Canadian Politics

[GCn20]

23 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/patrick-brown-disqualified-conservative-leadership-1.6511407

What a dumpster fire of a party.

In fairness, they are all dumpster fires right now. The fact that the CPC is leading in the polls right now by an increasing margin should have the Libs looking inward as well.

[blue_gold_84]

5 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

In fairness, they are all dumpster fires right now. The fact that the CPC is leading in the polls right now by an increasing margin should have the Libs looking inward as well.

LOL

No. Nice deflection, though. Polls really don't mean much right now, either.

[Noeller]

Grits and Dippers are doing just fine by not doing anything crazy. Con's are perpetually doing and saying insane things to turn off the majority of the country....

[blue_gold_84]

Pierre Poilievre and his supporters are human garbage.

[JCon]

That's just disgusting. He's disgusting. 

[Wideleft]

On 2022-07-06 at 10:12 AM, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/patrick-brown-disqualified-conservative-leadership-1.6511407

What a dumpster fire of a party.

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, Wideleft said:

And remember that Brown was one of the sanest of the lot.

[GCn20]

On 2022-07-07 at 10:17 AM, blue_gold_84 said:

LOL

No. Nice deflection, though. Polls really don't mean much right now, either.

No deflection necessary. The Libs are increasingly slipping in the polls....and you better believe that politicians are keenly aware of how they are polling. It's laughable to suggest otherwise. Polls matter. Sure it's mid-term but the Libs cannot let the Cons get a lead that they can't come back from.

[blue_gold_84]

57 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

No deflection necessary. The Libs are increasingly slipping in the polls....and you better believe that politicians are keenly aware of how they are polling. It's laughable to suggest otherwise. Polls matter. Sure it's mid-term but the Libs cannot let the Cons get a lead that they can't come back from.

But that's exactly what you did with your "in fairness, all parties" comment. That's the definition of deflection.

A bit of a useless rebuttal after five six days, BTW. Polls based on voting intent do mean little right now because there isn't a scheduled election on the horizon; plenty can and likely will change between now and October 2025. Especially with what's going on with the CPC and its "leadership" race, trying to draw conclusions from polls as though any party has an advantage over another seems pretty pointless.

The CPC can barely function as legitimate opposition right now with Murphy Brownshirt running the show. Did you hear her inane comments on opposing the federal dental plan yesterday?

Edited July 13, 2022 by blue_gold_84

[FrostyWinnipeg]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-leadership-campaign-hacking-allegation-otoole-1.6519734

[Tracker]

12 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservative-leadership-campaign-hacking-allegation-otoole-1.6519734

Just Tories being Tories. 

[blue_gold_84]

https://pressprogress.ca/only-1-in-10-canadians-believe-free-speech-is-in-crisis-despite-what-right-wing-voices-claim/

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New research suggests a lopsided majority of Canadians do not believe “free speech” is on the verge of disappearing in Canada, findings that pour a tall glass of cold water on claims promoted by Pierre Poilievre and right-wing media sources.

According to a new survey released by the University of Saskatchewan’s Canadian Hub for Applied and Social Research, the belief that “freedom of speech” is in crisis appears to be a top-of-mind concern for a very small – but very loud – minority of Canadians.

Only 12.4% of respondents said they believe Canadians have little to no “freedom of speech” – by contrast, more than eight-in-ten Canadians take a less catastrophic view.

“The majority of respondents (85.9%) believe Canadians fully or somewhat have freedom of speech,” the USask survey states.

“We decided to ask about freedom specifically, given (Conservative leadership candidate) Pierre Poilievre’s campaign focus on the word and other recent events,” USask researcher Jason Disano explained in a release. “It would be relevant to find out if people truly feel free, as opposed to the rhetoric coming out of campaigns.”

The research does suggest some noteworthy regional differences – while anxieties over “freedom of speech” were lowest in Atlantic Canada and Québec, nearly one-in-five (18.5%) respondents in the Prairies said they felt they have little to no free speech.

Even then, four-in-five people (81.1%) in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba do not share the same anxieties over the state of free speech in Canada.

The research also reinforces a number of recent surveys showing an overwhelming majority of Canadians support taking action to crack down on hateful speech: Three-quarters of respondents (72.9%) said they want support stronger government action against hate speech while two-thirds (68%) want private corporations, such as social media platforms, to crack down on hate speech.

 

[Bigblue204]

I volunteer to take all the cheques from people who ***** and complain about the carbon tax. Just send me a message on here and we can work out the details!

[rebusrankin]

6 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I volunteer to take all the cheques from people who ***** and complain about the carbon tax. Just send me a message on here and we can work out the details!

Happy to take the $208 that I got.

[Mark H.]

Take in a couple billion in carbon tax revenue, earn some interest on it, then return it to the tax payer. 

[blue_gold_84]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/climate-action-incentive-payment-1.6521683

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The first instalment of the federal government's Climate Action Incentive payment landed in Canadian bank accounts today — but only for residents of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario.

The program is designed to offset some costs imposed by Ottawa's carbon tax system, which applies a price on emissions including those generated by the use of gasoline and natural gas.

The payments are available only to the residents of provinces without pollution pricing systems that meet the new federal standard.

In all the other provinces and territories, proceeds generated by carbon taxes are returned to provincial and territorial governments, rather than to residents directly.

Ottawa says it "does not keep any direct proceeds from pollution pricing," which is viewed as a strategy to penalize industries that produce carbon emissions and to encourage adaptations and innovations that reduce pollution.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2022/03/climate-action-incentive-payment-amounts-for-2022-23.html

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Under the federal carbon pollution pricing system, the government applies a price on pollution in jurisdictions that do not have their own systems that meet the federal benchmark – specifically Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta.

The Government of Canada does not keep any direct proceeds from pollution pricing. All direct proceeds are returned to the province or territory of origin in the following way:

• For those jurisdictions that have voluntarily adopted the federal system, direct proceeds are returned to the governments of those jurisdictions.
• For those provinces that do not meet the federal stringency requirements—Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta— approximately 90 per cent of direct proceeds are returned to residents of those provinces through Climate Action Incentive (CAI) payments. The other 10 per cent is used to support small businesses, farmers, and Indigenous groups.

The government has proposed to deliver CAI payments on a quarterly basis starting this year. Payments will start in July 2022 with a "double-up" payment that will return proceeds from the first two quarters of the 2022-23 fuel charge year (April-June and July-September), followed by single quarterly payments in October 2022 and January 2023.

[Noeller]

40 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Take in a couple billion in carbon tax revenue, earn some interest on it, then return it to the tax payer. 

this is EXTREMELY cynical....and a tough way to live life. My understanding on things (which, granted, is mostly from Poli-scribe Max Fawcett) is that we're actually getting more money back from the rebate than we pay out in carbon pricing, and in theory we're working toward carbon reduction targets, as with every other developed nation on the planet. 

[Goalie]

As someone who worked 5 years in my early teens a person who did political polling, trust me when I say this... they don't mean nothing. 

Lol at political polling. It's all about where you calling, when you calling and depending on who answered the phone completely. Could call 1 house then call 2 weeks later get a different person and a different response.  It probably shouldn't be taken seriously.  I always laughed when I heard about this guy or that guy leading in the polls. Or this party or that party cuz a week later it changes.  You get hardcore cons libs democrats but they all don't matter cuz they will vote that way regardless 

Edited July 15, 2022 by Goalie

[Mark H.]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

this is EXTREMELY cynical....and a tough way to live life. My understanding on things (which, granted, is mostly from Poli-scribe Max Fawcett) is that we're actually getting more money back from the rebate than we pay out in carbon pricing, and in theory we're working toward carbon reduction targets, as with every other developed nation on the planet. 

Call me cynical if you like, but why is the money being rebated and/or sent back to the provinces?

Maybe someone who lives in a province that is meeting the federal requirements, could provide some information about their initiatives?

Taxes should be used to provide services - in this case, the service of combatting climate change

In this case, tree planting programs would be a good start.  It currently costs around $50 to purchase a quality sapling from a nursery

Not many people are going to plant a significant number of trees with their own money

 

[JCon]

Just now, Mark H. said:

Call me cynical if you like, but why is the money being rebated and/or sent back to the provinces?

Maybe someone who lives in a province that is meeting the federal requirements, could provide some information about their initiatives?

Taxes should be used to provide services - in this case, the service of combatting climate change

In this case, tree planting programs would be a good start.  It currently costs around $50 to purchase a quality sapling from a nursery

Not many people are going to plant a significant number of trees with their own money

 

This is not tax. A tax goes into general revenue. Carbon pricing collects the funds and directs it back to consumers. That varies by Province; however, the funds do NOT go into general revenue and cannot be used for other purposes. 

We have a tree palnting program that is funded by taxation. 

[JCon]

And, I too wish that it was a tax and the funds were going back into fight climate change. But, this is about changing consumer behaviour. 

[Mark H.]

12 minutes ago, JCon said:

This is not tax. A tax goes into general revenue. Carbon pricing collects the funds and directs it back to consumers. That varies by Province; however, the funds do NOT go into general revenue and cannot be used for other purposes. 

We have a tree palnting program that is funded by taxation. 

My understanding is it only goes back to consumers if the province they live in doesn't have a carbon pricing plan in place

Yes, there are tree planting grants available that you can apply for.  I just think there should be publicly funded tree nurseries, similar to the way the PFRA program worked

 

[JCon]

2 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

My understanding is it only goes back to consumers if the province they live in doesn't have a carbon pricing plan in place

Yes, there are tree planting grants available that you can apply for.  I just think there should be publicly funded tree nurseries, similar to the way the PFRA program worked

 

Yes, but the other provinces have their own plans. Those programs vary but for AB, SK, MB, and ON, we get it rebated. 

 

More trees!!!

[blue_gold_84]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/united-people-canada-st-brigids-lowertown-ottawa-1.6523811

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The doors of St. Brigid's have been painted red and banners bearing a white tree insignia hang on either side.

It's a striking visual that's captured the attention of community members and left some with questions, including about possible connections to this past winter's Freedom Convoy.

A director for the group flatly denied any link with the protest that shut down part of downtown Ottawa for three weeks this past winter, saying it's not associated with the convoy and anyone who says otherwise is spreading misinformation.

But one of the organization's directors has shared posts about the convoy on social media and a second described herself as an adviser to Dwayne Lich, the husband of convoy leader Tamara Lich, during her bail process.

Corporate filings for TUPC show it was founded as a not-for-profit on March 24 and lists three directors: (William) Komer, Kimberly Ward and Diane Nolan.

In a video posted on March 7, following Freedom Convoy leader Tamara Lich's bail hearing, a woman who identified herself as Kimberly Ward described herself as an adviser for Dwayne Lich, Tamara Lich's husband.

"This is just the start of something that's so beautiful for Canada," she says in the video, asking people to pray for the couple. "Know that they stood for most of us."

Komer confirmed the woman in the video is the same Kimberly Ward who sits on the TUPC board.

Posts shared on Nolan's Facebook page include several associated with the Freedom Convoy and the movement it's inspired, such as the Canadian Convoy Rally Song.

These turds are absolutely insufferable.

[rebusrankin]

Don Plett, MB Senator and leader of the Conservative Senate Caucus came out in support of PP. Most ironic statement is in the same piece he says that all are welcome in the CPC and that the CPC needs to get rid of the woke elements in the party. Very unaware.