The Expansion Draft

[Goalie]

Just now, bustamente said:

Think there will be a flurry of trades before the draft and during the draft, Chevy needs to be a player and get us a goalie to complement and push Helle, do not want to see Hutch back as a back up next season.

Im not gonna say 100 percent but im 99.999999 percent sure he will. I think they have a deal with NYR for Raanta. 

[bustamente]

1 minute ago, Goalie said:

Im not gonna say 100 percent but im 99.999999 percent sure he will. I think they have a deal with NYR for Raanta. 

Raanta is the guy that I would look at he was solid filling in for Lundqvist last year.

[The Unknown Poster]

Yeah they saw Dano or they could get the jets first rounder instead.  Chevy wasn't coming away with no first round pick though. 

Vegas could have had Toby or Dano. Instead they took the pick. 

Jets probably come out of the draft among the most unscathed. 

[The Unknown Poster]

Good deal. 

 

[Brandon]

I say they get Elliott....

[Floyd]

Spin it all you want... this is pretty lame.  Losing Dano, Lowry or Armia does not kill this team.

Will still be a good defenceman at 13 not at 24.  We'll be able to add another forward prospect... just like Dano or Armia...

Instead of a good D prospect, we now have Enstrom locked in at an over-priced salary for another year.

[Goalie]

28 minutes ago, Floyd said:

Spin it all you want... this is pretty lame.  Losing Dano, Lowry or Armia does not kill this team.

Will still be a good defenceman at 13 not at 24.  We'll be able to add another forward prospect... just like Dano or Armia...

Instead of a good D prospect, we now have Enstrom locked in at an over-priced salary for another year.

That D prospect at 13... He wouldn't be ready for 2 or 3 years... 

Just like the D prospect at 24 wont be. 

 

Brannstrom. Foote. Hague. Vaakainenen should all be there and are all good value picks. 

Not sure why u think losing a player who helps now is better than moving 11 spots and not losing anyone At ALL but whatever. To each their own. Jets did good despite what ppl say. 

Im gonna lol when they draft Brannstrom at 24 and some of you see him for the first time. Dude is compared to Erik Karlsson tho. Hes small . Also one of the youngest tho in the draft. 

This draft is such a crapshoot after the top 2. Not much difference between lets just say pick 5 and 30. 

 

Edited June 22, 2017 by Goalie

[Goalie]

38 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I say they get Elliott....

Nahhhhh. 

[Goalie]

39 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Good deal. 

 

Hes part of the Raanta or Grubauer trade. 

[The Unknown Poster]

I can't believe so many have trouble with this. 

If you end up keeping 13 you lose Myers, Toby, perreault or Lowry. Then you have to go out and replace that player. 

Chevy lost no players and kept a first round pick. 

Good player available at 24.  

Jets had among the best night. 

[Jimmy Pop]

43 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I can't believe so many have trouble with this. 

If you end up keeping 13 you lose Myers, Toby, perreault or Lowry. Then you have to go out and replace that player. 

Chevy lost no players and kept a first round pick. 

Good player available at 24.  

Jets had among the best night. 

Same 'ol agenda pushing, by some...

The uproar would rightly be worse if they lost an asset to Vegas for nothing. They did not.  They moved down in a draft that has limited star power, but decent depth in the middle of the first round. Given their history of off the board picks, they may even feel they can get their guy at 24.  Or they feel 24 + Dano and/or Petan gets you a Shea Theodore-type guy. 

I don't get the hate here?  We didn't lose anything.

Now, if Chevy sits on his hands all weekend, then I'm joining the pitchfork brigade. 

[The Unknown Poster]

1 minute ago, Jimmy Pop said:

Same 'ol agenda pushing, by some...

The uproar would rightly be worse if they lost an asset to Vegas for nothing. They did not.  They moved down in a draft that has limited star power, but decent depth in the middle of the first round. Given their history of off the board picks, they may even feel they can get their guy at 24.  Or they feel 24 + Dano and/or Petan gets you a Shea Theodore-type guy. 

I don't get the hate here?  We didn't lose anything.

Now, if Chevy sits on his hands all weekend, then I'm joining the pitchfork brigade. 

Agreed.  I suspect their draft prep had them interested in someone that was ranked lower than 13, thereby making it make a lot of sense to trade down. 

They might not be done, who knows.  Perhaps they package the 24 off to someone else. 

[Jimmy Pop]

1 minute ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Agreed.  I suspect their draft prep had them interested in someone that was ranked lower than 13, thereby making it make a lot of sense to trade down. 

They might not be done, who knows.  Perhaps they package the 24 off to someone else. 

Better not be.  What a let down that would be.  I just wouldn't get the logic. We're ripe with young FW's and only so many spots for them to fill. Nic Petan and Marko Dano wasting away on the 4th line, or not playing period, is just poor asset management.  Don't let that repeat with more important pieces in Connor & Roslovic.

My understanding of the Jets "plan" was always - When we're ready to compete, we'll spend, we'll be aggressive.  Well Chevy, now is time. 

[The Unknown Poster]

Just now, Jimmy Pop said:

Better not be.  What a let down that would be.  I just wouldn't get the logic. We're ripe with young FW's and only so many spots for them to fill. Nic Petan and Marko Dano wasting away on the 4th line, or not playing period, is just poor asset management.  Don't let that repeat with more important pieces in Connor & Roslovic.

My understanding of the Jets "plan" was always - When we're ready to compete, we'll spend, we'll be aggressive.  Well Chevy, now is time. 

And that might be the important aspect of keeping the roster intact, to use one or two of those players in other deals.

[Atomic]

Surprised at how many people actually think going from 13 to 24 is a big deal.  If they gave up a first round pick outright... yeah that would be crazy.  But dropping 11 spots?  That's nothing.

[Atomic]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Pop said:

Better not be.  What a let down that would be.  I just wouldn't get the logic. We're ripe with young FW's and only so many spots for them to fill. Nic Petan and Marko Dano wasting away on the 4th line, or not playing period, is just poor asset management.  Don't let that repeat with more important pieces in Connor & Roslovic.

My understanding of the Jets "plan" was always - When we're ready to compete, we'll spend, we'll be aggressive.  Well Chevy, now is time. 

I would question the value of Dano and Petan on the trade market.  They aren't getting us a top 4 D or a starting goalie.  Maybe they are a nice complimentary piece to seal the deal on a tough trade but that's about it.

I have been pretty critical of Chevy but when I look at our contract situation I think next year is the critical year.... this might be another year of purgatory.

[Jimmy Pop]

18 minutes ago, Atomic said:

I would question the value of Dano and Petan on the trade market.  They aren't getting us a top 4 D or a starting goalie.  Maybe they are a nice complimentary piece to seal the deal on a tough trade but that's about it.

I have been pretty critical of Chevy but when I look at our contract situation I think next year is the critical year.... this might be another year of purgatory.

Eh don't know about that. I'm not expecting an outright top 4 D in his prime - maybe he's 30 about to hit his downside, maybe he's 21 and just now about to be an NHL regular. I'd gamble with either scenario over the combo of Chairot, Stuart, Postma etc on their own.

I'd trade Dano to Vegas for Schlemko for example, or Petan & 24 for Theodore.   I don't see either being far-fetched.  We know VGK has too many D. 

I'm with you re: next year being huge.  Hope vs. expectation thing I guess.  At some point the new core needs to experience winning, rather it be sooner than later.

[Jimmy Pop]

 

[Atomic]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy Pop said:

I'd trade Dano to Vegas for Schlemko for example, or Petan & 24 for Theodore.   I don't see either being far-fetched.

Maybe.  I'd do those trades too.  Would Vegas?  I guess it depends how competitive the trade market is for those players.

To me, Theodore is exactly the kind of player Vegas will want to build their D-corps around.  Young, size, lots of potential.

[bb1]

8 hours ago, Goalie said:

Why didnt they just take dano then cuz they could have... U know why they didnt? Cuz they didnt want him. U see the players they took? Some will be flipped tomorrow.. Already rumors of TVR to Carolina and Miller to Toronto. This team is going to suck.. Bad. 

They skipped on top 4 d like manson or vatanen and skipped on dumba because a 3rd line center and prospect from minny worked better. Ppl talk about tanking... Vegas is the new definition

Maybe we dropped down to protect Dano ? We don't know which player Chevy protected I'm saying ethier one was not worth dropping down for.

[Goalie]

6 minutes ago, bb1 said:

Maybe we dropped down to protect Dano ? We don't know which player Chevy protected I'm saying ethier one was not worth dropping down for.

Well... Whoever we protected (its toby lowry Perreault armia copp and dano) is definitely worth more than a mystery box prospect who wont help you for 2 or 3 years. Thats essentislly what chevy did. Drop back 11 spots to protect 6 current nhl players. Bottom line with draft picks... They are a mystery box .... They arent proven... Id be pissed if he traded out of the top 4 lets say but... Going from 13 to 24 really isnt that big of a deal at all. 

Edited June 22, 2017 by Goalie

[bb1]

45 minutes ago, Jimmy Pop said:

Same 'ol agenda pushing, by some...

The uproar would rightly be worse if they lost an asset to Vegas for nothing. They did not.  They moved down in a draft that has limited star power, but decent depth in the middle of the first round. Given their history of off the board picks, they may even feel they can get their guy at 24.  Or they feel 24 + Dano and/or Petan gets you a Shea Theodore-type guy. 

I don't get the hate here?  We didn't lose anything.

Now, if Chevy sits on his hands all weekend, then I'm joining the pitchfork brigade. 

Well no pitchfork if there is another deal with this but dropping down just to hold on to marginal players at best makes zero sense....thats what people don't understand.....replace what a d man that has trouble staying healthy and makes 5 mil a year or a forward that is a bigger Burmistrov clone?

[bb1]

3 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Well... Whoever we protected (its toby lowry Perreault armia copp and dano) is definitely worth more than a mystery box prospect who wont help you for 2 or 3 years. Thats essentislly what chevy did. Drop back 11 spots to protect 6 current nhl players. 

Perreault Armia and Copp were already protected....?

[Goalie]

1 minute ago, bb1 said:

Well no pitchfork if there is another deal with this but dropping down just to hold on to marginal players at best makes zero sense....thats what people don't understand.....replace what a d man that has trouble staying healthy and makes 5 mil a year or a forward that is a bigger Burmistrov clone?

I guess you dont understand they protected 6 current NHL players that they wouldnt have been able 2 under a 4 4 1 scenario and all it costed was moving back 11 spots. This isnt about just toby and dano... Its about Perreault lowry armia copp also. 

[Jimmy Pop]

3 minutes ago, bb1 said:

Well no pitchfork if there is another deal with this but dropping down just to hold on to marginal players at best makes zero sense....thats what people don't understand.....replace what a d man that has trouble staying healthy and makes 5 mil a year or a forward that is a bigger Burmistrov clone?

You're definition of marginal at best is just vastly different than those employed by NHL teams, that's all.