle Pacific University. Reynolds High School. Indiana State University. Albemarle High School. Fern Creek Traditional High School. Langston Hughes High School. Marysville Pilchuck High School. Florida State University. Miami Carol City High School. Rogers State University. Rosemary Anderson High School. Wisconsin Lutheran High School. Frederick High School. Tenaya Middle School. Bethune-Cookman University. Pershing Elementary School. Wayne Community College. J.B. Martin Middle School. Southwestern Classical Academy. Savannah State University. Harrisburg High School. Umpqua Community College. Northern Arizona University. Texas Southern University. Tennessee State University. Winston-Salem State University. Mojave High School. Lawrence Central High School. Franklin High School. Muskegon Heights High School. Independence High School. Madison High School. Antigo High School. University of California-Los Angeles. Jeremiah Burke High School. Alpine High School. Townville Elementary School. Vigor High School. Linden McKinley STEM Academy. June Jordan High School for Equity. Union Middle School. Mueller Park Junior High School. West Liberty-Salem High School. University of Washington. King City High School. North Park Elementary School. North Lake College. Freeman High School. Mattoon High School. Rancho Tehama Elementary School. Aztec High School. Wake Forest University. Italy High School. NET Charter High School. Marshall County High School. Sal Castro Middle School. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Great Mills High School Central Michigan University Huffman High School Frederick Douglass High School Forest High School Highland High School Dixon High School Santa Fe High School Noblesville West Middle School University of North Carolina Charlotte STEM School Highlands Ranch Edgewood High School Palm Beach Central High School Providence Career & Technical Academy Fairley High School (school bus) Canyon Springs High School Dennis Intermediate School Florida International University Central Elementary School Cascade Middle School Davidson High School Prairie View A & M University Altascocita High School Central Academy of Excellence Cleveland High School Robert E. Lee High School Cheyenne South High School Grambling State University Blountsville Elementary School Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus) Prescott High School College of the Mainland Wynbrooke Elementary School UNC Charlotte Riverview Florida (school bus) Second Chance High School Carman-Ainsworth High School Williwaw Elementary School Monroe Clark Middle School Central Catholic High School Jeanette High School Eastern Hills High School DeAnza High School Ridgway High School Reginald F. Lewis High School Saugus High School Pleasantville High School Waukesha South High School Oshkosh High School Catholic Academy of New Haven Bellaire High School North Crowley High School McAuliffe Elementary School South Oak Cliff High School Texas A&M University-Commerce Sonora High School Western Illinois University Oxford High School Robb Elementary School Tracker, MOBomberFan, Bigblue204 and 5 others 3 4 1
MOBomberFan Posted May 26, 2022 Report Posted May 26, 2022 I just wore out my mouse wheel holy shiiiiiit the watcher, JCon and Tracker 2 1
iHeart Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) that is too damn many even without Ecole Polytechnique or Brampton Centennial or W.R.Myers included Edited May 27, 2022 by iHeart Tracker 1
Goalie Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 3 hours ago, itchy said: A list an American friend who is an educator shared; Thurston High School. Columbine High School. Heritage High School. Deming Middle School. Fort Gibson Middle School. Buell Elementary School. Lake Worth Middle School. University of Arkansas. Junipero Serra High School. Santana High School. Bishop Neumann High School. Pacific Lutheran University. Granite Hills High School. Lew Wallace High School. Martin Luther King, Jr. High School. Appalachian School of Law. Washington High School. Conception Abbey. Benjamin Tasker Middle School. University of Arizona. Lincoln High School. John McDonogh High School. Red Lion Area Junior High School. Case Western Reserve University. Rocori High School. Ballou High School. Randallstown High School. Bowen High School. Red Lake Senior High School. Harlan Community Academy High School. Campbell County High School. Milwee Middle School. Roseburg High School. Pine Middle School. Essex Elementary School. Duquesne University. Platte Canyon High School. Weston High School. West Nickel Mines School. Joplin Memorial Middle School. Henry Foss High School. Compton Centennial High School. Virginia Tech. Success Tech Academy. Miami Carol City Senior High School. Hamilton High School. Louisiana Technical College. Mitchell High School. E.O. Green Junior High School. Northern Illinois University. Lakota Middle School. Knoxville Central High School. Willoughby South High School. Henry Ford High School. University of Central Arkansas. Dillard High School. Dunbar High School. Hampton University. Harvard College. Larose-Cut Off Middle School. International Studies Academy. Skyline College. Discovery Middle School. University of Alabama. DeKalb School. Deer Creek Middle School. Ohio State University. Mumford High School. University of Texas. Kelly Elementary School. Marinette High School. Aurora Central High School. Millard South High School. Martinsville West Middle School. Worthing High School. Millard South High School. Highlands Intermediate School. Cape Fear High School. Chardon High School. Episcopal School of Jacksonville. Oikos University. Hamilton High School. Perry Hall School. Normal Community High School. University of South Alabama. Banner Academy South. University of Southern California. Sandy Hook Elementary School. Apostolic Revival Center Christian School. Taft Union High School. Osborn High School. Stevens Institute of Business and Arts. Hazard Community and Technical College. Chicago State University. Lone Star College-North. Cesar Chavez High School. Price Middle School. University of Central Florida. New River Community College. Grambling State University. Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School. Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy. North Panola High School. Carver High School. Agape Christian Academy. Sparks Middle School. North Carolina A&T State University. Stephenson High School. Brashear High School. West Orange High School. Arapahoe High School. Edison High School. Liberty Technology Magnet High School. Hillhouse High School. Berrendo Middle School. Purdue University. South Carolina State University. Los Angeles Valley College. Charles F. Brush High School. University of Southern California. Georgia Regents University. Academy of Knowledge Preschool. Benjamin Banneker High School. D. H. Conley High School. East English Village Preparatory Academy. Paine College. Georgia Gwinnett College. John F. Kennedy High School. Seattle Pacific University. Reynolds High School. Indiana State University. Albemarle High School. Fern Creek Traditional High School. Langston Hughes High School. Marysville Pilchuck High School. Florida State University. Miami Carol City High School. Rogers State University. Rosemary Anderson High School. Wisconsin Lutheran High School. Frederick High School. Tenaya Middle School. Bethune-Cookman University. Pershing Elementary School. Wayne Community College. J.B. Martin Middle School. Southwestern Classical Academy. Savannah State University. Harrisburg High School. Umpqua Community College. Northern Arizona University. Texas Southern University. Tennessee State University. Winston-Salem State University. Mojave High School. Lawrence Central High School. Franklin High School. Muskegon Heights High School. Independence High School. Madison High School. Antigo High School. University of California-Los Angeles. Jeremiah Burke High School. Alpine High School. Townville Elementary School. Vigor High School. Linden McKinley STEM Academy. June Jordan High School for Equity. Union Middle School. Mueller Park Junior High School. West Liberty-Salem High School. University of Washington. King City High School. North Park Elementary School. North Lake College. Freeman High School. Mattoon High School. Rancho Tehama Elementary School. Aztec High School. Wake Forest University. Italy High School. NET Charter High School. Marshall County High School. Sal Castro Middle School. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Great Mills High School Central Michigan University Huffman High School Frederick Douglass High School Forest High School Highland High School Dixon High School Santa Fe High School Noblesville West Middle School University of North Carolina Charlotte STEM School Highlands Ranch Edgewood High School Palm Beach Central High School Providence Career & Technical Academy Fairley High School (school bus) Canyon Springs High School Dennis Intermediate School Florida International University Central Elementary School Cascade Middle School Davidson High School Prairie View A & M University Altascocita High School Central Academy of Excellence Cleveland High School Robert E. Lee High School Cheyenne South High School Grambling State University Blountsville Elementary School Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus) Prescott High School College of the Mainland Wynbrooke Elementary School UNC Charlotte Riverview Florida (school bus) Second Chance High School Carman-Ainsworth High School Williwaw Elementary School Monroe Clark Middle School Central Catholic High School Jeanette High School Eastern Hills High School DeAnza High School Ridgway High School Reginald F. Lewis High School Saugus High School Pleasantville High School Waukesha South High School Oshkosh High School Catholic Academy of New Haven Bellaire High School North Crowley High School McAuliffe Elementary School South Oak Cliff High School Texas A&M University-Commerce Sonora High School Western Illinois University Oxford High School Robb Elementary Schoolhurston High School. Columbine High School. Heritage High School. Deming Middle School. Fort Gibson Middle School. Buell Elementary School. Lake Worth Middle School. University of Arkansas. Junipero Serra High School. Santana High School. Bishop Neumann High School. Pacific Lutheran University. Granite Hills High School. Lew Wallace High School. Martin Luther King, Jr. High School. Appalachian School of Law. Washington High School. Conception Abbey. Benjamin Tasker Middle School. University of Arizona. Lincoln High School. John McDonogh High School. Red Lion Area Junior High School. Case Western Reserve University. Rocori High School. Ballou High School. Randallstown High School. Bowen High School. Red Lake Senior High School. Harlan Community Academy High School. Campbell County High School. Milwee Middle School. Roseburg High School. Pine Middle School. Essex Elementary School. Duquesne University. Platte Canyon High School. Weston High School. West Nickel Mines School. Joplin Memorial Middle School. Henry Foss High School. Compton Centennial High School. Virginia Tech. Success Tech Academy. Miami Carol City Senior High School. Hamilton High School. Louisiana Technical College. Mitchell High School. E.O. Green Junior High School. Northern Illinois University. Lakota Middle School. Knoxville Central High School. Willoughby South High School. Henry Ford High School. University of Central Arkansas. Dillard High School. Dunbar High School. Hampton University. Harvard College. Larose-Cut Off Middle School. International Studies Academy. Skyline College. Discovery Middle School. University of Alabama. DeKalb School. Deer Creek Middle School. Ohio State University. Mumford High School. University of Texas. Kelly Elementary School. Marinette High School. Aurora Central High School. Millard South High School. Martinsville West Middle School. Worthing High School. Millard South High School. Highlands Intermediate School. Cape Fear High School. Chardon High School. Episcopal School of Jacksonville. Oikos University. Hamilton High School. Perry Hall School. Normal Community High School. University of South Alabama. Banner Academy South. University of Southern California. Sandy Hook Elementary School. Apostolic Revival Center Christian School. Taft Union High School. Osborn High School. Stevens Institute of Business and Arts. Hazard Community and Technical College. Chicago State University. Lone Star College-North. Cesar Chavez High School. Price Middle School. University of Central Florida. New River Community College. Grambling State University. Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School. Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy. North Panola High School. Carver High School. Agape Christian Academy. Sparks Middle School. North Carolina A&T State University. Stephenson High School. Brashear High School. West Orange High School. Arapahoe High School. Edison High School. Liberty Technology Magnet High School. Hillhouse High School. Berrendo Middle School. Purdue University. South Carolina State University. Los Angeles Valley College. Charles F. Brush High School. University of Southern California. Georgia Regents University. Academy of Knowledge Preschool. Benjamin Banneker High School. D. H. Conley High School. East English Village Preparatory Academy. Paine College. Georgia Gwinnett College. John F. Kennedy High School. Seattle Pacific University. Reynolds High School. Indiana State University. Albemarle High School. Fern Creek Traditional High School. Langston Hughes High School. Marysville Pilchuck High School. Florida State University. Miami Carol City High School. Rogers State University. Rosemary Anderson High School. Wisconsin Lutheran High School. Frederick High School. Tenaya Middle School. Bethune-Cookman University. Pershing Elementary School. Wayne Community College. J.B. Martin Middle School. Southwestern Classical Academy. Savannah State University. Harrisburg High School. Umpqua Community College. Northern Arizona University. Texas Southern University. Tennessee State University. Winston-Salem State University. Mojave High School. Lawrence Central High School. Franklin High School. Muskegon Heights High School. Independence High School. Madison High School. Antigo High School. University of California-Los Angeles. Jeremiah Burke High School. Alpine High School. Townville Elementary School. Vigor High School. Linden McKinley STEM Academy. June Jordan High School for Equity. Union Middle School. Mueller Park Junior High School. West Liberty-Salem High School. University of Washington. King City High School. North Park Elementary School. North Lake College. Freeman High School. Mattoon High School. Rancho Tehama Elementary School. Aztec High School. Wake Forest University. Italy High School. NET Charter High School. Marshall County High School. Sal Castro Middle School. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Great Mills High School Central Michigan University Huffman High School Frederick Douglass High School Forest High School Highland High School Dixon High School Santa Fe High School Noblesville West Middle School University of North Carolina Charlotte STEM School Highlands Ranch Edgewood High School Palm Beach Central High School Providence Career & Technical Academy Fairley High School (school bus) Canyon Springs High School Dennis Intermediate School Florida International University Central Elementary School Cascade Middle School Davidson High School Prairie View A & M University Altascocita High School Central Academy of Excellence Cleveland High School Robert E. Lee High School Cheyenne South High School Grambling State University Blountsville Elementary School Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus) Prescott High School College of the Mainland Wynbrooke Elementary School UNC Charlotte Riverview Florida (school bus) Second Chance High School Carman-Ainsworth High School Williwaw Elementary School Monroe Clark Middle School Central Catholic High School Jeanette High School Eastern Hills High School DeAnza High School Ridgway High School Reginald F. Lewis High School Saugus High School Pleasantville High School Waukesha South High School Oshkosh High School Catholic Academy of New Haven Bellaire High School North Crowley High School McAuliffe Elementary School South Oak Cliff High School Texas A&M University-Commerce Sonora High School Western Illinois University Oxford High School Robb Elementary School Yes. I listed the more known ones. I realize there is a monster list but just the more famous? Ones. The ones that actually got media attention really... the ones with the most victims
Tracker Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 Police Slow To Engage Uvalde Gunman Because They 'Could’ve Been Shot,' Official Says "They could’ve been killed, and that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school," a spokesman said. Police officers were slow to enter Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, to confront a gunman because “they could’ve been shot,” a spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety said Thursday. Lt. Chris Olivarez spoke with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer to describe the law enforcement response after an 18-year-old gunman entered the school on Tuesday, killing 19 young children and two teachers. Olivarez said officers responded quickly that day amid reports there was a gunman at the school, but waited for a tactical team to fully confront the man, identified as Salvador Ramos, and kill him. Police have offered changing explanations of the timeline after they arrived at the school, and varying accounts say the gunman was left inside a classroom with children and teachers for 40 minutes to an hour before he was killed. Bigblue204 1
JCon Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 Defund the police. Bigblue204, Fred C Dobbs, MOBomberFan and 2 others 5
Tracker Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, JCon said: Defund the police. In the Uvalde incident, they seemed to feel that their value was largely decorative.
JCon Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 Just now, Tracker said: In the Uvalde incident, they seemed to feel that their value was largely decorative. The money could be used for more effective supports. Real crime prevention. Not boys with guns curb stomping brown people. They did effectively subdue the parents though. Real heroes. Also heard ICE was there. Fewer terrorists in uniforms and more help to prevent these crimes would be a benefit to society MOBomberFan, rebusrankin and Tracker 1 2
Tracker Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, JCon said: The money could be used for more effective supports. Real crime prevention. Not boys with guns curb stomping brown people. They did effectively subdue the parents though. Real heroes. Also heard ICE was there. Fewer terrorists in uniforms and more help to prevent these crimes would be a benefit to society The roots of this violence are many and run deep in American society. I believe that the greatest contributor to this is the "I'm alright, screw you" attitude there. There is no sense that they are anything like a cohesive society that cares for each other. This is a stratified society which claims to be a melting pot but shuns and marginalizes anyone without money or power. If my concern is only for myself and my status and possessions, then anything or anyone that threatens my position is a threat and must be suppressed with all the tools at my disposal. As one American put it, "It is not enough that I win, it is only enough if I see you reduced by losing". JCon and Bigblue204 2
Wideleft Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 43 minutes ago, JCon said: Defund the police. Uvalde - a town of 16,000 - has a SWAT team, FCS. This is a great thread. Wanna-B-Fanboy, Mark F and Tracker 2 1
HardCoreBlue Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 51 minutes ago, Tracker said: Police Slow To Engage Uvalde Gunman Because They 'Could’ve Been Shot,' Official Says "They could’ve been killed, and that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school," a spokesman said. Police officers were slow to enter Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, to confront a gunman because “they could’ve been shot,” a spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety said Thursday. Lt. Chris Olivarez spoke with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer to describe the law enforcement response after an 18-year-old gunman entered the school on Tuesday, killing 19 young children and two teachers. Olivarez said officers responded quickly that day amid reports there was a gunman at the school, but waited for a tactical team to fully confront the man, identified as Salvador Ramos, and kill him. Police have offered changing explanations of the timeline after they arrived at the school, and varying accounts say the gunman was left inside a classroom with children and teachers for 40 minutes to an hour before he was killed. 55 minutes ago, Tracker said: Police Slow To Engage Uvalde Gunman Because They 'Could’ve Been Shot,' Official Says "They could’ve been killed, and that gunman would have had an opportunity to kill other people inside that school," a spokesman said. Police officers were slow to enter Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, to confront a gunman because “they could’ve been shot,” a spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety said Thursday. Lt. Chris Olivarez spoke with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer to describe the law enforcement response after an 18-year-old gunman entered the school on Tuesday, killing 19 young children and two teachers. Olivarez said officers responded quickly that day amid reports there was a gunman at the school, but waited for a tactical team to fully confront the man, identified as Salvador Ramos, and kill him. Police have offered changing explanations of the timeline after they arrived at the school, and varying accounts say the gunman was left inside a classroom with children and teachers for 40 minutes to an hour before he was killed. So the logic is these children and their teachers trapped in these two adjoining rooms this murderer barricaded them in had to be sacrificed for the greater good, i.e., any children and teachers hiding in other rooms in the school? What in actual F.
Sard Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said: So the logic is these children and their teachers trapped in these two adjoining rooms this murderer barricaded them in had to be sacrificed for the greater good, i.e., any children and teachers hiding in other rooms in the school? What in actual F. The cops were too afraid to go in and get shot yet they expect a teacher "good guy with a gun" to have been able to stop this guy. Mark F, Wideleft, Fred C Dobbs and 1 other 4
rebusrankin Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 Guys, the issues were multiple doors and the fact that there were not more armed citizens to take action. How the **** do people say **** like this?
HardCoreBlue Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Tracker said: The roots of this violence are many and run deep in American society. I believe that the greatest contributor to this is the "I'm alright, screw you" attitude there. There is no sense that they are anything like a cohesive society that cares for each other. This is a stratified society which claims to be a melting pot but shuns and marginalizes anyone without money or power. If my concern is only for myself and my status and possessions, then anything or anyone that threatens my position is a threat and must be suppressed with all the tools at my disposal. As one American put it, "It is not enough that I win, it is only enough if I see you reduced by losing". It’s not directly relevant to this and all the complexities involved in how our responsibility to one another works but this quote from Tupac Shakur has always stuck with me: ’Just because you lost me as a friend, doesn’t mean you gained me as an enemy. I’m bigger than that, I still wanna see you eat, just not at my table.’ johnzo, Wideleft, JCon and 1 other 4
Mark F Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 Being shot is now the leading cause of death of children in the USA. Complete Indifference of people to the murder of children..... Depraved. Fred C Dobbs, the watcher and Wideleft 1 1 1
HardCoreBlue Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Sard said: The cops were too afraid to go in and get shot yet they expect a teacher "good guy with a gun" to have been able to stop this guy. Reasonable question along with many other reasonable questions posed that will never receive reasonable factual answers/discussions/debates from wingnuts. All you will hear is 'Don't politicize this, no amount of gun control would have prevented these tragedies, less Government, can't legislate against evil, these people ae psychopaths, guns don't kill people, people kill people, can't punish responsible gun owners, if they take away our guns, it won't stop there, my rights don't stop at your fears, it is our constitutional right to bear arms, harden schools by having less doors to enter, more guns and training for good guys/teachers, better mental health resources and of course lifting people up with our thoughts and prayers and if you don't like any of this you obviously hate America' said over and over again completely ignoring and/or not understanding the reality of what's really happening and ignoring and/or not understanding the complexities involved when coming up with actual tangible impactful solutions. I could give a flying F on what people's politics are, lets just figure out how to ensure children and adults have some level of confidence they will be safe at home, work, school and in the public. Sard and JCon 2
Mark F Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 Faint flickers of hope "Progressive challenger Jamie McLeod-Skinner was officially declared the winner Friday in the Democratic primary for Oregon's 5th Congressional District, ousting right-wing incumbent and Blue Dog Coalition member Rep. Kurt Schrader, a leading obstructionist in the U.S. House. In interviews throughout the primary campaign, McLeod-Skinner dubbed Schrader the "Joe Manchin of the House," pointing to his initial vote against the American Rescue Plan and his opposition to congressional Democrats' efforts to lower sky-high prescription drug prices. Schrader is the second member of the so-called "unbreakable nine"—a group of House Democrats that helped tank the Build Back Better Act—to be ousted in a primary this year. Rep. Carolyn Bourdeaux (D-Ga.), also a member of the Blue Dog Coalition, lost her primary race earlier this week to fellow Rep. Lucy McBath (D-Ga.)." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/27/manchin-house-kurt-schrader-officially-defeated-oregon-primary Tracker 1
Tracker Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 Texas cops’ claims unravel: Police didn’t "engage" Uvalde shooter — but they cuffed scared parents Texas state police on Thursday walked back key claims they repeatedly made about the Uvalde school shooting after coming under scrutiny for failing to stop the gunman until 90 minutes after he arrived outside of the school. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and spokespeople at the state's Department of Public Safety said since the attack that school police officers "engaged" the shooter before he entered the school, praising law enforcement's "quick response." But DPS regional director Victor Escalon acknowledged during a hectic news conference on Thursday that police did not engage the shooter and, in fact, there was no school police officer there at all before the gunman entered the school. "He walked in unobstructed initially," Escalon said. The official said the gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, shot his grandmother and crashed her pickup truck before going to the school. "He was not confronted by anybody," Escalon said. In fact, Ramos crashed his car at around 11:28 am but did not enter the school for about 12 minutes. The gunman got out of his truck and shot at two people across the street, Escalon said, before shooting multiple times at the school building. Ramos entered the school through an unlocked side door at around 11:40 am, according to Escalon. The gunman walked into a classroom and fired more than 25 times, the official said. Officers arrived at the school at around 11:44 am and tried to engage the gunman but came under fire and backed off. The suspect was in the classroom for about an hour as police gathered outside while worried parents begged officers to enter the building and stop the gunman. Escalon claimed police during this time were evacuating other parts of the school and at some point tried to negotiate with the suspect. Eventually, a Border Patrol tactical team arrived and breached the classroom, killing the suspect in a shootout, according to Escalon. RELATED: "Go in there!": People begged police to enter Uvalde school as gunman rampaged for up to an hour It's unclear why it took so long for law enforcement to stop the gunman. Data shows that most "active shooter" attacks in the U.S. end within five minutes, according to FBI data, but the Uvalde attack lasted 20 times as long. CNN reported that there were about 100 federal agents and local police officers on the scene. "They [didn't] make entry immediately because of the gunfire they were receiving," Escalon said while dodging questions from reporters. Parents who lost their children in the attack slammed the police response and the cops' narrative following the shooting. "They said they rushed in and all that, we didn't see that," Javier Cazares, whose 9-year-old daughter Jacklyn was killed while he begged police outside to let him go into the school, told the New York Times. "There were plenty of men out there armed to the teeth that could have gone in faster. This could have been over in a couple minutes." The response came under criticism from law enforcement experts. "If you've got somebody you think is actively engaged in harming people or attempting to harm people, your obligation as a police officer is to immediately stop that person and neutralize that threat," Don Alwes, a former instructor for the National Tactical Officers Association, told NBC News. "We don't expect police officers to commit suicide in doing it. But the expectation is that if someone is about to harm someone, especially children, you've got to take immediate action to make that stop." The stalled response may have cost lives. "You can't wait until patients go to a trauma center," Dr. Ronald Stewart, the senior trauma surgeon at University Hospital in San Antonio, who coordinated treatment for multiple victims, told NBC. "You have to act quickly." Instead of entering the school, law enforcement officers were seen doing crowd control as terrified parents gathered outside. Some officers apparently went inside the school to retrieve their own children, according to a DPS official. A video recorded outside the school shows law enforcement officers with long guns preventing parents from entering the school to do the same as they beg the cops do something. "Shoot him or something!" a woman pleads in the video. "They're all just ******* parked outside, dude. They need to go in there," a man is heard saying. "The police were doing nothing," Angeli Rose Gomez, whose children attend second and third grade at Robb Elementary, told The Wall Street Journal. "They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere." The response took so long that Gomez had time to drive 40 miles to the school after hearing about the shooting to plead with police to enter. Gomez and other parents urged law enforcement to go into the school before U.S. Marshals put her in handcuffs and told her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation, she said. Another father was tackled and thrown to the ground by police, she said, and another parent was pepper-sprayed. Gomez said she convinced local police officers that she knew to persuade the marshals to free her. Once she was free, Gomez jumped the school fence and evacuated her children to safety. A spokesman for the Marshals Service denied that anyone was handcuffed. "Our deputy marshals maintained order and peace in the midst of the grief-stricken community that was gathering around the school," he told the Journal. Desirae Garza, whose niece Amerie Jo Garza was killed in the shooting, told The Times that her brother Angel was handcuffed by a local police officer as well while trying to run into the school. "Nobody was telling him anything. He was trying to find out. He wanted to know where his daughter was," Garza said. After the shooting, Gomez said she saw police use a Taser on a father who approached a bus evacuating students to get his child. "They didn't do that to the shooter, but they did that to us. That's how it felt," she told the Journal. Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, called out state officials for providing the public with "conflicting accounts of how the tragedy in Uvalde unfolded." Castro sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray on Thursday calling for a federal investigation into the police response. "I'm calling on the @FBI to use their maximum authority," he tweeted, "to investigate and provide a full report on the timeline, the law enforcement response and how 21 Texans were killed."
Tracker Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 Fox News Pundit Still Claims Uvalde Cops ‘Saved a Lot of Lives’ and ‘Did a Lot of Right Things’ Tom Homan also blasted reporters for having the temerity to grill Texas law enforcement about the school massacre, calling their questions a “little insensitive…
Tracker Posted May 27, 2022 Report Posted May 27, 2022 Texas Officials Are Trying To Blame A Teacher For Uvalde Shooting The Texas Department of Public Safety is apparently blaming a teacher for propping a door open before the Uvalde shooting. The timeline according to the Director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, “11:27, we know from video evidence, 11:27 the exterior door suspected of when we knew the shooter entered. Ramos was propped open by a teacher. 11:28 the suspect’s vehicle crashes into the ditch, as previously described. The teacher runs to room 132 to receive a phone. The teacher walked back to the exit door, and the door remains propped open. — as reported by the director, there are two males at a funeral home that when they heard the crash, they went to the crash scene.” Officials claimed that they were holding the briefing to give the facts and not assess blame, but the first thing that they did was to blame a teacher for propping a door open. Texas officials appear to be going out of their way to blame anyone and everything, but the gun laws that made it easy for the shooter to buy an assault weapon and kill 19 children and two adults. It is unbelievable that Texas officials are trying to assign any level of blame to a teacher for this horrible crime. If assault weapons were not so easy to obtain in Texas, the situation would not have been as deadly. Texas is blaming a teacher when easy access to assault weapons is the problem. Something is rotten in Texas.
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