Canadian Politics

[Rod Black]

34 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a voter who wants small government, fiscal restraint, and lower taxation …

Correct. Wanting small government and what it brings is not evil. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

I can't think of any government in my lifetime that has shown so little regard for the truth, and the citizens of Canada than this Liberal government.

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by Wanna-B-Fanboy

[JCon]

57 minutes ago, Rod Black said:

Correct. Wanting small government and what it brings is not evil. 

Please show me a platform that would do this? 

[HardCoreBlue]

5 minutes ago, JCon said:

Please show me a platform that would do this? 

And how it would best serve a diverse population.

[Wideleft]

10 minutes ago, JCon said:

Please show me a platform that would do this? 

Conservatives: "We don't talk about privatization until after we're elected".

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

 

Not even close in comparison. Harper is honest Abe compared to the pack of thieves, liars, and charlatans led by Trudeau. 

28 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Conservatives: "We don't talk about privatization until after we're elected".

Keep banging that drum. Boogeyman politics at it's best and to be frank, some of our public services would be vastly improved if privatized because they are horribly inefficient money sucking sink holes. The socialists and unionists who like to suckle at the government teet won't like that opinion, but it is 100% fact. Public service efficiency is non existent due to the overpopulating of middle and higher management that just create bureaucratic sink holes of inefficiency that impede, NOT HELP, the employees on the front line tasked with delivering these services. So despite raising public service employment by 31% in the last 7 years, service has not improved one iota. That is just wasteful spending, creating gate keepers that stifle the economy. But at least that was the one thing Trudeau was honest about. I mean he told us straight up that he has better things to do than to think about the economy....I mean somewhere out there someone used the word mankind.

Edited June 21, 2023 by GCn20

[GCn20]

28 minutes ago, JCon said:

Please show me a platform that would do this? 

Please show me a platform where increasing the number of Canadian government workers by 31% led to any noticeable improvement....unless, of course, you are one of the crooks masquerading as a union official. Your junkets got a whole lot better under Trudeau.

22 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

And how it would best serve a diverse population.

Gimme a break. Show me how a diverse population is best served by big government. Just leads to bureaucracy and red tape so that people who really have no point having a job can try to justify the job they have. 

Edited June 21, 2023 by GCn20

[Rod Black]

42 minutes ago, JCon said:

Please show me a platform that would do this? 

I would think you could either agree or disagree. 
Ill add, do what? 

Edited June 21, 2023 by Rod Black

[Wideleft]

1 hour ago, Rod Black said:

Correct. Wanting small government and what it brings is not evil. 

Because cutting the public service by 18% worked so well for Manitoba between 2016-2023?  Because a 42% vacancy rate in Manitoba Health is so awesome?

Because Kansas proved that small government and low taxation leads to disaster?

It may not be evil, but it sure shows a lack of understanding in how governing a society actually works.

Edited June 21, 2023 by Wideleft

[GCn20]

21 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Because cutting the public service by 18% worked so well for Manitoba between 2016-2023?  Because a 42% vacancy rate in Manitoba Health is so awesome?

Because Kansas proved that small government and low taxation leads to disaster?

It may not be evil, but it sure shows a lack of understanding in how governing a society actually works.

Yes, when the pendulum swings too far in either direction it can hurt for sure. No argument from me there. Free spend may not be evil but it equally lacks the understanding of how governing a society actually works. Bigger public service does not equate to better public service....nor does smaller public service automatically equate to poorer public service. The devil is in the details like all things. It's a rather rudimentary level of understanding to think throwing money at something and making it bigger fixes it, just as it is moronic to slash without finding efficiencies first that allow for it. That is what our provincial PCs did, it was stupid, and that is why they need to go. If they had done it correctly the idea of cutting the big fat bloat of the NDP and it's union overlords was long overdue and necessary. They just ran in with scissors though and cut without removing the gross level of bureaucracy therefore leaving the same amount of work for less people. That never works, but efficiency leads to productivity even with a smaller work force. Hiring Deloitte to do an efficiency review was non-sensical. Talk to your staff instead. Had they done that, the 18% drop in the civil service would not even have made a noticeable difference except to the quality of the union lunches.

Edited June 21, 2023 by GCn20

[Mark H.]

20 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

. If they had done it correctly the idea of cutting the big fat bloat of the NDP and it's union overlords was long overdue and necessary. 

I don't know how you arrive at this conclusion.  Most unions got 1% - 3% annual increases under the NDP. Nurses even took a wage freeze at one point

The current increases are not lower, they are higher

 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Not even close in comparison. Harper is honest Abe compared to the pack of thieves, liars, and charlatans led by Trudeau. 

Keep banging that drum. Boogeyman politics at it's best and to be frank, some of our public services would be vastly improved if privatized because they are horribly inefficient money sucking sink holes. The socialists and unionists who like to suckle at the government teet won't like that opinion, but it is 100% fact. Public service efficiency is non existent due to the overpopulating of middle and higher management that just create bureaucratic sink holes of inefficiency that impede, NOT HELP, the employees on the front line tasked with delivering these services. So despite raising public service employment by 31% in the last 7 years, service has not improved one iota. That is just wasteful spending, creating gate keepers that stifle the economy. But at least that was the one thing Trudeau was honest about. I mean he told us straight up that he has better things to do than to think about the economy....I mean somewhere out there someone used the word mankind.

It's like @GCn20's account was hacked by Ezra Levant. I mean... ****, socialist and unionists teet sucking? Lol

Edited June 21, 2023 by Wanna-B-Fanboy

[Rod Black]

33 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Because cutting the public service by 18% worked so well for Manitoba between 2016-2023?  Because a 42% vacancy rate in Manitoba Health is so awesome?

Because Kansas proved that small government and low taxation leads to disaster?

It may not be evil, but it sure shows a lack of understanding in how governing a society actually works.

So, it’s not evil or “may not” be evil. You have an opinion. That’s fine by me. On an additional point, limiting government authority isn’t evil either.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Please show me a platform where increasing the number of Canadian government workers by 31% led to any noticeable

Context matters...

What time period?

[GCn20]

7 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I don't know how you arrive at this conclusion.  Most unions got 1% - 3% annual increases under the NDP. Nurses even took a wage freeze at one point

The current increases are not lower, they are higher

 

Talking about number of employees not wages. When unnecessary and redundant labor is added to the pool of employees, mostly in middle management positions, it increases the union take big time. 

3 minutes ago, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

Context matters...

What time period?

Since forming government.

[Rod Black]

29 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Bigger public service does not equate to better public service....nor does smaller public service automatically equate to poorer public service. The devil is in the details like all things. It's a rather rudimentary level of understanding to think throwing money at something and making it bigger fixes it, just as it is moronic to slash without finding efficiencies first that allow for it.

that’s insightful. 

[Wideleft]

2 minutes ago, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

Context matters...

What time period?

And how much faster can you get a passport now?  Just one example.  I don't use every government service because I don't need to.  Doesn't mean that there are plenty of others who don't benefit.

[GCn20]

Just now, Rod Black said:

that’s insightful. 

It's common sense, and it's in short supply in the Liberal Party of Canada. I know Trudeau assured us not to worry that the budget would balance itself and not to worry about small details like the economy, but I think after paying 35 bucks for a steak this weekend that most Canadians have seen through that crock.

[Wideleft]

8 minutes ago, Rod Black said:

So, it’s not evil or “may not” be evil. You have an opinion. That’s fine by me. On an additional point, limiting government authority isn’t evil either.

Not evil - just leads to more pollution, less workers' rights, less consumer protection, less safety, stupider people etc. etc.

[GCn20]

3 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

And how much faster can you get a passport now?  Just one example.  I don't use every government service because I don't need to.  Doesn't mean that there are plenty of others who don't benefit.

I have not noticed any difference at all in the speed at which my passport is ready from pre-Trudeau.....and to be honest...that's some pretty low hanging fruit to be bragging about. Whoopedy doo. That's worth 150 billion.

Just now, Wideleft said:

Not evil - just leads to more pollution, less workers' rights, less consumer protection, less safety, stupider people etc. etc.

Baloney.  What it leads to is socialism, higher taxes, worse economy.

Edited June 21, 2023 by GCn20

[Rod Black]

1 minute ago, GCn20 said:

It's common sense, and it's in short supply in the Liberal Party of Canada. I know Trudeau assured us not to worry that the budget would balance itself and not to worry about small details like the economy, but I think after paying 35 bucks for a steak this weekend that most Canadians have seen through that crock.

The same actors that are running the Liberal Party ran the Ontario Liberal Party of Wynn. That was a colossal failure as well. 

[GCn20]

1 minute ago, Rod Black said:

The same actors that are running the Liberal Party ran the Ontario Liberal Party of Wynn. That was a colossal failure as well. 

That party smells like Butts.

[JCon]

6 minutes ago, Rod Black said:

The same actors that are running the Liberal Party ran the Ontario Liberal Party of Wynn. That was a colossal failure as well. 

Much better than the disaster that Ford has been. 

1 hour ago, Rod Black said:

I would think you could either agree or disagree. 
Ill add, do what? 

Pardon? I directly responded to your comment. Please go back and look at that. 

 

[Rod Black]

3 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Not evil - just leads to more pollution, less workers' rights, less consumer protection, less safety, stupider people etc. etc.

Not evil. You’re a better person for agreeing. Each of the things that you mention, are valuable to you, I’ll agree you have a right to value them. 

3 minutes ago, JCon said:

Much better than the disaster that Ford has been. 

Pardon? I directly responded to your comment. Please go back and look at that. 

 

You neither agreed or disagreed. You get to pick. I need to leave for quite a while today, so feel free to take your time on how or if you’d care to respond. 

[Tracker]

The concept of small government is woefully outdated. If you turn the clock back a hundred years or so, the services and demands of government were vastly different. Roads were not paved, it was everyone's responsibility to care for  their own, prescription meds did not have to vetted, extensive military presences were not required, if you could not support yourself, you would slowly starve to death, and on and on. Moreover, wealthy businesses and individuals were not as aggressively dominant in politics. The world has changed dramatically and an involved government is vital to keep some  semblance of balance between the haves and the have-nots. The degree of manipulation both possible and actually by powerful private and corporate interests has scaled up to a degree never seen before.