RethinkIng Paul Maurice....

[FrostyWinnipeg]

They beat one so-so team at home and beat the worst team in the league.

Now San Jose is Monday...one of the best. Show me the money then.

[IC Khari]

2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

They beat one so-so team at home and beat the worst team in the league.

Now San Jose is Monday...one of the best. Show me the money then.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

13 hours ago, IC Khari said:

[IC Khari]

[FrostyWinnipeg]

[bb1]

Well Pomo showed u great game poor special teams....and Buff wasn't great...10 min to go 1-1 and your putting a forward on d for the pp? Oh well the special teams will get better eventually under Pomo.?

[JCon]

1 hour ago, bb1 said:

Well Pomo showed u great game poor special teams....and Buff wasn't great...10 min to go 1-1 and your putting a forward on d for the pp? Oh well the special teams will get better eventually under Pomo.?

What's wrong with putting a forward on d to QB the PP?

[Stickem]

Start thinking next year WITHOUT Paul Maurice....there's where to start...How obvious does it have to get...This team will go nowhere forever with this guy at the helm...

[FrostyWinnipeg]

5 hours ago, bb1 said:

Well Pomo showed u great game poor special teams....and Buff wasn't great...10 min to go 1-1 and your putting a forward on d for the pp? Oh well the special teams will get better eventually under Pomo.?

Thought they've done that all season long. Other teams do it too usually during the 1st minute of PP.

[bb1]

5 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Thought they've done that all season long. Other teams do it too usually during the 1st minute of PP.

Usually in a 1-1 game with 10 min to go no most great coaches think about making sure you don't give up an easy one at the end of a game....esp shorthanded which is a backbreaker...

[Stickem]

After that dismal  Pitts. showing why is Maurice still around....This is a gutless organization with no direction...Teams that want to  move forward like Mont. gas guys like Therrien cuz he wasn't getting it done and have righted the ship...We continue to flounder and will be out of the playoffs for the second year in a row...Open your eyes Chevy before they start looking at you.

[pigseye]

3 hours ago, Stickem said:

After that dismal  Pitts. showing why is Maurice still around....This is a gutless organization with no direction...Teams that want to  move forward like Mont. gas guys like Therrien cuz he wasn't getting it done and have righted the ship...We continue to flounder and will be out of the playoffs for the second year in a row...Open your eyes Chevy before they start looking at you.

 

I don't know why Chevy get's let off the hook, he is on his second coach already.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/goaltending-gets-coaches-fired-maurice-worry/

 

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But we would ask: Should Maurice be made to pay for a sub-par, inconsistent season from his top blueliner, Dustin Byfuglien? Is it the coach’s fault that management spends $5.75 million on defenceman Toby Enstrom, who has one goal?

 

And then there is the ultimate coach killer: goaltending.

Coming off a 2011-12 season in which goaltender Ondrej Pavelec posted a mediocre .906 save percentage, Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff committed to the Czech goaler, signing Pavelec to a five-year, $19.5-million deal.

By training camp 2016, Pavelec was ticketed to the minors and the job was handed to the tandem of 23-year-old Connor Hellebuyck and career backup Michael Hutchinson.

In short, Jets management misplayed its goaltending hand, and with a 25th-ranked .899 team save percentage, that decision may have cost them the 2016-17 season.

 

 

[Floyd]

8 minutes ago, pigseye said:

I don't know why Chevy get's let off the hook, he is on his second coach already.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/goaltending-gets-coaches-fired-maurice-worry/

Works for me... they don't recommend extending Maurice until we see what this teams record is by December 1st...

[The Unknown Poster]

When it comes to under-performing players then yes, maurice should get some blame.  He's the coach. 

Chevy's decisions are an issue too but only if he's not executing ownerships plan.  If ownership was fine with not having a veteran back up and risking the struggles of a young goalie, then so be it.  If ownership was fine not bringing in D help when Trouba held out and Myers got hurt and Buff struggled playing 30 minutes, then so be it.

Who's decision has it been to keep the same goalie coach that has seen every goalie get worse the more they play here?  Who's decision has it been to keep a D coach since Day One when the D has been a consistent issue?  If that's Chevy, thats a problem.  If it's Maurice, its his problem.  if it's Chipman, then he is clueless.  And thats not true, so whats the issue?  Budget?  Who knows.

Big if Chevy and Maurice both get multi year extensions it tells you ownership is completely fine with what happened this year or very, very optimistic in the face of contrary evidence.

[Rich]

10 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Chevy's decisions are an issue too but only if he's not executing ownerships plan.  If ownership was fine with not having a veteran back up and risking the struggles of a young goalie, then so be it.  If ownership was fine not bringing in D help when Trouba held out and Myers got hurt and Buff struggled playing 30 minutes, then so be it.

I'm curious how hands on people think Chipman is or should be?

Chipman isn't really a hockey person.  He is a business person.  It's Chevy's job to make these decisions.  The types of things you bring up here seem too far down in the weeds for Chipman to sign off on. 

Those are all hockey decisions not budget decisions.  

And I don't think you can make the argument budget stops you from bringing in a more veteran goalie.  Same with Trouba and Buff.   

 

[pigseye]

Thanks to Chevy, the team is hooped until 2018-19  when they can shed salary, expect more of the same until then.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=WIN

Changing coaches won't solve the root of the problem which is tying your wagon to the wrong horses pulling the cart.

[The Unknown Poster]

43 minutes ago, Rich said:

I'm curious how hands on people think Chipman is or should be?

Chipman isn't really a hockey person.  He is a business person.  It's Chevy's job to make these decisions.  The types of things you bring up here seem too far down in the weeds for Chipman to sign off on. 

Those are all hockey decisions not budget decisions.  

And I don't think you can make the argument budget stops you from bringing in a more veteran goalie.  Same with Trouba and Buff.   

 

Chipman shouldnt be involved in those discussions.  But he's the team President.  He's Chevy's boss.  It stands to reason that should Chevy ever stop generating acceptable results that Chipman will be the one to make the decision to fire him.  So the direction of the team in a general sense comes from ownership, especially Chipman.  Having a young team go through growing pains and NOT spending money on a veteran goalie probably falls within his wheel house.

Maybe not the decision to not get D help.  I doubt Chipman ran into Chevy at the corporate urinal and said "hey maybe grab Stone".  But the team losing partially as a result of struggling due to the injuries and inconsistent D play falls on Chevy and surely is something Chipman is aware of.  Presumably Chevy's failure to act to improve the D is not something that Chipman is overly unhappy about if the rumours of an extension are true.

But being a draft & develop, go through growing pains, let the kids fail - that vision is going to be an ownership vision.  If it isnt, then both Chevy and Maurice will be fired.  Which they wont.  Hence, Chipman's job as Team President and holder of the money approves of the way Chevy conducts himself.  Unfortunately.

[The Unknown Poster]

23 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Thanks to Chevy, the team is hooped until 2018-19  when they can shed salary, expect more of the same until then.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=WIN

Changing coaches won't solve the root of the problem which is tying your wagon to the wrong horses pulling the cart.

Thats a bit dramatic.  Because of Toby's contract?  Jets have cap space.  They arent hooped at all. 

[JCon]

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

Thanks to Chevy, the team is hooped until 2018-19  when they can shed salary, expect more of the same until then.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=WIN

Changing coaches won't solve the root of the problem which is tying your wagon to the wrong horses pulling the cart.

Jets have ~$18M of cap space for next year and no major UFA/RFA re-signings required. How is this team 'hooped'?

Biggest off-season signing will be a quality back-up (1B) goaltender.

[pigseye]

The Jets don't spend to their ceiling, if they did, they wouldn't have $9M in space this season. Pavs's salary is the only real relief next year.

[JCon]

9 minutes ago, pigseye said:

The Jets don't spend to their ceiling, if they did, they wouldn't have $9M in space this season. Pavs's salary is the only real relief next year.

So, what's your point? We know the Jets don't/won't spend to the cap. How exactly are the Jets hooped and how is it Chevy's fault?

[pigseye]

Their hooped because they are tied to most of those contracts until 2018-19 while they wait for the prospects to develop. They still won't have a starting goalie and six capable defence men and only two forward lines producing any points. Who else is to blame for the product on the ice and managing the salary if not the GM?

[FrostyWinnipeg]

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Coming off a 2011-12 season in which goaltender Ondrej Pavelec posted a mediocre .906 save percentage, Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff committed to the Czech goaler, signing Pavelec to a five-year, $19.5-million deal.

At the time though it seemed like a good thing. Pav was on a bad team and was .906

Now what really would have been interesting is if his drunk driving incident had been revealed to the team before he signed the contract.

Bunch of guys got $$$ deals back then because of that one season. Toby and Kane got 4-5m/yr which seemed good at the time.

[bb1]

8 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Their hooped because they are tied to most of those contracts until 2018-19 while they wait for the prospects to develop. They still won't have a starting goalie and six capable defence men and only two forward lines producing any points. Who else is to blame for the product on the ice and managing the salary if not the GM?

You can add in if Chevy resigns Maurice to a multi year contract this off-season then he should follow if Maurice fails.But it won't happen cause Chipman has stated in public that he thinks Chevy is a genius....besides winning an AHL cup what has he won to warrant that thinking is a head scratcher. ? He is great at being patient I will give him that.

[pigseye]

Chipman will come to his senses if there isn't any playoff money flowing in.