Canadian Politics

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

"These are not episodes in my life I'm proud of," Kinew said. "I struggled with alcohol, and that caused me to behave in ways that weren't healthy for me, or those around me. When the alcohol stopped, so did the fights. Violence, racism, and sexism are unacceptable. I've apologized unequivocally, and I do so again: to anyone I harmed, I am sorry”

"Because of my past, I understand the challenges of young people in our society who are struggling with the same things I was — alcohol, addictions, anger. I know that they can do better, because I learned how to do better," Kinew said.

Kinew attended sweat lodges "to purify himself" and participated in a sun dance event, during which he fasted for four days and pulled buffalo skulls by piercings cut into his body.

"Suffice it to say, it shows a significant degree of commitment by the individual who attends," Miller said.

Kinew also began attending regular Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. 

"While abstaining from alcohol, he has had no involvement in the justice system," Miller said. "He realizes this is a lifelong path he has to follow."

I don’t know why I’m even biting on this, but @SpeedFlex27 The comparison to Bobby Hull.. Come on, I know you’re better than that. 

First of all, you’re comparing a guy who’s running for Premier to a wife beating, Hitler idolizing (and dead) hockey player. 

Second, there’s zero indication Bobby Hull showed any kind of remorse or accountability for his behaviour. 

Third, regardless of what party is in charge, healthcare is a mess everywhere in this country right now.  It just so happens that the Manitoba PC party have deliberately and methodically used policy to make Manitoba health care worse. 

And so have the NDP in BC. They've done the same thing. Isn't it ironic that in evil Alberta, where the white supremacists, racists & Nazis play according to most here that I was on a year to 18 month long list to get my knee replacement done. I was expecting it to happen anywhere from this this coming November to sometime in the Spring of 2024. I first had a meeting with my surgeon in November last year. Then in February, I get a phone call saying the surgeon triaged my knee & put me up near the top because of the severity of the condition of the arthritis. I moved past thousands of others & had my surgery in April. Just five months after my first meeting. Eight to 12 months early. After the surgery, my surgeon spoke with me & said that after thirty years of doing knees, mine was the worst he ever saw. Yep, evil Alberta. Where no one cares about the patient. 

As far as beating up women? No one should get a pass & say they learned & now they're better. Kinew has abrigated his rights to be any kind of political leader. He's unfit to be Premier. Whether he's sorry or not. I know that the left wing accolytes here would never give anyone a second chance if they were a pro athlete or right wing politician. I've seen their posts from others who did this & there was never any kind of forgiveness from them. And now you say that Kinew deserves a second chance really only because of his politics. i can't imagine what would be said if this was Pierre Polievre. He'd be cut to shreds.

The Bobby Hull reference was just to make a point. To poke the bear, so to speak. 

Edited June 4, 2023 by SpeedFlex27

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

And so have the NDP in BC. They've done the same thing. Isn't it ironic that in evil Alberta, where the white supremacists, racists & Nazis play according to most here that I was on a year to 18 month long list to get my knee replacement done. I was expecting it to happen anywhere from this this coming November to sometime in the Spring of 2024. I first had a meeting with my surgeon in November last year. Then in February, I get a phone call saying the surgeon triaged my knee & put me up near the top because of the severity of the condition of the arthritis. I moved past thousands of others & had my surgery in April. Just five months after my first meeting. Eight to 12 months early. After the surgery, my surgeon spoke with me & said that after thirty years of doing knees, mine was the worst he ever saw. Yep, evil Alberta. Where no one cares about the patient. 

As far as beating up women? No one should get a pass & say they learned & now they're better. Kinew has abrigated his rights to be any kind of political leader. He's unfit to be Premier. Whether he's sorry or not. I know that the left wing accolytes here would never give anyone a second chance if they were a pro athlete or right wing politician. I've seen their posts from others who did this & there was never any kind of forgiveness from them. And now you say that Kinew deserves a second chance really only because of his politics. i can't imagine what would be said if this was Pierre Polievre. He'd be cut to shreds.

The Bobby Hull reference was just to make a point. To poke the bear, so to speak. 

The comparison was just so out of left field to me. I’m certainly not going to get into a whole other thing on what Kinew did. I’ll say that it sucks that he was abusive towards a woman. 

I’ve been more or less a lifelong NDP voter. To be honest, I’d be inclined to for the MB Liberals right now first, if they even had a smidgen of standing. 

As it is, I’m not a millionaire or an evangelical so I have absolutely no reason to support the Conservative party in any form. I’ll be voting NDP again in October, despite the fact that I think they could choose a better leader. 

[GCn20]

On 6/1/2023 at 11:01 AM, Wideleft said:

The National Post is a brain-eating disease.

For reporting the results of a Leger poll, one of the most credible polling firms in Canada?

On 6/2/2023 at 11:36 AM, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/david-johnston-ndp-wherry-analysis-1.6862492

Wherry makes some valid points.

Notably:

Also:

As intended, IMO. This is precisely how bad actors mean to operate.

72% of the country disagrees with you.

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

The comparison was just so out of left field to me. I’m certainly not going to get into a whole other thing on what Kinew did. I’ll say that it sucks that he was abusive towards a woman. 

I’ve been more or less a lifelong NDP voter. To be honest, I’d be inclined to for the MB Liberals right now first, if they even had a smidgen of standing. 

As it is, I’m not a millionaire or an evangelical so I have absolutely no reason to support the Conservative party in any form. I’ll be voting NDP again in October, despite the fact that I think they could choose a better leader. 

Poke the bear...

Edited June 4, 2023 by SpeedFlex27

[GCn20]

On 6/1/2023 at 10:18 PM, Wideleft said:

Hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!

The guy who is 100% behind a party using lies and conspiracy theories to oust his hate/crush accuses other people of voting blindly.

Tell me how a party that has been willfully lying and misleading you since the last election is suddenly going to be honest to you IF they form government.  How can people be so naive?

Gawd no.

There certainly is a bunch of liars in Ottawa...soon they will no longer govern

 

[rebusrankin]

So I was asked why anybody would vote NDP. I give me reasons and I get back comments comparing Kinew to Hull and socialism bad. I could go on why I don't want to support this government but I don't see the point.

[JohnnyAbonny]

10 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Poke the bear...

How can you give PP a pass when no one forgave Brian Mulroney? 
Doesn’t make any sense ? No worries, I’m just poking the bear or whatever. 
The thoughtful points you have when you argue like this get totally lost. 

[HardCoreBlue]

12 hours ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

The comparison was just so out of left field to me. I’m certainly not going to get into a whole other thing on what Kinew did. I’ll say that it sucks that he was abusive towards a woman. 

I’ve been more or less a lifelong NDP voter. To be honest, I’d be inclined to for the MB Liberals right now first, if they even had a smidgen of standing. 

As it is, I’m not a millionaire or an evangelical so I have absolutely no reason to support the Conservative party in any form. I’ll be voting NDP again in October, despite the fact that I think they could choose a better leader. 

First sentence third paragraph is bang on. To the point and very informed by facts. Tax cuts benefits who the most sorry?

[SpeedFlex27]

2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

So I was asked why anybody would vote NDP. I give me reasons and I get back comments comparing Kinew to Hull and socialism bad. I could go on why I don't want to support this government but I don't see the point.

I answered your statement the way the leftist accolytes would treat mine. It was probably unfair & for that I apologize. You're looking for good government & you feel you'll get it from the NDP. Unfortunately, Kinew should never have been elected NDP Leader. Anyone who says they are conservatives here are branded as white, colonial racist Nazis. Of course, the people making those claims don't know me, what I'm about or even what I look like. But let's paint everyone with the same brush. So, welcome to the party. Now you know how I feel. 

[17to85]

27 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

leftist accolytes

My eyes just rolled so hard I nearly passed out

[SpeedFlex27]

3 hours ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

How can you give PP a pass when no one forgave Brian Mulroney? 
Doesn’t make any sense ? No worries, I’m just poking the bear or whatever. 
The thoughtful points you have when you argue like this get totally lost. 

I used Hull because suddenly Kinew said he's sorry for what he did. For being an alcoholic & beating up women. So, suddenly that's okay? He's now fit to be leader & what happened in the past can now be forgotten?? According to the Accolytes here, yes.  Bullshit!

The Accolytes hate Bobby Hull because he did the same thing. He beat up his wives as well & said some stupid things about Hitler. He also had a drinking problem like Kinew. Of course, the Accolytes don't care that drunks constantly run their mouths saying dumb things they don't always mean. The ramblings of a now dead broken down old man will never be forgiven by these same Accolytes. When Hull died he was wheelchair bound & could no longer speak. Just like my alcoholic father was when he died. Ever consider that the things Hull said were said by someone whose faculties weren't all there. But Kinew is forgiven by the Accolytes for his actions simply because he's the leader of a political party they like. Oh yeah, he never mentioned Hitler so that makes him alright. 

Stan Bowman who was GM of the Blackhawks covered up the sexual assault of Kyle Beach & another teammate that occurred in 2010 now wants back into the NHL. He has requested a meeting with Gary Bettman to pave the way for that to happen. I'm sure he's sorry as well for what happened. So, will the Accolytes here forgive him & give him a second chance like they 're giving Kinew??? What about a bank robber or a thief?? Are they fit to be leader of a political party? What about a drunk who is inebriated driving his/her vehicle through a red light strriking another killing the occupants?? They're sorry. Where's the line drawn once you start forgiving? Or pick & choose who you forgive?  

How can a legislator who ignored & broke the laws of the land be fit for office by passing new laws that he'll expect people to follow? 

Edited June 4, 2023 by SpeedFlex27

[JohnnyAbonny]

What do Faarooq and Bradshaw have to do with any of this? 
I’m not playing the nickname game. If you can’t see what you’re doing here, you don’t want to. 
 

[SpeedFlex27]

10 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

What do Faarooq and Bradshaw have to do with any of this? 
I’m not playing the nickname game. If you can’t see what you’re doing here, you don’t want to. 
 

I've been called a racist & hater here by more than one of the Accolytes who live on this thread. Simply because I'm conservative. It's to the point I don't give a **** anymore what I call them because most are cowardly keyboard warriors who just swarm incapable of having any kind of meaningful political discussions without name calling & intimidation. When you see Accolytes just substitute the word for assholes.

Anyway, you'll all be glad to know that I'm done with this stinking thread. Spit. I said what I wanted to say. See ya, Accolytes. 

Edited June 4, 2023 by SpeedFlex27

[JohnnyAbonny]

11 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I've been called a racist & hater here by more than one of the Accolytes who live on this thread. Simply because I'm conservative. It's to the point I don't give a **** anymore what I call them because most are cowardly keyboard warriors who just swarm incapable of having any kind of meaningful political discussions without name calling & intimidation. When you see Accolytes just substitute the word for assholes.

I don’t think you’re any of those things. I certainly am not a conservative, so I’d probably never agree with you politically. 

I’ve enjoyed talking football and reading your stories about the 70’s Bombers quite a lot over the years. 

What bugs me about this conversation, and any political one the last decade or so is the slipperiness of the topic at hand. 

Everyone I support is fine because someone else did something worse, and we whatabout our way through, skirting every issue.

It’s exhausting, and the actual bad guys/nazis (not you personally) want us all exhausted, scared and angry. 

[rebusrankin]

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I answered your statement the way the leftist accolytes would treat mine. It was probably unfair & for that I apologize. You're looking for good government & you feel you'll get it from the NDP. Unfortunately, Kinew should never have been elected NDP Leader. Anyone who says they are conservatives here are branded as white, colonial racist Nazis. Of course, the people making those claims don't know me, what I'm about or even what I look like. But let's paint everyone with the same brush. So, welcome to the party. Now you know how I feel. 

Fair enough.

For the record, I wish the NDP had a different leader.

[SpeedFlex27]

11 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I don’t think you’re any of those things. I certainly am not a conservative, so I’d probably never agree with you politically. 

I’ve enjoyed talking football and reading your stories about the 70’s Bombers quite a lot over the years. 

What bugs me about this conversation, and any political one the last decade or so is the slipperiness of the topic at hand. 

Everyone I support is fine because someone else did something worse, and we whatabout our way through, skirting every issue.

It’s exhausting, and the actual bad guys/nazis (not you personally) want us all exhausted, scared and angry. 

For me, I consider myself a good person. I've volunteered in the community for a lot of years. I try to do good & want what most of us want which are honest politicians & good government. So, when I'm ridiculed & personally called insulting names because of who I support, it hurts. I try to stay above it all but when someone here last week who has no idea who I am or what I'm about called me a hater because I'll always find something to hate, I just said, allright. I can be that way as well. I started being insulting as well. Respect goes both ways. Respect me & I'll respect you. Anyway, appreciate what you just said. But it's pointless being on this thread anymore. I'm going to stick to football from here on in. 

[Rod Black]

4 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

For me, I consider myself a good person. I've volunteered in the community for a lot of years. I try to do good & want what most of us want which are honest politicians & good government. So, when I'm ridiculed & personally called insulting names because of who I support, it hurts. I try to stay above it all but when someone here last week who has no idea who I am or what I'm about called me a hater because I'll always find something to hate, I just said, allright. I can be that way as well. I started being insulting as well. Respect goes both ways. Respect me & I'll respect you. Anyway, appreciate what you just said. But it's pointless being on this thread anymore. I'm going to stick to football from here on in. 

Of course you will make up your own mind about posting on the politics thread. I found it refreshing to see your posts that had a conservative view. 

[17to85]

Old time conservative view perhaps. Modern conservative views are hate mongering intolerance and total subservience to huge corporations. 

 

Anyone willingly supporting that deserves to be called out.

[Mark H.]

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Old time conservative view perhaps. Modern conservative views are hate mongering intolerance and total subservience to huge corporations. 

 

Anyone willingly supporting that deserves to be called out.

Not quite accurate. We cannot have the same government perpetually in power - which would be logical outcome of your statement.

[17to85]

8 hours ago, Mark H. said:

Not quite accurate. We cannot have the same government perpetually in power - which would be logical outcome of your statement.

There are other options. Look the conservative movement worldwide has been taken over by the crazies. People keep voting for it they're not likely to ever change.

[JohnnyAbonny]

30 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

There are other options. Look the conservative movement worldwide has been taken over by the crazies. People keep voting for it they're not likely to ever change.

That’s just it. Anyone who isn’t extreme has been pushed out already. 
Look at O’Toole. He was as old-school con as you can get these days, and they railroaded him out because he voted for a conversion therapy ban. 

[Wideleft]

19 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

For me, I consider myself a good person. I've volunteered in the community for a lot of years. I try to do good & want what most of us want which are honest politicians & good government. So, when I'm ridiculed & personally called insulting names because of who I support, it hurts. I try to stay above it all but when someone here last week who has no idea who I am or what I'm about called me a hater because I'll always find something to hate, I just said, allright. I can be that way as well. I started being insulting as well. Respect goes both ways. Respect me & I'll respect you. Anyway, appreciate what you just said. But it's pointless being on this thread anymore. I'm going to stick to football from here on in. 

"Anyway, you'll all be glad to know that I'm done with this stinking thread. Spit. I said what I wanted to say. See ya," - Speedflex27

Edited June 5, 2023 by Wideleft

[Bigblue204]

On 2023-06-04 at 1:06 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

I've been called a racist & hater here by more than one of the Accolytes who live on this thread. Simply because I'm conservative. It's to the point I don't give a **** anymore what I call them because most are cowardly keyboard warriors who just swarm incapable of having any kind of meaningful political discussions without name calling & intimidation. When you see Accolytes just substitute the word for assholes.

Anyway, you'll all be glad to know that I'm done with this stinking thread. Spit. I said what I wanted to say. See ya, Accolytes. 

I'm gonna need to see some proof. Cause you keep saying this, but I haven't seen it. Specifically the racist. Cause we've all seen you be called a grump/hater.

Edited June 6, 2023 by Bigblue204

[Bigblue204]

On 2023-06-02 at 4:47 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

What a joke. Harper was a decade ago. Get over it. Your hatred for anything conservative & Pollievre is nothing but political junk. Since you're talking about Trudeau, Harper never had the scandals our current criminal PM has ever had.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/news/federal-election/2015/08/14/a-conservative-collection-of-harper-government-scandals.html

People tend to forget. "The Harper government " which is what Stephen demanded it be called, instead of the Canadian government.....was no choir group. He had his share of bs.

https://moiz.ca/harper/

And one more for good measure

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/10/Harper-Abuses-of-Power-Final/

Edited June 6, 2023 by Bigblue204

[Fatty Liver]

I knew it, behind closed doors those big new churches that have cropped up everywhere over the last 25 years are up to no good! I honestly don't care what they do behind closed door, but when they try to impose their will and backward ass thinking on outer society, they're stepping one foot over the line.  Groups like this used to be content to be left alone, asking only for the freedom to practice their "we do voodoo" in private, now they can't help but try to remake society to fit their own demented image!!!  

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/fundamentalist-christian-movement-1.6793677

Trinity Bible is one of the most prominent churches in a fundamentalist Christian movement that has gained momentum in Canada, initially by challenging pandemic public health restrictions.

This movement is now increasingly involved in electoral politics, advocating for conservative social and political policies based on literal interpretations of the Bible.

Liberty Coalition Canada, a conservative Christian advocacy group, is trying to raise $1.3 million to recruit hundreds of Christian politicians and campaign staff to run at all levels of government.

In a document marked "please keep classified" that was obtained by CBC News, the group says its ultimate goal is "the most powerful political disruption in Canadian history."

Working alongside Liberty Coalition Canada are dozens of churches across the country, a number of small media outlets and at least one well-funded think-tank.

While theological and political differences exist among them, many supporters of this movement share a vocal opposition to LGBTQ rights and other social justice causes.