Canadian Politics

[bigg jay]

2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Never mind that Tim hortons is the least canadian place going. They are owned by a Brazilian multi national corporation are they not? 

Yes but Wayne Gretzky is in the commercials so that apparently gives them a pass. 

[17to85]

God bless Wayne, the man never saw anything he wouldn't endorse.

[pigseye]

I thought he was destined to become an actor until that cameo he did on soap years ago, good thing he stuck to hockey. 

[Fatty Liver]

Make way for the return of the weasel.

[Mark F]

Fondly remembered as the guy who promised to never unite the Conservatives with the Western right wingers, then immediately united the Conservatives  with the western right wingers.

also liked Helicopter rides if I remember correctly...... and fell hard for a hot rich babe.

I'm guessing Harper told Rhona to bow out, Harper will back room rule through Peter, and Cons will lose again with another

Harper holdover. 

 

Edited January 25, 2020 by Mark F

[Zontar]

Largest quarantine in human history happening now. Justin yet to issue travel bans. Put the bong down and get back to work.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

5 hours ago, Zontar said:

Largest quarantine in human history happening now. Justin yet to issue travel bans. Put the bong down and get back to work.

How would a travel ban help? 

Is there any other country that has imposed a travel ban?

[Zontar]

1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

How would a travel ban help? 

Is there any other country that has imposed a travel ban?

1. To stop more infected people coming into this country. To stop the possibility of infecting more people going to that country

2. Leadership is waiting for other countries to do it ?

[blue_gold_84]

8 hours ago, Zontar said:

Largest quarantine in human history happening now. Justin yet to issue travel bans. Put the bong down and get back to work.

I bet you're also butthurt he went and bought some donuts, too.

https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/china

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cornavirus-screening-1.5435523

https://globalnews.ca/news/6446395/wuhan-coronovirus-canada-airports/

You do realize a gov't can't just issue travel bans, right? Speaking of putting down the ******* bong and all... Only in your case, it's filled with meth.

Edited January 27, 2020 by blue_gold_84
links added for the dumbass con-troll

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

9 hours ago, Zontar said:

Largest quarantine in human history happening now. Justin yet to issue travel bans. Put the bong down and get back to work.

So... who are we banning? Canadian citizens? Visitors? People going to or coming from? How would you enforce it? 

Has banning travel been effective in the past? (Hint: it was not). 

[Zontar]

Media licenses. Our new country is gonna be great.

[blue_gold_84]

6 hours ago, Zontar said:

Media licenses. Our new country is gonna be great.

What are you crying about now?

[JCon]

I can't even...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lynn-beyak-metis-anti-racism-training-session-1.5450372

Lynn Beyak claimed she was Métis during her anti-racism training sessions

Indigenous trainers asked Beyak to leave after concluding she had created an 'unsafe' learning environment

 

Ontario Sen. Lynn Beyak is again facing suspension from the Red Chamber for failing to complete her anti-racism training — a project that started off on the wrong foot when she told her instructors she was Métis because her parents had adopted an Indigenous child.

The Senate's ethics committee has released details of Beyak's ill-fated training sessions with the Ontario Federation of Indigenous Friendship Centres (OFIFC) last fall.

 

Beyak was supposed to attend three days of Indigenous "cultural competency training." But trainers feared she would make little progress in understanding the plight of Indigenous peoples because, on her first day of training, she made dubious claims about her own ancestry, according to an October 2019 report prepared by the OFIFC.

Métis peoples are a distinct subsection of the larger Indigenous community. While definitions vary, the federal government generally classifies Métis people as those who can trace their lineage to the Red River settlement and the intermarriages there between European settlers and local Indigenous women that produced a distinct culture, with its own traditions and language.

"Beyak explained that her Métis identity resulted from her family's adoption of an Indigenous child (her adopted sister). The senator's understanding and presentation of her Metis identity were flagged as a concern by the trainers ... and by other participants," said Nicole Meawasige, the training coordinator, in an email to Senate Ethics Officer Pierre Legault.

'Stay away from our nation'

Manitoba Métis Federation President David Chartrand said Beyak's "weird and strange sudden pronouncement" of Métis ancestry is offensive.

"I want to say in the strongest terms possible that even if she were Métis, the Métis Nation would disavow all of the discriminatory statements and actions that have come from this senator," he said. "We deplore the way Senator Beyak has tried to say that it's OK for her to publish racist comments because she claims to be Métis.

"Stay away from our nation. Identity theft is a crime."

Ultimately, Beyak didn't make it past the first lesson because her "inflexibility and conduct made the learning environment unsafe," said the trainers' report to Legault. She was asked to leave the premises by OFIFC, the report said.

But Beyak's lawyer is taking issue with the report. Donald Bayne —  who also represented Sen. Mike Duffy during his criminal trial — said in his own letter to the ethics officer that reports saying she was asked to leave training are "untrue."

"Anyone who knows Sen. Beyak and her polite manner would immediately be suspicious of such an accusation," he wrote.

He described the report describing her training sessions as a "dilatory personal attack." He said the OFIFC was "disorganized" and "unprofessional" in its dealings with the senator.

Last Friday, the Senate ethics committee recommended that Beyak be suspended a second time from the upper house because she failed to take her anti-racism training seriously and offered an insufficient apology after posting anti-Indigenous letters on her Senate website. The Senate will vote on her suspension when it returns this week.

'Grubby and threatening'

Before being asked to leave the training sessions, Beyak told her trainers that there is no racism in northwestern Ontario. Beyak represents Dryden, Ont. in the Senate.

When trainers asked Beyak to evaluate one case of a First Nations man being denied a pre-booked room at a hotel in Dryden, Beyak asked whether the man had been turned away for other reasons — for having "dirty hair" or looking "grubby or threatening."

The man in the story was the trainer's husband. Beyak said she was skeptical of the story because the trainer — whom she described as looking "white privileged ... with lovely auburn hair and flawless skin" — would have been a "reassuring" presence to the hotel desk clerk.

'Overly biased views'

When the trainer said that the hotel staff's behaviour could indicate racism and racial profiling, Beyak said she herself had turned away people because of "piercings and dirty hair." Before her appointment, Beyak was a real estate agent.

According to the trainers, Beyak participated very little in the first day of coursework: "Sen. Beyak was not only explicitly unwilling to engage with the content of the training, but also persistent in her overly biased views."

She showed little interest in the course material because she felt the "training is irrelevant because she will be reinstated anyway," the report said.

Beyak repeatedly told trainers she wasn't interested in the past but was focused rather on discussing current matters, like the proper use of taxation and infrastructure deficit on First Nations.

"History has nothing to do with racism. It's about what your people are doing to your own people," the report quotes her as saying.

"In our assessment, Sen. Beyak is not interested in confronting her ill-informed understandings of the contemporary realities of Indigenous peoples in Canada. The senator is not open to learning about Canadian history, Canadian current policies impacting Indigenous people, nor is she willing to contemplate our shared future, inspired by the spirit of reconciliation," the OFIFC report concluded.

In her letter to Legault, Beyak said the OFIFC staff dismissed many of her arguments because they saw her as benefitting from "white privilege" and were not willing to entertain debate on the role of Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples in Canada.

Beyak told Legault she was "appalled" that the centre did not welcome her back for subsequent training, adding she flew to Toronto at considerable personal expense.

Beyak said she was frustrated with how the trainers described the Indian Act, legislation enacted in the 19th century to segregate First Nations people and control most aspects of life on reserves. The trainers said it was a mechanism to keep First Nations people "confined and controlled." In her letter to Legault, Beyak disagreed.

"I explained that while I accept her understanding of history, mine is different and since we are both well-informed, and neither one of us was there, we would have to agree to disagree."

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

31 minutes ago, JCon said:

I can't even...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lynn-beyak-metis-anti-racism-training-session-1.5450372

Lynn Beyak claimed she was Métis during her anti-racism training sessions

Indigenous trainers asked Beyak to leave after concluding she had created an 'unsafe' learning environment

 

Ontario Sen. Lynn Beyak is again facing suspension from the Red Chamber for failing to complete her anti-racism training — a project that started off on the wrong foot when she told her instructors she was Métis because her parents had adopted an Indigenous child.

The Senate's ethics committee has released details of Beyak's ill-fated training sessions with the Ontario Federation of Indigenous Friendship Centres (OFIFC) last fall.

 

Beyak was supposed to attend three days of Indigenous "cultural competency training." But trainers feared she would make little progress in understanding the plight of Indigenous peoples because, on her first day of training, she made dubious claims about her own ancestry, according to an October 2019 report prepared by the OFIFC.

Métis peoples are a distinct subsection of the larger Indigenous community. While definitions vary, the federal government generally classifies Métis people as those who can trace their lineage to the Red River settlement and the intermarriages there between European settlers and local Indigenous women that produced a distinct culture, with its own traditions and language.

"Beyak explained that her Métis identity resulted from her family's adoption of an Indigenous child (her adopted sister). The senator's understanding and presentation of her Metis identity were flagged as a concern by the trainers ... and by other participants," said Nicole Meawasige, the training coordinator, in an email to Senate Ethics Officer Pierre Legault.

'Stay away from our nation'

Manitoba Métis Federation President David Chartrand said Beyak's "weird and strange sudden pronouncement" of Métis ancestry is offensive.

"I want to say in the strongest terms possible that even if she were Métis, the Métis Nation would disavow all of the discriminatory statements and actions that have come from this senator," he said. "We deplore the way Senator Beyak has tried to say that it's OK for her to publish racist comments because she claims to be Métis.

"Stay away from our nation. Identity theft is a crime."

Ultimately, Beyak didn't make it past the first lesson because her "inflexibility and conduct made the learning environment unsafe," said the trainers' report to Legault. She was asked to leave the premises by OFIFC, the report said.

But Beyak's lawyer is taking issue with the report. Donald Bayne —  who also represented Sen. Mike Duffy during his criminal trial — said in his own letter to the ethics officer that reports saying she was asked to leave training are "untrue."

"Anyone who knows Sen. Beyak and her polite manner would immediately be suspicious of such an accusation," he wrote.

He described the report describing her training sessions as a "dilatory personal attack." He said the OFIFC was "disorganized" and "unprofessional" in its dealings with the senator.

Last Friday, the Senate ethics committee recommended that Beyak be suspended a second time from the upper house because she failed to take her anti-racism training seriously and offered an insufficient apology after posting anti-Indigenous letters on her Senate website. The Senate will vote on her suspension when it returns this week.

'Grubby and threatening'

Before being asked to leave the training sessions, Beyak told her trainers that there is no racism in northwestern Ontario. Beyak represents Dryden, Ont. in the Senate.

When trainers asked Beyak to evaluate one case of a First Nations man being denied a pre-booked room at a hotel in Dryden, Beyak asked whether the man had been turned away for other reasons — for having "dirty hair" or looking "grubby or threatening."

The man in the story was the trainer's husband. Beyak said she was skeptical of the story because the trainer — whom she described as looking "white privileged ... with lovely auburn hair and flawless skin" — would have been a "reassuring" presence to the hotel desk clerk.

'Overly biased views'

When the trainer said that the hotel staff's behaviour could indicate racism and racial profiling, Beyak said she herself had turned away people because of "piercings and dirty hair." Before her appointment, Beyak was a real estate agent.

According to the trainers, Beyak participated very little in the first day of coursework: "Sen. Beyak was not only explicitly unwilling to engage with the content of the training, but also persistent in her overly biased views."

She showed little interest in the course material because she felt the "training is irrelevant because she will be reinstated anyway," the report said.

Beyak repeatedly told trainers she wasn't interested in the past but was focused rather on discussing current matters, like the proper use of taxation and infrastructure deficit on First Nations.

"History has nothing to do with racism. It's about what your people are doing to your own people," the report quotes her as saying.

"In our assessment, Sen. Beyak is not interested in confronting her ill-informed understandings of the contemporary realities of Indigenous peoples in Canada. The senator is not open to learning about Canadian history, Canadian current policies impacting Indigenous people, nor is she willing to contemplate our shared future, inspired by the spirit of reconciliation," the OFIFC report concluded.

In her letter to Legault, Beyak said the OFIFC staff dismissed many of her arguments because they saw her as benefitting from "white privilege" and were not willing to entertain debate on the role of Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples in Canada.

Beyak told Legault she was "appalled" that the centre did not welcome her back for subsequent training, adding she flew to Toronto at considerable personal expense.

Beyak said she was frustrated with how the trainers described the Indian Act, legislation enacted in the 19th century to segregate First Nations people and control most aspects of life on reserves. The trainers said it was a mechanism to keep First Nations people "confined and controlled." In her letter to Legault, Beyak disagreed.

"I explained that while I accept her understanding of history, mine is different and since we are both well-informed, and neither one of us was there, we would have to agree to disagree."

Not even going to Google... I am going to just assume she was a harper appointee... I probably won't be wrong. It's kind of sad...

[TrueBlue4ever]

18 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Not even going to Google... I am going to just assume she was a harper appointee... I probably won't be wrong. It's kind of sad...

[blueingreenland]

On 2020-02-03 at 4:50 PM, TrueBlue4ever said:

Hmmm. Sounds a little bit similar to a certain woman in the U.S. running for leadership of the Democratic party (see: Pocahontas).  Only in the case of Elizabeth Warren, I doubt her party will discipline her.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

On 2020-01-25 at 1:48 PM, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Make way for the return of the weasel.

[JCon]

10 hours ago, blueingreenland said:

Hmmm. Sounds a little bit similar to a certain woman in the U.S. running for leadership of the Democratic party (see: Pocahontas).  Only in the case of Elizabeth Warren, I doubt her party will discipline her.

Not even close to being similar. 

[Wideleft]

Another bright light from Alberta speaks and predictably, it's offensive:

Conservative MP forced to apologize after asking NDP MP if she ever ‘considered’ sex work

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/conservative-mp-forced-to-apologize-after-asking-ndp-mp-if-she-ever-e2-80-98considered-e2-80-99-sex-work/ar-BBZEaia

[17to85]

10 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Another bright light from Alberta speaks and predictably, it's offensive:

Conservative MP forced to apologize after asking NDP MP if she ever ‘considered’ sex work

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/conservative-mp-forced-to-apologize-after-asking-ndp-mp-if-she-ever-e2-80-98considered-e2-80-99-sex-work/ar-BBZEaia

That area of the province isn't the best and brightest that's for sure.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

14 hours ago, blueingreenland said:

Hmmm. Sounds a little bit similar to a certain woman in the U.S. running for leadership of the Democratic party (see: Pocahontas).  Only in the case of Elizabeth Warren, I doubt her party will discipline her.

Wow, not even close at all- except for both stories use "words". The fact that you would ape trump's pet word for Warren tells me enough.

[Zontar]

3 hours ago, 17to85 said:

That area of the province isn't the best and brightest that's for sure.

Yikes, "sex work" ? imagine if he said "hooking" ?

[rebusrankin]

On 2020-02-03 at 1:59 PM, blue_gold_84 said:

What are you crying about now?

One of the 93 proposals contained in the current telecommunications review undertaken by the Canadian government was that the CRTC would identify news sites that are "accurate, trusted, and reliable" to enhance the "diversity of voices." They also want have licenses for all forms of media (Newspapers, online news sites) like those that currently exist for radio and TV. Basically that all media should be under government control like they did in the U.S.S.R or similar to North Korea or China.

[blue_gold_84]

12 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

One of the 93 proposals contained in the current telecommunications review undertaken by the Canadian government was that the CRTC would identify news sites that are "accurate, trusted, and reliable" to enhance the "diversity of voices." They also want have licenses for all forms of media (Newspapers, online news sites) like those that currently exist for radio and TV. Basically that all media should be under government control like they did in the U.S.S.R or similar to North Korea or China.

Seems like quite the reach to me. And a pretty absurd one at that. Did you actually bother to look into the report? Where in those proposals does it call for state-controlled media akin to the USSR, North Korea, or China? Or is this just more whiny hyperbole like we've become accustomed to seeing from Rempel, Scheer, and their ilk?

Here's the news release: https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-science-economic-development/news/2020/01/broadcasting--telecommunications-panel-releases-canadas-communications-future-time-to-act.html

Quote

“The legislation we were asked to review is foundational to our ability as a country to ensure that, in a world of endless choices and voices, there is space for Canadian culture, stories and perspectives including the ability to showcase our diversity,” said BTLR Panelist Monique Simard. “Our recommendations enshrine the right to a free and open Internet while creating an appropriate framework for the support and promotion of Canadian content.”

Here's the actual report: https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/110.nsf/eng/00012.html

Nothing in there about state-controlled media.

But sure, the 1984 comments and comparisons to Fidel Castro are totally justified. Canada's worldwide freedom of the press ranking must be just bull turds, then. (https://rsf.org/en/ranking/2019)

[rebusrankin]

2 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Seems like quite the reach to me. And a pretty absurd one at that. Did you actually bother to look into the report? Where in those proposals does it call for state-controlled media akin to the USSR, North Korea, or China? Or is this just more whiny hyperbole like we've become accustomed to seeing from Rempel, Scheer, and their ilk?

Here's the news release: https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-science-economic-development/news/2020/01/broadcasting--telecommunications-panel-releases-canadas-communications-future-time-to-act.html

Here's the actual report: https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/110.nsf/eng/00012.html

Nothing in there about state-controlled media.

But sure, the 1984 comments and comparisons to Fidel Castro are totally justified. Canada's worldwide freedom of the press ranking must be just bull turds, then. (https://rsf.org/en/ranking/2019)

Thanks for assuming that I had not read the report, I have. Did you bother to read it or any of the commentary on it or did you just decide to take cheap shots about hyperbole? Your original post made it seem like you hadn't and that you had no idea about the Heritage Ministers comments about the report, the ones he got flack for.

Edited February 6, 2020 by rebusrankin