Canadian Politics

[rebusrankin]

8 hours ago, Wideleft said:

Also Liberals:  17 current female cabinet ministers.  17 men.

Conservatives at dissolution in 2015:  11 female cabinet ministers.  24 men.

So at least one of the parties walks the walk and doesn't prorogue parliament to avoid scrutiny.

 

 

No they just abuse power and try to cover it up, see SNC-Lavalin Affair, Mark Norman Affair to start.

[rebusrankin]

JWR and Philpott kicked out of the Liberal caucus. Tell me again why people want to vote for these corrupt, self serving assholes?

[Zontar]

2 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

JWR and Philpott kicked out of the Liberal caucus. Tell me again why people want to vote for these corrupt, self serving assholes?

Can you still call yourself a feminist if you fire a female subordinate for standing up to you and the group of other men you surrounded yourself with who told you to shut up and toe the line?

Need a ruling here.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

59 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

JWR and Philpott kicked out of the Liberal caucus. Tell me again why people want to vote for these corrupt, self serving assholes?

Shoot, shovel, shutup - Ralph Klein

[Wideleft]

14 hours ago, Zontar said:

Can you still call yourself a feminist if you fire a female subordinate for standing up to you and the group of other men you surrounded yourself with who told you to shut up and toe the line?

Need a ruling here.

If you think a major tenet of feminism is that women shall never be questioned or disciplined, I don't think you understand the concept of feminism.

[Wideleft]

Meanwhile in Alberta, Conservatives gotta conservative.

"The chief financial officer for former UCP leadership candidate Jeff Callaway is facing up to two years in prison or a $50,000 fine for allegations of "corrupt practice," in breach of the Elections Act.

The Office of the Elections Commissioner (OEC) has been investigating those connected to Callaway's so-called "kamikaze" campaign during the 2017 UCP leadership race."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jeff-callaway-ucp-investigation-cfo-eaton-1.5082129

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ucp-mark-smith-drayton-valley-homosexual-1.5081799

Edited April 3, 2019 by Wideleft

[17to85]

36 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Meanwhile in Alberta, Conservatives gotta conservative.

"The chief financial officer for former UCP leadership candidate Jeff Callaway is facing up to two years in prison or a $50,000 fine for allegations of "corrupt practice," in breach of the Elections Act.

The Office of the Elections Commissioner (OEC) has been investigating those connected to Callaway's so-called "kamikaze" campaign during the 2017 UCP leadership race."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jeff-callaway-ucp-investigation-cfo-eaton-1.5082129

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ucp-mark-smith-drayton-valley-homosexual-1.5081799

That plus booting out 2 candidates earlier for their racist and intolerant views.

Those guys are crazy town. Thankfully the polling shows that people are shifting towards the NDP. Not that I ever thought I'd wind up hoping for an NDP win, but good lord no desire to see Jason Kenney as premier here. Guy will set the province back decades. 

[17to85]

The UCP are the skypalace with a view of the lake of fire. 

All the corruption of the PCs with the hard right intolerance of the Wild Rose. The worst aspects of both parties... and people STILL blindly support these ****** canoes. 

[Wideleft]

And Doug Ford - of all people, has become the most powerful Conservative voice in Canada.

[SpeedFlex27]

Kenney's got the election. Most voters care the most about the economy, jobs, building the pipeline & standing up to Trudeau. They look at this Callaway thing with little interest as it's an internal UCP thing. The NDP is trying to make a big deal about the UCP candidates & some of their comments made but it is getting little or no traction with voters. Two UCP candidates have resigned but the party is currently sitting at 52% in Calgary & the rural areas outside of both major cities.  Which must frustrate the NDP to no end. No matter how much mud they sling nothing is sticking so far. Notley is more popular than Kenney but her party is hated & she has little if no talent surrounding herself in cabinet. The UCP is more popular than Kenney but he is looked upon as a stronger leader who will stand up to left wing activists, Trudeau & Horgan.  Banning BC wine just doesn't cut it. 

[17to85]

10 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Kenney's got the election. Most voters care the most about the economy, jobs, building the pipeline & standing up to Trudeau. They look at this Callaway thing with little interest as it's an internal UCP thing. The NDP is trying to make a big deal about the UCP candidates & some of their comments made but it is getting little or no traction with voters. Two UCP candidates have resigned but the party is currently sitting at 52% in Calgary & the rural areas outside of both major cities.  Which must frustrate the NDP to no end. No matter how much mud they sling nothing is sticking so far. Notley is more popular than Kenney but her party is hated & she has little if no talent surrounding herself in cabinet. The UCP is more popular than Kenney but he is looked upon as a stronger leader who will stand up to left wing activists, Trudeau & Horgan.  Banning BC wine just doesn't cut it. 

Jesus Christ did you at least get paid for this political advertisement?

The polls are showing the UCP support dropping, people DO care. These leadership shenanigans aren't nothing, they are indicative of how Kenney operates. Break the law to get what he wants. 

Let me ask you this, how does slashing corporate tax rates help? Alberta is already the lowest taxed province, all he is going to do is make the rich richer and take away the provinces revenue streams. 

How does fighting with the federal government and BC governement (which Notley is already doing, Kenney will just turn it up to 11, help build a pipeline? People like you hate to hear it, but in these big national projects you need to work together with people. 

Also that 52% number, I don't buy it, most polls are showing the UCP dropping support to about 45% while the NDP getting close to 40%, within the margin of error. 

Now election night might come and we could end up with a UCP government, but it will be closer than you think it will be. People don't like Jason Kenney and they don't like the corruption and social regressiveness of the party. 

[StevetheClub]

I get why those who consider themselves social conservatives would want to vote UCP and I totally support them doing so. What I don't get is the economic argument. There's nothing I've read - and I'm trying to stay as informed as I can - that indicates that Kenny's economic plan is superior to Notley's.  I just wish never-NDP'ers would just own it rather than  try to convince themselves and others that Kenny can raise the price of oil by yelling and bully his way to building a pipeline.

Edited April 4, 2019 by StevetheClub
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[17to85]

Kenney plan is great for corporations and the rich and awful for workers. He is actively campaigning for lower wages. 

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Jesus Christ did you at least get paid for this political advertisement?

The polls are showing the UCP support dropping, people DO care. These leadership shenanigans aren't nothing, they are indicative of how Kenney operates. Break the law to get what he wants. 

Let me ask you this, how does slashing corporate tax rates help? Alberta is already the lowest taxed province, all he is going to do is make the rich richer and take away the provinces revenue streams. 

How does fighting with the federal government and BC governement (which Notley is already doing, Kenney will just turn it up to 11, help build a pipeline? People like you hate to hear it, but in these big national projects you need to work together with people. 

Also that 52% number, I don't buy it, most polls are showing the UCP dropping support to about 45% while the NDP getting close to 40%, within the margin of error. 

Now election night might come and we could end up with a UCP government, but it will be closer than you think it will be. People don't like Jason Kenney and they don't like the corruption and social regressiveness of the party. 

I'm just explaining what is going on so keep your damned shorts on. The polling you refer to is Ipsos Reid that was commissioned by Unifor which supports the NDP. Then there was the Main Street poll that said almost the same. So, they have no credibility. This is the same pollster who said Bill Smith had a huge lead over Nenshi in the civic mayoral election here in Calgary & Smith got pummelled. The poll result caused a bit of a stir for a day & was then forgotten. If there was a true seismic shift to the NDP it would be all over the media in here in AB & the NDP would be using it to their advantage. Instead crickets from the NDP. The new poll came out yesterday & showed that the NDP was at 52% in Calgary & rural AB.  People kind of nodded & said yes, that sounds about right. 

Edited April 4, 2019 by SpeedFlex27

[17to85]

The new poll was deeply flawed, and honestly my biggest issue with your post is that it was basically word for word UCP talking points with no substance behind it. 

Mainstreet has been total trash in the past, but when they have a poll that matches others, and reportedly matches internal UCP polling then perhaps they got it right this time?

Keep in mind polls always tend to skew more towards conservatives anyway because of the method of collecting data. 

Pollsters have a hard time with Alberta for whatever reasons, but the trends do show UCP dropping and NDP rising. It's not a seismic shift, but the trend has started to appear, and the UCP haven't cleaned anything up as the campaign has gone on, it's only gotten worse. People are seeing what a **** head Kenney and his cronies are. 

So tell me, without resorting to talking points and pie in the sky dreaming, what is the UCP proposing that makes you want to vote for them? 

[pigseye]

On 2019-04-03 at 11:02 AM, Wideleft said:

And Doug Ford - of all people, has become the most powerful Conservative voice in Canada.

Must have been a drama teacher before politics. 

[SpeedFlex27]

7 hours ago, 17to85 said:

The new poll was deeply flawed, and honestly my biggest issue with your post is that it was basically word for word UCP talking points with no substance behind it. 

Mainstreet has been total trash in the past, but when they have a poll that matches others, and reportedly matches internal UCP polling then perhaps they got it right this time?

Keep in mind polls always tend to skew more towards conservatives anyway because of the method of collecting data. 

Pollsters have a hard time with Alberta for whatever reasons, but the trends do show UCP dropping and NDP rising. It's not a seismic shift, but the trend has started to appear, and the UCP haven't cleaned anything up as the campaign has gone on, it's only gotten worse. People are seeing what a **** head Kenney and his cronies are. 

So tell me, without resorting to talking points and pie in the sky dreaming, what is the UCP proposing that makes you want to vote for them? 

Standing up to Trudeau & the provincial economy. I have no faith in Notley doing anything to help Alberta when it comes to dealing with the Liberals or Horgan in BC. Notley is making promises & commitment  that will cost billions. Do I think the NDP is better on social issues? Yes. Do I think the UCP can handle the economy better. Yes. For me, it's all about the economy. With Alberta unemployment the highest in Canada & the unemployment rate in Calgary is over 7%, I think most Albertans feel the same. This province is really hurting. 

Edited April 5, 2019 by SpeedFlex27

[Zontar]

Removing socialists from power is never, ever worse than leaving them in. They foul every thing they touch.  They don't how to create wealth and ***** what prosperity already exists.  They prefer only to tear it down and hold it back.

They despise and mistrust personal freedom over the collective because it opposes them and repeadetly proves them wrong over time and they know it.

At best socialism is just another discredited system. At worst it is a lethal socio-political cult of thought.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Zontar

[SpeedFlex27]

Trudeau & Notley with their carbon taxes want to punish families taking vacations. Going to the lake. Playing a round of golf. Heating our homes. Buying groceries. It's a disgusting tax. It does nothing for the environment. Perfect example of socialist & progressive social engineering that are  hurting individuals & families a swell as hurting our economy. Canadians are polluters don't you know? If we heat our homes when it's minus 35 then we are polluters. What a bunch of crap. 

[17to85]

You are just repeating everything Kenney says, Trudeau, Trudeau Trudeau. If that's all he cares about he should have stayed in federal politics. 

Kenney has no plans, just empty rhetoric. Wants bigger profits for the wealthy and lower wages for workers. It's in his platform! go look at it. 

[SpeedFlex27]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

You are just repeating everything Kenney says, Trudeau, Trudeau Trudeau. If that's all he cares about he should have stayed in federal politics. 

Kenney has no plans, just empty rhetoric. Wants bigger profits for the wealthy and lower wages for workers. It's in his platform! go look at it. 

And you're just repeating socialist shlock.

[Fatty Liver]

Charles Adler puts Jason Kenney on the spot.  See Jason back-peddle.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5129721/alberta-election-charles-adler-jason-kenney-transcript/

[17to85]

socialist schlock? I don't think so. He wants to lower the minimum wage for people under 18 and alcohol servers! Directly lowering wages. He is rolling back changes to banked OT which lowers the take home wage for workers. You know who loves those options though? The rich people. 

So tell me why Kenney rolling back things is good for the province? Cuts to healthcare and education won't help. The reason the NDP have to spend so much on them now is because Ralph Klein in his bid to eliminate the debt stopped spending to keep up with the growing population and in 10 years of the boom the population of Alberta grew from about 3 million to 4 million. We still have a huge deficit of infrastructure from the conservatives kicking the can down the road and now Jason Kenney wants to do the exact same thing. 

I am no socialist, but this province needs to actually invest in itself right now. 

[Wideleft]

13 hours ago, Zontar said:

Removing socialists from power is never, ever worse than leaving them in. They foul every thing they touch.  They don't how to create wealth and ***** what prosperity already exists.  They prefer only to tear it down and hold it back.

They despise and mistrust personal freedom over the collective because it opposes them and repeadetly proves them wrong over time and they know it.

At best socialism is just another discredited system. At worst it is a lethal socio-political cult of thought.

People have to first realize that a true socialist nor a true capitalist state has ever existed, so attacking either with a broad brush is useless.  There have been successes and failures on variations (and combinations) of both.

"So here’s the big difference: In Norway, capitalism serves the people. The government, elected by the people, sees to that. All eight of the parties that won parliamentary seats in the last national election—including the conservative Høyre party now leading the government—are committed to maintaining the welfare state. In the United States, however, neoliberal politics puts the foxes in charge of the henhouse, and capitalists have used the wealth generated by their enterprises (as well as financial and political manipulations) to capture the state and pluck the chickens.

They’ve done a masterful job of chewing up organized labor. Today, only 11 percent of American workers belong to a union. In Norway, that number is 52 percent; in Denmark, 67 percent; in Sweden, 70 percent. Thus, in the United States, oligarchs maximize their wealth and keep it, using the “democratically elected” government to shape policies and laws favorable to the interests of their foxy class."

"Which brings us to the heart of Scandinavian democracy: the equality of women and men. In the 1970s, Norwegian feminists marched into politics and picked up the pace of democratic change. Norway needed a larger labor force, and women were the answer. Housewives moved into paid work on equal footing with men, nearly doubling the tax base. That has, in fact, meant more to Norwegian prosperity than the coincidental discovery of North Atlantic oil reserves. The Ministry of Finance recently calculated that those additional working mothers add to Norway’s net national wealth a value equivalent to its “total petroleum wealth”—currently held in the world’s largest sovereign-wealth fund, worth over $873 billion. By 1981, women were sitting in parliament, in the prime minister’s chair, and in her cabinet."

"American feminists also marched for such goals in the 1970s, but the big boys, busy with their own White House intrigues, initiated a war on women that set the country back and still rages today in brutal attacks on women’s basic civil rights, healthcare, and reproductive freedom. In 1971, thanks to the hard work of organized feminists, Congress passed the bipartisan Comprehensive Child Development Bill to establish a multibillion-dollar national daycare system for the children of working parents. In 1972, President Richard Nixon vetoed it, and that was that. In 1972, Congress also passed a bill (first proposed in 1923) to amend the Constitution to grant equal rights of citizenship to women. Ratified by only 35 states—three short of the required 38—that Equal Rights Amendment was declared dead in 1982, leaving American women in legal limbo."

https://www.thenation.com/article/after-i-lived-in-norway-america-felt-backward-heres-why/

Edited April 5, 2019 by Wideleft

[Wideleft]

Doug Ford doesn't feel his base is dumb enough yet, so he's going to lay off teachers.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/provincial-memo-teacher-cuts-1.5085851