Canadian Politics

[blue_gold_84]

1 minute ago, JCon said:

But, they need to communicate that to everyone. They're just too smug and do not speak to the entire country. It hurts them. 

The general haughtiness of the LPC does them absolutely no favours. That's evidenced in the polls, even if they don't mean much right now.

[Noeller]

are the NDP and CPC blue-collar people talking to the middle-class?? I don't understand why the LPC are singled out for so-called smugness/snobbiness.... I mean, PP himself is a career politician who has never held any job outside of politics....... why are they different? 

[JCon]

Just now, Noeller said:

I respect your opinion as much as anyone's, but for me, personally, I have never seen that...or never felt that vibe. I don't know what it says about ME, personally, but I have never felt the smugness/snobbiness that people talk about. I get that from every politician....

I completely understand. For me, I appreciate what they communicate but it doesn't work for everyone. I am engaged, I follow it and I am educated in political science/studies. So, policy stuff interests me.

However, most are not and relate to what they see on a daily basis. Inflation - that's important to everyone and it impacts people differently. They are not communicating this very well. There are lots of other examples, including the narrative on carbon pricing. Sure they won the legal battle but those opposed still control the narrative. 

3 minutes ago, Noeller said:

are the NDP and CPC blue-collar people talking to the middle-class?? I don't understand why the LPC are singled out for so-called smugness/snobbiness.... I mean, PP himself is a career politician who has never held any job outside of politics....... why are they different? 

He's a landlord too, don't forget. 

[blue_gold_84]

2 minutes ago, Noeller said:

are the NDP and CPC blue-collar people talking to the middle-class?? 

Singh has a bit of arrogance at times but he has no clout, IMO.

Poilievre pretends to be an everyman but the ones he fools are useful idiots who foam at the mouth when he blows his dog whistles.

I'd argue 99% of politicians are smug and out of touch. The difference here is the LPC has been in power for nearly a decade, so theirs is magnified with them being in the spotlight (and often weaponized by their opponents).

[JCon]

PP has been effective communicating to his base. I'm not sure if it resonates far outside but he's built up quite a catalogue of complaints. Complaints play well and get votes with dissatisfied voters. 

 

I'm not sure that the Libs are losing support, as much as they are losing voters. That is to say, the ability to motivate Libs to get out and vote, is waning. 

[blue_gold_84]

Voter apathy is the enemy of democracy. We've seen that play out at various levels here in Canada in recent years.

How that affects our nation's political landscape in the near future remains to be seen but I think it's fair to say it's not a positive outlook.

[JCon]

1 minute ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Voter apathy is the enemy of democracy. We've seen that play out at various levels here in Canada in recent years.

How that affects our nation's political landscape in the near future remains to be seen but I think it's fair to say it's not a positive outlook.

It seems most don't like any of the current leaders. At least, support is down. So, how do you motivate your base, get out the vote, with an unpopular leader? As a population, we are disengaged. 

[GCn20]

10 minutes ago, JCon said:

PP has been effective communicating to his base. I'm not sure if it resonates far outside but he's built up quite a catalogue of complaints. Complaints play well and get votes with dissatisfied voters. 

 

I'm not sure that the Libs are losing support, as much as they are losing voters. That is to say, the ability to motivate Libs to get out and vote, is waning. 

Nik Nanos suggests it is both according to his polling. Support is down, and confirmed Liberal support appears soft. I would think that Trudeau will begin ramping up some wedge issues soon. 

 

1 minute ago, JCon said:

It seems most don't like any of the current leaders. At least, support is down. So, how do you motivate your base, get out the vote, with an unpopular leader? As a population, we are disengaged. 

Can't say I blame anyone for being pretty uninspired by the choices out there.

8 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Voter apathy is the enemy of democracy. We've seen that play out at various levels here in Canada in recent years.

How that affects our nation's political landscape in the near future remains to be seen but I think it's fair to say it's not a positive outlook.

Voter apathy is a natural part of democracy. The party that best taps into the disenchanted/disillusioned and gets them out to vote while keeping their base will win. 

Edited March 31, 2023 by GCn20

[blue_gold_84]

6 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Voter apathy is a natural part of democracy.

In order to function properly or optimally, democracy requires an engaged (and informed) populace.

Apathetic voters who choose not to show up and cast a ballot result in the kind of election results we saw in Ontario last June. I worry for similar outcomes in other jurisdictions.

[JCon]

FFS. I knew it was coming and I'm still angry. 

We'll hold them accountable this time, trust us! 

 

This is bad for consumers. 

[HardCoreBlue]

17 minutes ago, JCon said:

FFS. I knew it was coming and I'm still angry. 

We'll hold them accountable this time, trust us! 

 

This is bad for consumers. 

Corner the market, no competition, we too big to fail so we will be propped up when we aren’t hitting our profit margins but no worry we will be held ‘accountable’.
 

Alrighty then, we screwed.

[blue_gold_84]

Canada is an oligarchy that pretends to be a democracy.

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, blue_gold_84 said:

In order to function properly or optimally, democracy requires an engaged (and informed) populace.

Apathetic voters who choose not to show up and cast a ballot result in the kind of election results we saw in Ontario last June. I worry for similar outcomes in other jurisdictions.

Democracy has always seen periods of disengagement, but yes I do agree that apathy creates problems for democracy. As for informed populace....that is impossible in today's day and age. Politicians lie, or with hold the fact, and the media is completely biased one way or the other. Couple that with the massive amount of BS on social media it is near impossible for anyone to get accurate information without exhaustive fact checking missions, and who has time for that.

[17to85]

You can be informed by exercising critical thinking. You can tell if something is presented based on well researched facts or if it's biased click bait. Requires investment in people's education though to develop those skills. Which is the exact opposite of what many politicians (ie. Conservatives) want because a populace that just believes what they're told is easier to lie to.

[rebusrankin]

PP was asked in the house to define woke. He went onto claim its a bunch of things designed to divide Canadians further along racial, religious, vaccine status lines. One thats not a definition and more importantly how much time does one need to realize that the statement is false and ignorant and yet another reason not to vote for him?

[GCn20]

23 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

You can be informed by exercising critical thinking. You can tell if something is presented based on well researched facts or if it's biased click bait. Requires investment in people's education though to develop those skills. Which is the exact opposite of what many politicians (ie. Conservatives) want because a populace that just believes what they're told is easier to lie to.

Sure, so long as you have open, honest, and transparent government that doesn't spew word salad constantly, and a media without bias, one can use critical thinking. However, that is not the case right now with governments. How do you become informed when a government refuses to be transparent. Those who are hyper interested might be able to weed through it but most people simply don't have the time or the inclination. Right now the only people to blame for voter apathy are the politicians themselves. The Liberals finding voter apathy amongst their core is a direct result of their own actions.

Edited March 31, 2023 by GCn20

[Noeller]

11 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Sure, so long as you have open, honest, and transparent government that doesn't spew word salad constantly, and a media without bias, one can use critical thinking. However, that is not the case right now with governments. How do you become informed when a government refuses to be transparent. Those who are hyper interested might be able to weed through it but most people simply don't have the time or the inclination. Right now the only people to blame for voter apathy are the politicians themselves. The Liberals finding voter apathy amongst their core is a direct result of their own actions.

This has never existed in my lifetime, and I would suggest.....ever. 

[rebusrankin]

We also have access to more information than previous generations. I'm not saying Twitter is the be all end all but its really easy to use a social media platform like it to find out all sorts of things about politicians. For example, how many supported the convoy because they posted about supporting it along with pictures and videos. How many posted about vaccines killing kids, wef conspiracies or trash about teachers showing kindergarten kids porn. Doesn't take much to find things about and form opinions from there.

[WildPath]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

PP was asked in the house to define woke. He went onto claim its a bunch of things designed to divide Canadians further along racial, religious, vaccine status lines. One thats not a definition and more importantly how much time does one need to realize that the statement is false and ignorant and yet another reason not to vote for him?

What he means is well-educated and informed. Most informed and educated voters don't sit well with him and his antics so he needs to borrow a term from the US to refer to that segment of the population pejoratively so his followers have a negative term to identify and throw their hate at.

Also, is there a clip of this somewhere? I'd love to hear his definition.

[rebusrankin]

7 minutes ago, WildPath said:

What he means is well-educated and informed. Most informed and educated voters don't sit well with him and his antics so he needs to borrow a term from the US to refer to that segment of the population pejoratively so his followers have a negative term to identify and throw their hate at.

Also, is there a clip of this somewhere? I'd love to hear his definition.

youtube.com/watch?v=j8RVjTvINFE

 

Sarah Fisher director of communications for the PC Party has the clip on her twitter account as well.

Edited March 31, 2023 by rebusrankin

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

4 hours ago, Noeller said:

are the NDP and CPC blue-collar people talking to the middle-class?? I don't understand why the LPC are singled out for so-called smugness/snobbiness.... I mean, PP himself is a career politician who has never held any job outside of politics....... why are they different? 

I guess when you form government, you are held to a higher standard.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Sure, so long as you have open, honest, and transparent government that doesn't spew word salad constantly, and a media without bias, one can use critical thinking. However, that is not the case right now with governments. How do you become informed when a government refuses to be transparent. Those who are hyper interested might be able to weed through it but most people simply don't have the time or the inclination. Right now the only people to blame for voter apathy are the politicians themselves. The Liberals finding voter apathy amongst their core is a direct result of their own actions.

not sure how you went from A and conclude B... you basically argue that people are too ******* lazy to follow politics, yet blame politicians for people's laziness. 

[SpeedFlex27]

6 hours ago, JCon said:

He literally appointed a rapporteur to investigate and report back. 

There is also National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians. 

Nothing is blocked. 

What is a special rapporteur? Don't agree. If there's nothing to hide then why not approve a federal enquiry? All parliamentarians except Trudeau are calling for it. Then do it. 

[JCon]

1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

What is a special rapporteur? Don't agree. If there's nothing to hide then why not approve a federal enquiry? All parliamentarians except Trudeau are calling for it. Then do it. 

You don't agree that the Gov't appointed a rapporteur? Say what? 

[17to85]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Sure, so long as you have open, honest, and transparent government that doesn't spew word salad constantly, and a media without bias, one can use critical thinking. However, that is not the case right now with governments. How do you become informed when a government refuses to be transparent. Those who are hyper interested might be able to weed through it but most people simply don't have the time or the inclination. Right now the only people to blame for voter apathy are the politicians themselves. The Liberals finding voter apathy amongst their core is a direct result of their own actions.

What are you on about? It's not bloody hard to see the difference between biased pieces and impartial reporting. It's all in the language that is used. Critical thinking is a skill that is sadly very under used. There is a reason that the usual suspects call educated people "woke" or other things. It's because no matter what degree you get you are taught how to think critically in order to get that degree. As a result the educated are less likely to support the lunatics and why the ones who see through the bullshit are so disdainful of the people who lap it up.