Canadian Politics

[Sard]

7 hours ago, WildPath said:

It is important for people who see things from the right side of the political spectrum to realize the party is moving away from them toward a very unhealthy MAGA-style politics fueled by, and propagating misinformation. It is better for our country to have a party on the conservative side that actually believes in conservative values, rather than what they currently represent. The sane part of the country/party need to drag the party back towards that after Bergen/PP rather than toward the Bernier/PPC side. We've seen how that egg can't be unscrambled in the US.

Why would anyone want to go in that direction? I'm legitimately baffled that the events in the US haven't pushed the PC party closer to the centre to avoid that at all costs. Several unsuccessful elections in a row so stoop to a strategy that has worked elsewhere?

I think the part that they saw that worked was it won an election down there and all they are looking for is to have power for the sake of being able to say that they have power.  There's no platform because it doesn't matter, if they can spew garbage and win, that's all that they want.

[TrueBlue4ever]

The Republicans are taking this approach because they know that white people are becoming a minority in the US, and they can no longer rely on having the pure numbers on their side, so they don’t try to court the majority because they know they will never have it. So they divide to strengthen their base and hope that the moderates and progressives split the liberal vote. Is the same cultural shift occurring in Canada, where immigrants are the coming majority? 

[GCn20]

22 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

With the decline of main stream media the politically illiterate population in Canada seems to be growing to match the US, these are people who are not at all interested in politics, never followed or understood our system of govt. and in fact hate the subject with passion. They simply react to dog whistles and bumper stickers and are enthusiastic to vote for any moron they don't currently hate to lead them over a cliff.  The CPC understands this well, encourages it, and happily exploits it.

As Trudeau has consistently done his entire tenure. What's your point?

[17to85]

5 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

As Trudeau has consistently done his entire tenure. What's your point?

Jesus christ it is constantly whataboutism. This is why I have given up on the conservatives.  They have no policy other than  Trudeau bad! Which is **** policy and governance. No one hates Trudeau enough to overlook the crap conservatives are pushing.

[GCn20]

I agree on most points about where the CPC seems to be heading, yet it appears that there must be some big time dissatisfaction with the current government as this strategy is showing tangible positive results in the polls for the CPC. Is it the social media effect? Is it an electorate simply tired of the Liberal government? A little of both? That's why I said the polls seems fascinating to me because I never expected Ontario and Quebec, in particular, to bounce to the CPC in the polls like they have since PP took over. 

[TrueBlue4ever]

Those polls that are showing a bump for the CPC also show that Trudeau is favoured over Pollievre as PM personally. So the bump may be in spite of Pierre rather than because of him, and is due to the CPC changing leaders and getting attention for their new direction (and claims of unity, despite an MP resigning right after). In any event, the election is 3 years away, so I don’t put much stock in a snapshot poll taken today having much significance about the national mood on the “fatigue of the Trudeau government”. 

[17to85]

And government fatigue is a real thing, and with all the inflation happening right now any government is going to take a hit... but I don't see any ideas from the conservatives that would make things any better, and i have seen first hand what a Harper disciple has done in charge of Alberta and it's been nothing but making life more expensive for me.

[Mark F]

On 2022-09-24 at 8:54 AM, HardCoreBlue said:

There is no true well thought out conservative platforms here

probably like everything they do, following the lead of the Republicans.

2020 us election. 

"The Republican Party took an unusual approach to writing its convention platform for 2020: It decided not to write one."

as you said, doesn't seem to matter to a lot of people.

lots of these  crackpot people running for school trustee, municipal  council in B.C. october election.

its not easy to find out who they are either. media where I live are failing on this.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Mark F

[Mark H.]

3 hours ago, 17to85 said:

And government fatigue is a real thing, and with all the inflation happening right now any government is going to take a hit... but I don't see any ideas from the conservatives that would make things any better, and i have seen first hand what a Harper disciple has done in charge of Alberta and it's been nothing but making life more expensive for me.

So, the cost of living Alberta is rising faster than in other parts of the country?

 

15 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

The Republicans are taking this approach because they know that white people are becoming a minority in the US, and they can no longer rely on having the pure numbers on their side, so they don’t try to court the majority because they know they will never have it. So they divide to strengthen their base and hope that the moderates and progressives split the liberal vote. Is the same cultural shift occurring in Canada, where immigrants are the coming majority? 

The United States population is still around 60% white.  The Republican party has issues, but I don't think that's one of them. 

[17to85]

29 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

So, the cost of living Alberta is rising faster than in other parts of the country

That's a loaded question, but decisions the UCP have made regarding energy and insurance regulations are a direct cost to consumers based on their policies. It's not about cost of loving increases overall, it's about their decisions passing costs onto consumers. 

[Mark H.]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

That's a loaded question, but decisions the UCP have made regarding energy and insurance regulations are a direct cost to consumers based on their policies. It's not about cost of loving increases overall, it's about their decisions passing costs onto consumers. 

Agreed. So have the feds, so has every provincial government. 

Then there are other factors beyond any government's control.  It's insane how quickly grain and oil seed prices have doubled and even tripled.

 

[Tracker]

4 hours ago, Mark H. said:

So, the cost of living Alberta is rising faster than in other parts of the country?

 

The United States population is still around 60% white.  The Republican party has issues, but I don't think that's one of them. 

Not entirely true. The percentage of non-Caucasian people in the US is growing and the racists are using the "I will not be replaced" Nazi slogan and other similar ones to stoke fears. Fear is all the right wing has these bigots have- fear of gays, coloured people, socialism, immigrants, authoritarian Democrat governments, certain books, media and on and on. Ironically, they seem very willing to submit to an authoritarian government that professes themselves to be guardians of freedom and are willing to force their minority views on the majority. Bizarre.

[TrueBlue4ever]

5 hours ago, Mark H. said:

The United States population is still around 60% white.  The Republican party has issues, but I don't think that's one of them. 

It has been trending down though. Was 72% a decade ago, and whites are projected to be a minority in the US by 2045. And immigrants and minorities typically vote Democrat. 

[WildPath]

Despite winning elections, racism has been isolated as a significant factor that directly led to Obama receiving less votes than expected results. Trump and all the politicians that have since jumped on the Trump bandwagon also do better than expected amongst racists. Any increase in minorities plays poorly for them in polling, but good for them in terms of inflaming voters that immigrants are the cause of their problems. There is some interesting stats/analysis on this in the book "Everybody Lies" by Seth Stevens-Davidowitz.

10 hours ago, GCn20 said:

I agree on most points about where the CPC seems to be heading

Interesting to say for someone that has basically been a Pollievre parrot with lines like "JUSTINFLATION" would say this. One of the big problems with PP is that his followers have little care or little ability to comprehend facts. If political popularity were decided by good policy and facts, PP would have no chance and wouldn't come close to leading anything but the PPC. I'd assume most people critical of PP/CPC on this forum take issue with the embrace of misinformation and lack of legitimate policies way more than his annoying personality.

What specific concerns you about the direction the CPC is heading?

Edited September 26, 2022 by WildPath

[Mark H.]

54 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

It has been trending down though. Was 72% a decade ago, and whites are projected to be a minority in the US by 2045. And immigrants and minorities typically vote Democrat. 

They probably do. But US elections are decided by half a dozen or so swing states, the rest are entrenched. 

[Tracker]

7 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

They probably do. But US elections are decided by half a dozen or so swing states, the rest are entrenched. 

There are some encouraging that some of  traditionally GOP voters, even in swing states have finally seen Trump for the wouldbe tyrant and grifter he is and always has been. 

[GCn20]

15 hours ago, WildPath said:

Despite winning elections, racism has been isolated as a significant factor that directly led to Obama receiving less votes than expected results. Trump and all the politicians that have since jumped on the Trump bandwagon also do better than expected amongst racists. Any increase in minorities plays poorly for them in polling, but good for them in terms of inflaming voters that immigrants are the cause of their problems. There is some interesting stats/analysis on this in the book "Everybody Lies" by Seth Stevens-Davidowitz.

Interesting to say for someone that has basically been a Pollievre parrot with lines like "JUSTINFLATION" would say this. One of the big problems with PP is that his followers have little care or little ability to comprehend facts. If political popularity were decided by good policy and facts, PP would have no chance and wouldn't come close to leading anything but the PPC. I'd assume most people critical of PP/CPC on this forum take issue with the embrace of misinformation and lack of legitimate policies way more than his annoying personality.

What specific concerns you about the direction the CPC is heading?

I don't like the swing away from centre. Concerns me about the CPC, and it concerns me about the Liberals as well. I don't particularly care for the way politics are heading here, and in the US either. Polarization and shifting out to the extremes is not particularly helpful to anyone. I completely agree with Poilievre on some fiscal issues he is flogging, but I do not support the use of boogeyman politics by either the left or right of the political spectrum. I don't care for the "freedom" platform of Poilievre, just as I don't care for aspects of Liberal populism that have been flogged under Trudeau. I wish all parties would just get back to the business of running our country and quit virtue signalling to the extremes of their parties.

I would hate to see Canada become as polarized as what is happening in the US, and I'm afraid we will head down that road if neither the CPC or Liberals step back to the middle. Whoever goes back to the middle will get my vote. Not closest to centrist politics but actual centrist politics, otherwise llke I did last election I will register a protest vote.

Edited September 26, 2022 by GCn20

[Noeller]

13 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I don't like the swing away from centre. Concerns me about the CPC, and it concerns me about the Liberals as well. I don't particularly care for the way politics are heading here, and in the US either. Polarization and shifting out to the extremes is not particularly helpful to anyone. I completely agree with Poilievre on some fiscal issues he is flogging, but I do not support the use of boogeyman politics by either the left or right of the political spectrum. I don't care for the "freedom" platform of Poilievre, just as I don't care for aspects of Liberal populism that have been flogged under Trudeau. I wish all parties would just get back to the business of running our country and quit virtue signalling to the extremes of their parties.

I would hate to see Canada become as polarized as what is happening in the US, and I'm afraid we will head down that road if neither the CPC or Liberals step back to the middle. Whoever goes back to the middle will get my vote. Not closest to centrist politics but actual centrist politics, otherwise llke I did last election I will register a protest vote.

So just to clarify here: You think the Liberals are too far left? 

[17to85]

40 minutes ago, Noeller said:

So just to clarify here: You think the Liberals are too far left? 

I mean if given his way Trudeau definitely would go further left.... but the party itself keeps things pretty aligned to the middle. 

Problem is the conservatives are doing a hard sprint to the right expecting everyone else to chase them as happened in the states. I think itnks actually good that it isn't happening here.

[Rich]

I think there are a growing number of Canadians who don't feel represented by any party.

[17to85]

14 minutes ago, Rich said:

I think there are a growing number of Canadians who don't feel represented by any party.

Hi, that would be me. But I am not voting against our collective best interests just because Justin Trudeau and the liberals are elitist jagoffs.

[HardCoreBlue]

6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Hi, that would be me. But I am not voting against our collective best interests just because Justin Trudeau and the liberals are elitist jagoffs.

Yup I find JT more concerned and focused with how he's viewed globally than in is own back yard. 

[Bigblue204]

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

I mean if given his way Trudeau definitely would go further left.... but the party itself keeps things pretty aligned to the middle. 

Can you give an example of this? I'm not Trudeau supporter....but I can't think of any evidence of him wanting to go further left

[JCon]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Can you give an example of this? I'm not Trudeau supporter....but I can't think of any evidence of him wanting to go further left

I guess it depends on where you put healthcare and childcare on the spectrum. 

I don't know where you put pipelines, which he's purchased, or expanding O&G to records exports but Alberta hates that he's expanded it so much. 

[Fatty Liver]

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