Zontar Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 Can't call yourself a country or its PM anymore if you're content to just maintain the Quebec City-Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto power corridor that has run Canada for 50 years now . It is an old, taken for granted formula that's dying This election will be the last gasp of the old ways of doing things. The West will guarantee that. After a Lib-left-Green Frankenstein monster gains power the status quo elites who want the corridor to live forever no matter whos in power won't know what hit them.
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: So like the Republicans? No, think of the Democrats.
FrostyWinnipeg Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: No, think of the Democrats. Well the Trumpster is running trillion dollar deficits multiple years running.
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 55 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Well the Trumpster is running trillion dollar deficits multiple years running. Don't let that fool you. If the Democrats get in & they enact some of their climate initiatives & other programs their deficits will be much worse. I'm surprised that the American dollar hasn't collapsed under its own weight. JCon, Wanna-B-Fanboy, kelownabomberfan and 1 other 1 3
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Don't let that fool you. If the Democrats get in & they enact some of their climate initiatives & other programs their deficits will be much worse. I'm surprised that the American dollar hasn't collapsed under its own weight. So... instead of accepting the reality of "what is"- you are banking on "what might" be reality as your argument? Cool, that is one way to go about it. Edited October 21, 2019 by wanna-b-fanboy blue_gold_84 and kelownabomberfan 1 1
Mark H. Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 10 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Don't let that fool you. If the Democrats get in & they enact some of their climate initiatives & other programs their deficits will be much worse. I'm surprised that the American dollar hasn't collapsed under its own weight. In Canada at the federal level, all parties have a history of deficits. All of them. Wanna-B-Fanboy, blue_gold_84 and Wideleft 3
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 58 minutes ago, Mark H. said: In Canada at the federal level, all parties have a history of deficits. All of them. Some worse than others. The Libs won't cost out theirs. The NDP's would be massive. Someone has to pay for it all. Us.
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: So... instead of accepting the reality of "what is"- you are banking on "what might" be reality as your argument? Cool, that is one way to go about it. But isn't that how the Libs, Greens & NDP are doing it? Promise the world. Then figure out later how to pay for it after. Suck...errr… voters.... errr… taxpayers. rebusrankin 1
Mark H. Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Some worse than others. The Libs won't cost out theirs. The NDP's would be massive. Someone has to pay for it all. Us. Their platforms don't matter - they'll deliver about 1/8 of what their promising I'm looking at their past track records and I'll tell you why When Stephen Harper lost in 2015, he said the Conservatives would form government again, and when they did, it would be based on their Conservative values. I find this to be true of any government and party.
SpeedFlex27 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mark H. said: Their platforms don't matter - they'll deliver about 1/8 of what their promising I'm looking at their past track records and I'll tell you why When Stephen Harper lost in 2015, he said the Conservatives would form government again, and when they did, it would be based on their Conservative values. I find this to be true of any government and party. Well, I hope Conservatives do form the government again but I have my doubts.
Wideleft Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 20 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: It would be a disaster if the NDP took power. Spending would be full tilt & federal debt would be out of control. Get used to paying higher taxes to fund the Utopian Society Singh longingly talks about. People like to believe this while believing that conservatives (Conservatives or Republicans) are the best stewards of budgets. Right now, Trump and Ford are spending their brains out while simultaneously cutting services. At least you get programs and services with the NDP plans, who do also on occasion balance their budgets. (on occasion can be said for every party). Wanna-B-Fanboy and Mark H. 2
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 22 hours ago, Brandon said: As a working person who got to where I am from working hard and not being dependant on handouts. It would kill me to watch the NDP bankrupt the country and then tax me to death for it. Did you spend the last 20 years in Winnipeg?
pigseye Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 55 minutes ago, Wideleft said: People like to believe this while believing that conservatives (Conservatives or Republicans) are the best stewards of budgets. Right now, Trump and Ford are spending their brains out while simultaneously cutting services. At least you get programs and services with the NDP plans, who do also on occasion balance their budgets. (on occasion can be said for every party). But Communism is the way forward, alrighty then. And where does Pallister and Manitoba fall in that example? Right where every Conservative government ends up after years of NDP recklessness, digging us out of the hole and back to balanced budgets. Facts are facts. rebusrankin 1
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, pigseye said: But Communism is the way forward, alrighty then. And where does Pallister and Manitoba fall in that example? Right where every Conservative government ends up after years of NDP recklessness, digging us out of the hole and back to balanced budgets. Facts are facts. Yup. Harper sure did pretty good at digging out the surplus he was gifted... blue_gold_84 1
blue_gold_84 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 Does anyone honestly wonder why nothing changes? This will be another crap election, regardless of the party that "wins"... We, the taxpayer, ultimately lose - each and every damned time. Wideleft and FrostyWinnipeg 1 1
pigseye Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, wanna-b-fanboy said: Yup. Harper sure did pretty good at digging out the surplus he was gifted... You still want to debate the Stimulus Package?
pigseye Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, blue_gold_84 said: Does anyone honestly wonder why nothing changes? This will be another crap election, regardless of the party that "wins"... We, the taxpayer, ultimately lose - each and every damned time. Who lowered the GST 2% for you? Who gave you income tax credits? You want lower taxes, you vote Conservative. The only ones who complain about them are the ones who want everything for free.
Mark H. Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, pigseye said: And where does Pallister and Manitoba fall in that example? Right where every Conservative government ends up after years of NDP recklessness, digging us out of the hole and back to balanced budgets. Facts are facts. They are busy trying to pretend there is still a deficit - when there isn't. They have been corrected twice by the auditor general: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/manitoba-numbers-game-561473592.html And what is the primary reason that they have a 9 million surplus? Increased transfer payments from Ottawa. Wideleft, JCon, Wanna-B-Fanboy and 1 other 4
blue_gold_84 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, pigseye said: Who lowered the GST 2% for you? Who gave you income tax credits? You want lower taxes, you vote Conservative. The only ones who complain about them are the ones who want everything for free. Nice job missing the point. Not the first time, though. Your political bias is almost as embarrassing as your comments in the climate change thread. JCon and Wideleft 2
Wideleft Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 23 hours ago, Brandon said: As a working person who got to where I am from working hard and not being dependant on handouts. It would kill me to watch the NDP bankrupt the country and then tax me to death for it. JCon, AtlanticRiderFan, bb.king and 2 others 3 2
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 54 minutes ago, pigseye said: You still want to debate the Stimulus Package? You want to show people that you're still wrong? pigseye 1
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, pigseye said: Who lowered the GST 2% for you? Who gave you income tax credits? You want lower taxes, you vote Conservative. The only ones who complain about them are the ones who want everything for free. The same party that upped the minimum retirement age by 2 years because we can't afford the 2% GST cut? 1% per year seems to be the going rate- that's awesome. Edited October 21, 2019 by wanna-b-fanboy Wideleft 1
rebusrankin Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 To be fair, a number of countries have raised their minimum retirement age past 65 due to increased life expectancy and rising costs.
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: To be fair, a number of countries have raised their minimum retirement age past 65 due to increased life expectancy and rising costs. Conservative governments by chance? Wideleft 1
rebusrankin Posted October 21, 2019 Report Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Conservative governments by chance? France, Germany, UK, Italy, Spain, US.
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