Tracker Posted December 2, 2020 Report Posted December 2, 2020 16 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said: Which says a lot about the sad state of the CPC these days. And perhaps the political landscape as a whole here in Canada... Ugh. Also, Derek Sloan is a disgrace. The CPC party mirrors the leader and the leader mirrors the party. They have drifted so far over to the right that they are nearly over the horizon. blue_gold_84 and Wanna-B-Fanboy 2
JCon Posted December 2, 2020 Report Posted December 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tracker said: The CPC party mirrors the leader and the leader mirrors the party. They have drifted so far over to the right that they are nearly over the horizon. Remember, Bernier got within a hair of being leader and only lost to Sheer, who thinks that ultra right-wing, anti-facts journalism matters. Wanna-B-Fanboy and blue_gold_84 2
FrostyWinnipeg Posted December 2, 2020 Report Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, JCon said: Remember, Bernier got within a hair of being leader and only lost to Sheer, who thinks that ultra right-wing, anti-facts journalism matters. Bernier would be leader now if he didnt get all pissy about losing to 1 term leader. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
JCon Posted December 2, 2020 Report Posted December 2, 2020 Just now, FrostyWinnipeg said: Bernier would be leader now if he didnt get all pissy about losing to 1 term leader. He slid into his new clothes wayyyyyy too easily. I imagine Sheer is headed there too. Well, the CPCs in general are trying to be big tent with the alt right. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
Tracker Posted December 2, 2020 Report Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) I think that the current CPC party, who had credibility under Diefenbaker, Stanfield and Clark has sold its soul to the wingnut Alliance sect, and has become a living example of choosing power over principle. The Alliance bloc with the party holds a disproportionate amount of influence and will continue to do so. This will eventually force out the right-of-center traditional Conservatives and leave the dregs to devolve into a minor-league version of the GOP/Tea Party ruled by the fundamentalists. This will ensure Liberal governments for time to come unless they get really, really stoopid and arrogant. Edited December 2, 2020 by Tracker Wanna-B-Fanboy and Mr Dee 1 1
FrostyWinnipeg Posted December 2, 2020 Report Posted December 2, 2020 IMHO a bunch of Cons see what Trump did and are wannabees which is why the Liberals need an enforcer Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
17to85 Posted December 2, 2020 Report Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Tracker said: The CPC party mirrors the leader and the leader mirrors the party. They have drifted so far over to the right that they are nearly over the horizon. The far right is in total control of that party no question about it. Can't vote for them in good conscience, but trudeau is a weenie and the ndp are too far the other way. What's a guy to do? JCon, blue_gold_84, Wanna-B-Fanboy and 1 other 4
tacklewasher Posted December 2, 2020 Report Posted December 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, 17to85 said: The far right is in total control of that party no question about it. Can't vote for them in good conscience, but trudeau is a weenie and the ndp are too far the other way. What's a guy to do? Still wish the Rhino's had a party. 17to85 1
JCon Posted December 3, 2020 Report Posted December 3, 2020 What's the Cannabis Party up to? Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
Tracker Posted December 3, 2020 Report Posted December 3, 2020 25 minutes ago, JCon said: What's the Cannabis Party up to? Waaaay high. JCon, GCJenks and Wanna-B-Fanboy 3
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted December 3, 2020 Report Posted December 3, 2020 40 minutes ago, JCon said: What's the Cannabis Party up to? Kicking back with a blunt and celebrating legislative victory? JCon 1
Tracker Posted December 3, 2020 Report Posted December 3, 2020 13 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Kicking back with a blunt and celebrating legislative victory? Are you referring to Emily? Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
Tracker Posted December 4, 2020 Report Posted December 4, 2020 Erin O’Toole Sidesteps Questions On Tory MP Derek Sloan Sponsoring Petition Questioning Safety Of COVID-19 Vaccines The Conservative leader blamed Liberals for causing anxiety and uncertainty. By Ryan Maloney Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole wouldn’t say Thursday if he has a problem with MP Derek Sloan’s sponsoring of an electronic petition that falsely casts doubt on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines at a time when the Tory leader is pushing to see vaccinations in Canada. At a press conference in Ottawa, O’Toole faced several questions about Sloan’s involvement with an e-petition that calls COVID-19 vaccine developments “rushed,” and claims that “bypassing proper safety protocols means COVID-19 vaccination is effectively human experimentation.” Erin O’Toole Sidesteps Questions On Tory MP Derek Sloan Sponsoring Petition Questioning Safety Of COVID-19 Vaccines | HuffPost Canada (huffingtonpost.ca) Wanna-B-Fanboy and blue_gold_84 2
blue_gold_84 Posted December 4, 2020 Report Posted December 4, 2020 His comments in that article are disgraceful. Nothing but whataboutism and deflection. Despite the fact Sloan is completely off base with the nonsensical misinformation he spews publicly; he's got that tinfoil hat strapped on tight. Answer the damned question. It's also a pretty bad look for the leader of the opposition to try and hold the current gov't in power accountable for its vaccine rollout plan while simultaneously giving a free pass* to his own party member to continue to cast doubt on those very vaccines and support reckless, ignorant, delusional anti-vaxxers and their misguided conspiracy theories. I didn't think anyone could be as spineless as Scheer but O'Toole has done a bang-up job towing that limp line since taking the torch. And the CPC wonders why it continues to poll so poorly across the country...? * IMO, saying nothing and/or doing nothing is consent to allow Sloan to continue his questionable behaviour. JCon and Tracker 2
17to85 Posted December 4, 2020 Report Posted December 4, 2020 They can't speak out because if you cross the fundies they will turf you. Sad state of affairs really. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
Tracker Posted December 4, 2020 Report Posted December 4, 2020 47 minutes ago, 17to85 said: They can't speak out because if you cross the fundies they will turf you. Sad state of affairs really. The "Fundies" hold the Conservatives hostage much as they hold the GOP in thrall. In both cases, the core political philosophy is so weak that without that sort of tainted support, neither would win another election. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
blue_gold_84 Posted December 16, 2020 Report Posted December 16, 2020 Erin O'Toole is at it again: https://globalnews.ca/news/7524370/otoole-residential-schools-eduction-horrible/ Quote Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole told a group of students residential schools were created to “try and provide education,” and became “horrible.” “Let’s learn from the bad mistakes and, in some (cases), tragic circumstances of our past. But when Egerton Ryerson was called in by Hector Langevin and people, it was meant to try and provide education,” O’Toole said, referring to the creation of the residential school system. “It became a horrible program that really harmed people, and we have to learn from that, and I wear orange, and I do that. But we’re not helping anyone by misrepresenting the past.” ...the Conservative leader’s office said that O’Toole “is a champion for reconciliation” and “takes the horrific history of residential schools very seriously.” “He has also been clear in highlighting the damage cancel culture can have. Defending free speech, especially on campus, is important, just as remembering our past is an important part of aspiring for better in the future,” wrote O’Toole’s spokesperson Chelsea Tucker in an emailed statement. Former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper acknowledged in his 2008 apology for the residential school system that the schools were set up with the specific goal of assimilating Indigenous children. “Two primary objectives of the residential school system were to remove and isolate children from the influence of their homes, families, traditions and cultures, and to assimilate them into the dominant culture,” Harper said at the time. “These objectives were based on the assumption Aboriginal cultures and spiritual beliefs were inferior and unequal. Indeed, some sought, as it was infamously said, ‘to kill the Indian in the child.’” The irony of crying about cancel culture when the residential schools were, at its very core, meant to cancel an entire culture. At least Harper had the decency to call it for what it was. O'Toole then proceeds to take a shot at "lefty radicals," a petulant move right out of the alt-right playbook: Quote “Most of the lefty radicals are also the dumbest people at your university,” O’Toole said at the outset of the video. The video was made for the Ryerson Conservatives Club, whose members have taken it upon themselves to defend Egerton Ryerson's legacy. This take from Billy Kelly hits the nail on the head, IMO: https://globalnews.ca/news/7525232/erin-otoole-residential-schools/ Quote That’s like saying that southern plantation owners were only offering enslaved black people employment opportunities in North America. ...for O’Toole to soft-sell his Conservative ancestor’s wrongdoing and paint this as a politically partisan issue is not only historically inaccurate, it displays a disturbing twist of revisionist history for political gain. This historian also offers some objective insight: Wanna-B-Fanboy and Tracker 2
JCon Posted December 16, 2020 Report Posted December 16, 2020 Proving again that the Cons are morally reprehensible. O'Toole's full on alt-right now. It wasn't just a move during the leadership campaign. Enjoy the wilderness. Wanna-B-Fanboy and blue_gold_84 1 1
Tracker Posted December 16, 2020 Report Posted December 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, JCon said: Proving again that the Cons are morally reprehensible. O'Toole's full on alt-right now. It wasn't just a move during the leadership campaign. Enjoy the wilderness. But the exile will not be the fault of O'Toole, the party or their barely-concealed intolerance. It will be the fault of a media who just does not understand them- apart from The Sun papers and Ezra Levant, that is. JCon and Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 1
Mark F Posted December 16, 2020 Report Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) The United Nations Genocide Convention, which was established in 1948, defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such" including the killing of its members, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately imposing living conditions that seek to "bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part", preventing births, or forcibly transferring children out of the group to another group.[4][5][6]) "Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.[14]" straightforward, and easily understood. Edited December 16, 2020 by Mark F Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
blue_gold_84 Posted December 16, 2020 Report Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) And cue the damage control: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/erin-otoole-residential-schools-comments-1.5844307 Quote Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole is walking back comments he made to Ryerson University students claiming the residential school system was designed to "provide education" to Indigenous children before it went off the rails and became a "horrible program." "The very existence of residential schools is a terrible stain on Canada's history that has had sweeping impacts on generations of Indigenous Canadians," O'Toole said in a statement released today. "I speak about the harm caused by residential schools regularly. In my comments to Ryerson students, I said that the residential school system was intended to try and 'provide education.' It was not. The system was intended to remove children from the influence of their homes, families, traditions and cultures." The CPC sure picked the right guy to lead their party. Nailed it. Edited December 16, 2020 by blue_gold_84 tweet added JCon, Wanna-B-Fanboy and Mr Dee 2 1
blue_gold_84 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/growing-list-of-canadian-politicians-caught-travelling-abroad-despite-pandemic-1.5251039 Rules for thee but not for me. Must be nice to be an elected official but get away with being a hypocrite. That's some leadership. Mr Dee and Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 1
FrostyWinnipeg Posted January 2, 2021 Report Posted January 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/growing-list-of-canadian-politicians-caught-travelling-abroad-despite-pandemic-1.5251039 Rules for thee but not for me. Must be nice to be an elected official but get away with being a hypocrite. That's some leadership. Im sure it will come back to bite me but those Con supporters sure think Trudeau is in the Caribbean. Tracker and Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 1
Noeller Posted January 3, 2021 Report Posted January 3, 2021 Something like 1/3 of Jason Kenney's UCP government in AB has been busted for traveling abroad over Christmas and deliberately misleading their constituents with social media posts suggesting they're at home. Absolutely disgusting. I wish there was an election next week... Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 3, 2021 Report Posted January 3, 2021 47 minutes ago, Noeller said: I wish there was an election next week... Why, Kenny will still be elected- I have no faith in the voters of Alberta (present company excluded ). Tracker and Noeller 1 1
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