Canadian Politics

[rebusrankin]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

No doubt. I am yet to see an opposition party table policies, or costed plans, in many many years. I find it ironic that people are criticizing the federal CPC for not doing it, but are fully on board with our provincial NDP who are even more vague on what policies and plans they would bring to the table.

The provincial NDP has stated they will reintroduce a grant program for doctors that the PCs cut and also increase funds to recruit doctors to rural area. Fairly clear policy.

Care to post a plan that the federal Conservatives plan to introduce?

[Bigblue204]

2 hours ago, Wideleft said:

History is a pretty good guide.

It can be. But that leaves too much to the imagination imo.

1 minute ago, rebusrankin said:

The provincial NDP has stated they will reintroduce a grant program for doctors that the PCs cut and also increase funds to recruit doctors to rural area. Fairly clear policy.

Care to post a plan that the federal Conservatives plan to introduce?

Makes us more.....free? 

[JCon]

Truly folks, blocking is easy and, in many ways, more respectful. I don't engage with that poster because I blocked them ages ago. Nothing to offer, nothing to contribute. So, rather than going back and forth, I just block them and only see their posts when they are quoted. 

It also allows the blocked poster to continue with whatever they want to post without someone, in this case me, responding to them all the time. They post in peace, I post in peace. 

Trolls love attention. You feed a troll and it will come back, again and again. 

[voodoochylde]

22 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

If you have that power have at it. If you don't then move on and mind your own business. I am unclear why you guys think it's acceptable to bully others on these political threads but when someone speaks out against it they are the bad guy? Read the words that are said by posters like bluegold84. If people are deserving of timeouts for name calling that is where a mod should start right there. If that's not enforced but calling someone out for doing it is, then this is not a forum I would want to be part of anyway. However, I believe RIch is a little better than that.

I do though .. I'd encourage everyone to keep it civil.

[17to85]

1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said:

From the Edmonton Sun, letter to the Editor:

'I think it is time for Edmonton voters to correct their voting choices. For years Edmonton was the ONLY place in the province where you could vote communist. Now we have many Edmonton voters who choose to vote socialist. There is only one taxpayer. Voting for the NDP will only bankrupt Alberta. The time has come to retire Notley and her destructive NDP spenders. I believe the UCP under Smith will do great things for Edmonton and all Albertans. Next on the agenda for Edmonton voters will be to get rid of the Liberal Sohi and his bike riding council. Oh and by the way, once Ontario and Toronto voters quit voting Liberal, Albertans will remove the curse put on the Toronto Maple Leafs'.

Ken Iskiw

A great example of critical thinking, healthy skepticism and just another view point to add to the discussion on who will provide a sound mandate to help all Albertans.

C'mon bro.

 

Yep nothing says fiscal responsibility like throwing a billion (that's billion, with a B ) dollars at a pipeline that was never going to get built. 

Or giving a massive tax cut to corporations and watching some big ones skip town anyway. 

Good old fiscally responsible conservatives.

[GCn20]

27 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

The provincial NDP has stated they will reintroduce a grant program for doctors that the PCs cut and also increase funds to recruit doctors to rural area. Fairly clear policy.

Care to post a plan that the federal Conservatives plan to introduce?

Like I said, I have not heard a costed plan from anyone federally or provincially yet. 

12 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

I do though .. I'd encourage everyone to keep it civil.

Fair enough. Just would like to point out that dissenting opinions on this thread get a lot of responses that would go against the code of conduct. We all have our big boy pants on here though but it would be awfully unfair for someone to be threatened with a time out for calling someone a Karen when responding to a post calling them an expletive pizza cutter. 

Edited May 4, 2023 by GCn20

[blue_gold_84]

1 hour ago, Wideleft said:

You best take a timeout before someone gives you one.

The trash will take itself out if you don't engage.

1 hour ago, JCon said:

Truly folks, blocking is easy and, in many ways, more respectful. I don't engage with that poster because I blocked them ages ago. Nothing to offer, nothing to contribute. So, rather than going back and forth, I just block them and only see their posts when they are quoted. 

It also allows the blocked poster to continue with whatever they want to post without someone, in this case me, responding to them all the time. They post in peace, I post in peace. 

Trolls love attention. You feed a troll and it will come back, again and again. 

Starve the troll the same way they starve their brains of oxygen.

[Rich]

There are a number of posters in these threads that I would say post here in bad faith and a high percentage of posts are nothing but slinging veiled insults at other posters and "the other side".  And before you go and assume it is "someone else".  Take a long hard look in the mirror.   If you aren't sure, PM me, and I'd be glad to tell you my opinion of where I see you on that spectrum.

I see a lot of posts criticizing politicians for not actually articulating a platform anymore.  So many parallels I see in the discussion here.

I've long debated just shutting down any political discussions on this message board.  I signed up for running a CFL / Bomber forum.  Not politics.  And would never ever get involved in trying to moderate a politics forum.   

The discussion (and I use the term discussion very loosely as that is not what takes place in the majority of posts in here) in the politics threads has deteriorated a lot over the years, and I unfortunately view it as a microcosm of what also appears to be happening at scale across our Country.  I find that  sad.

I'm honestly tired and embarrassed by the discussions that generally take place in these threads, to the point where I open them, read one sentence, and move on.  It isn't interesting.  It isn't entertaining.  It is the same predictable rehashed words over and over.

Just my thoughts and opinion .... something for ya'll to think about if you want to be able to discuss these topics here.

[Brandon]

15 minutes ago, Rich said:

There are a number of posters in these threads that I would say post here in bad faith and a high percentage of posts are nothing but slinging veiled insults at other posters and "the other side".  And before you go and assume it is "someone else".  Take a long hard look in the mirror.   If you aren't sure, PM me, and I'd be glad to tell you my opinion of where I see you on that spectrum.

I see a lot of posts criticizing politicians for not actually articulating a platform anymore.  So many parallels I see in the discussion here.

I've long debated just shutting down any political discussions on this message board.  I signed up for running a CFL / Bomber forum.  Not politics.  And would never ever get involved in trying to moderate a politics forum.   

The discussion (and I use the term discussion very loosely as that is not what takes place in the majority of posts in here) in the politics threads has deteriorated a lot over the years, and I unfortunately view it as a microcosm of what also appears to be happening at scale across our Country.  I find that  sad.

I'm honestly tired and embarrassed by the discussions that generally take place in these threads, to the point where I open them, read one sentence, and move on.  It isn't interesting.  It isn't entertaining.  It is the same predictable rehashed words over and over.

Just my thoughts and opinion .... something for ya'll to think about if you want to be able to discuss these topics here.

Maybe have a poll in regards to shutting the political threads down.   I would vote shutting it down.

This site has became so toxic over the last few years that it's driven away casual people and making it very hard to even read the football threads.    

Back in the OurBombers and the beginning of these boards the biggest troll/controversy was Nasty Nate claiming that Lyle Bauer and Wade Miller had secret agendas and everything was so light hearted.  In the last month or so I've read about how all people in Saskatchewan are racist/killer/evil,   how anyone who defends Jeff Browaty is a racist ,  how someone is an idiot because they didn't know the Bombers released a receiver last year, attacking someone because they feel that the draft class this year is subpar,  and many more examples of if someone has a differing opinion that they must be attacked and harassed.   

I have been warned a bazillion times in the last several years ,  the only reason I stir the pot or play devils advocate is to give the quiet people a voice to maybe keep these toxic individuals in check and maybe drive it into their skulls that they are not always right 100% of the time.  Most of these  toxic users I don't remember being around on the Ourbombers forums and I think they are on here purely for an echo chamber to validate whatever beliefs they have.    I see a parallel with reddit/winnipeg   where it used to be a decent community but these same types of folks took over and drove away many of the normal people and now it's one giant cesspool of hate.  It is disappointing to see this site moving in that direction.  

 

[17to85]

2 hours ago, JCon said:

Trolls love attention. You feed a troll and it will come back, again and again. 

Ehhh I don't even believe it's trolling. Reads more to me like "it's just a joke bro!" 

True believers really don't like their world views criticized so the find all sorts of ways to avoid their feefees getting hurt.

[JohnnyAbonny]

10 hours ago, GCn20 said:

 

 

Delete please. My phone sucks and I suck at using it. 
 

Mods have spoken. Both sides bad. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, GCn20 said:

 

Edited May 5, 2023 by JohnnyAbonny

[iHeart]

Make it so

 

[SpeedFlex27]

On 2023-04-28 at 10:30 AM, Fatty Liver said:

During the televised portion of the Freedom Convoy inquiry held in Feb. I thought James Bauder came across as the looniest of the toons on display, apparently God speaks directly to him and told him to start a convoy.  For Danielle Smith the chance to rub shoulders with him prior to an upcoming election is better than a bee to honey.  Oh and apparently Theo attended the same event, can't wait for that photo to turn up.

 

Danielle Smith. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. 

[SpeedFlex27]

I don't love Rachel Notley. I don't love Danielle Smith. She's a nutbar. 

[Bigblue204]

12 hours ago, iHeart said:

Make it so

 

apparently Tucker was going to air a documentary about why the USA should invade Canada. And apparently, it's not a joke lol

[HardCoreBlue]

26 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

apparently Tucker was going to air a documentary about why the USA should invade Canada. And apparently, it's not a joke lol

And the US Legal system response?

It's just entertainment not to believed.

[Tracker]

32 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

And the US Legal system response?

It's just entertainment not to believed.

This is why Merrick Garland's actions are probably the most critical to the survival of American democracy since their last civil war.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, Tracker said:

This is why Merrick Garland's actions are probably the most critical to the survival of American democracy since their last civil war.

Based on his actions to date, seems to be the wrong guy for the job.

[blue_gold_84]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-chong-csis-1.6833343

Quote

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he shared the "best information" he had when he told Canadians a report about a Chinese government plot to target MPs was never shared outside of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, despite information to the contrary. 

But in a news conference Friday, the prime minister refused to answer questions about where the communication failure in his government rests.

"I shared the best information I had at the time," he said.

Trudeau said Friday that Canada's intelligence agencies are made up of professionals who make evaluations on whether a threat is serious or credible and what actions need to be taken.

"They proceeded to go through their processes in the way that they felt was the right thing to do," he said.

"It's also clear that information never made it up to the political level in my office, to me, or even to the minister of Public Safety at the time." 

CSIS has not responded to CBC's request for comment. 

Such a mess.

[Fatty Liver]

2 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-chong-csis-1.6833343

Such a mess.

Here is the response from the Chinese Embassy, sounds like a threat to me.

[17to85]

15 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I don't love Rachel Notley. 

What specifically is it you don't like?

[GCJenks]

On 2023-05-04 at 10:17 AM, Noeller said:

out here, everything is about supporting oil and gas. People who ride bikes, and therefore not cars/trucks/etc, aren't supporting oil and gas. The idea of electric vehicles is enough to cause a stroke out here...

A bit of an ironic story for you, what it means in the larger scope I can’t tell you other than I believe that not all O&G feels the same way about everything. 
 

2008 my aunt and uncle celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary in Leduc, Uncle was a retired Essa exec going back tthe 70’s with time in Libya and Cold Lake for many years  I took my son and we drove in my F150, my cousin now an O&G exec drove up from Calgary in his Camry Hybrid. I think he was the first person I ever knew that drove a hybrid, has always been concerned about the environment and been quite progressive. I fully accept your description if applied to the field workers but I wonder how many of the bosses are actually the same  

 

 

 

[Mark F]

26 minutes ago, GCJenks said:

wonder how many of the bosses are actually the same  

no need to wonder.As of today:

record profit. drilling as much as possible. slowing transition any way possible, including getting laws passed penalizing bank oil divestment policy. greenwashing. funding " skeptics" in legislatures, and on the bench. restricting science, promoting disinformation.

 

Edited May 5, 2023 by Mark F

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

What specifically is it you don't like?

It's not her in particular. She's NDP. I'm leaning more & more to voting NDP because I don't like Danielle Smith either. I don't like her health spending account idea. I don't believe that she'll suddenly stop with her idea of making people pay to see their doctor.  I don't trust her. I also don't think she cares about anyone but herself. I could go on about her talking to that POS Pawloski & having her photo taken with trucker convoy people.  Voting NDP even though I don't like them is a huge change for me politically. I have always voted conservative every federal & provincial election since I turned 18. I'm certainly torn ideologically.

 

Edited May 5, 2023 by SpeedFlex27

[Wideleft]

25 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

It's not her in particular. She's NDP. I'm leaning more & more to voting NDP because I don't like Danielle Smith either. I don't like her health spending account idea. I don't believe that she'll suddenly stop with her idea of making people pay to see their doctor.  I don't trust her. I also don't think she cares about anyone but herself. I could go on about her talking to that POS Pawloski & having her photo taken with trucker convoy people.  Voting NDP even though I don't like them is a huge change for me politically. I have always voted conservative every federal & provincial election since I turned 18. I'm certainly torn ideologically.