kelownabomberfan Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 1 minute ago, rebusrankin said: At the risk of being offensive, the above statement shows that you are either extremely shallow or extremely ignorant. A sitting Prime Minister, his Minister of Finance, the PMO and the top civil servant in the country spent four months putting pressure on the Justice Minister to essentially fix a case for a company that has donated millions to the PM's political party, to gain a political advantage is a huge event. This is massive news. I just watched the three and half hours of testimony and Q&A online. Bomb after bomb was going off. Heads exploding everywhere! Do I think Trudeau resigns over this? I don't think so. He'll hang in there and bank on Quebec and his brain-washed followers just not giving enough of a crap that the Liberals are completely corrupt. rebusrankin 1
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, rebusrankin said: How do these guys possibly stay on? This is stuff makes the sponsorship scandal look good. Canuck flag still on CFL helmets. What scandal?
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: At the risk of being offensive, the above statement shows that you are either extremely shallow or extremely ignorant. A sitting Prime Minister, his Minister of Finance, the PMO and the top civil servant in the country spent four months putting pressure on the Justice Minister to essentially fix a case for a company that has donated millions to the PM's political party, to gain a political advantage is a huge event. Or- I just don't buy into the Hyperbole and respond in kind. Also- I think I am pretty numb when it comes to political scandals- I have been following the USA politics since the primaries in '15- you need to cut me some slack here. 😀 This may be big- time will tell. Did JT do anything wrong here, if so- what specifically? I am honestly a bit ignorant here in regards to each parties respective roles. ANywyas- no offense taken, my previous post was cheeky.
kelownabomberfan Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 On 2019-02-18 at 3:17 PM, rebusrankin said: Rebus spelled it all out for you in his post.
Rich Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 40 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Or- I just don't buy into the Hyperbole and respond in kind. Also- I think I am pretty numb when it comes to political scandals- I have been following the USA politics since the primaries in '15- you need to cut me some slack here. 😀 This may be big- time will tell. Did JT do anything wrong here, if so- what specifically? I am honestly a bit ignorant here in regards to each parties respective roles. ANywyas- no offense taken, my previous post was cheeky. Imagine if a president of a Country went to their Attorney General while an ongoing investigation into significant federal corruption charges of a private company involved with a Lybian dictator where they, among other things, expensed money paid for prostitutes for said dictator and that company also happened to be a major party contributor and the president tried to coax said attorney general into looking the other way and dropping the charges. Now instead of president, replace it with Prime Minister. kelownabomberfan, SpeedFlex27 and rebusrankin 3
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rich said: Imagine if a president of a Country went to their Attorney General while an ongoing investigation into significant federal corruption charges of a private company involved with a Lybian dictator where they, among other things, expensed money paid for prostitutes for said dictator and that company also happened to be a major party contributor and the president tried to coax said attorney general into looking the other way and dropping the charges. Now instead of president, replace it with Prime Minister. Trudeau is Trump
kelownabomberfan Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) One chilling moment in JWR's testimony was when Telford told her not to worry about public perception as they could get op-eds from friendly media to support her in the press. So we essentially have a dictator with no free press. Just scary. Edited February 28, 2019 by kelownabomberfan
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rich said: Lybian dictator where they, among other things, expensed money paid for prostitutes for said dictator and that company also happened to be a major party contributor and the president tried to coax said attorney general into looking the other way and dropping the charges. Now instead of president, replace it with Prime Minister. Holy shitballs. Lybian dictator and prostitutes.... JT? I need some links.
kelownabomberfan Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/politics/snc-lavalin-paid-for-gadhafi-sons-debauchery-while-he-was-in-canada-report/amp
17to85 Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, kelownabomberfan said: Do I think Trudeau resigns over this? I don't think so. He's too stupid and too arrogant to think he did anything wrong. That Liberal party is still rotten to the core and their brief time out didn't do anything to make them change their ways. kelownabomberfan, blueingreenland and rebusrankin 3
pigseye Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 I'm proud of JWR, she did the right thing and restored my faith in Canadian politics. As for the PMO, just another criminal from the Quebec cesspool, that province needs an enema. kelownabomberfan, rebusrankin and Eternal optimist 2 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 1 hour ago, kelownabomberfan said: One chilling moment in JWR's testimony was when Telford told her not to worry about public perception as they could get op-eds from friendly media to support her in the press. So we essentially have a dictator with no free press. Just scary. I picked up on that as well. Trudeau has his friends in the media which is why I'm concerned that by the time the federal election happens the Liberal media in this country will bury it. kelownabomberfan 1
Fatty Liver Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said: One chilling moment in JWR's testimony was when Telford told her not to worry about public perception as they could get op-eds from friendly media to support her in the press. So we essentially have a dictator with no free press. Just scary. Now what if a huge ongoing scandal involving a dozen members of the P.M.O. including a direct bribe from his chief of staff was going down and the P.M. said he knew absolutely nothing about any of it, would you believe him and still cast your vote for him? What if that same P.M. just issued statements and never held press-conferences, would you consider him a dictator as well? Edited February 28, 2019 by Throw Long Bannatyne The Unknown Poster 1
Brandon Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 I cannot wait for the commercials during the next election... this is going to be great!
Mark H. Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 16 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: Holy shitballs. Lybian dictator and prostitutes.... JT? I need some links. No - you need to inform yourself before commenting. kelownabomberfan 1
Mark H. Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 The more things change... https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/pacific-scandal
sweep the leg Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 Although the analogy works, I'm not sure this was the best idea from the Toronto Star, considering his family history. blue_gold_84 1
JCon Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 From a political observer point-of-view, the fallout and reaction is fascinating. If JT drags this out, what will happen to the party? We're already seeing a split among cabinet members, although no one going after one-another yet. Oh, to be a fly on the wall...
sweep the leg Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 22 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said: This is one of those "where we you when" days. Maybe for yourself, but I think that's a pretty big oversell for the average Canadian. I don't say that to downplay what's happened, bc it's obviously bad, but imo this isn't the kind of juicy story that somebody who normally doesn't care about politics is going to spend much time talking about. I was in the office today and brought it up, and basically all I got back was, "yep, typical politician". And I work in a Federal government office... Maybe I think too little of people, but I honestly believe Trudeau having an affair would generate way more discussion among most Canadians. blue_gold_84 1
kelownabomberfan Posted February 28, 2019 Report Posted February 28, 2019 The moral catastrophe of Justin Trudeau Paul Wells: What Jody Wilson-Raybould described today is a sickeningly smug protection racket and it should make us all question what we’re willing to tolerate The dangerous files are never the obscure ones. Scandals don’t happen in the weird little corners of government, in amateur sport or in crop science. They happen on the issues a prime minister cares most about, because everyone gets the message that the rules matter less than the result. It’s a constant in politics. In 2016 I took one look at Bill Morneau’s first budget and wrote this: “The sponsorship scandal of the late Chrétien years was possible because it was obvious to every scoundrel with Liberal friends that spending on national unity would not receive close scrutiny from a government that was desperate to be seen doing something on the file. A government that considers the scale of its spending to be proof of its virtue is an easy mark for hucksters and worse.” It wasn’t a perfect prediction. I kind of expected the hucksters and worse to be outside government. Unless the Trudeau Liberals can produce persuasive evidence that Jody Wilson-Raybould is an utter fabulist (and frankly, I now expect several to try), her testimony before the Commons Justice Committee establishes pretty clearly that the hucksters and worse were running the show. Led by the grinning legatee who taints the Prime Ministers’ office. There will now be a period of stark partisanship. We’re in an election year. Loyal Liberals will tell themselves, and then everyone else, that the price of looking clearly at Justin Trudeau’s bully club (so many men; wonder how Katie Telford felt about that while she was signing off on every element of it) is ceding the field to Andrew Scheer. Who, they will tell themselves and then the country, is an actual Nazi. I mean, after all, that’s pretty close to what they told one another, and then Jody Wilson-Raybould, last fall, isn’t it? There was an election in Quebec in the first week of October. And Ben Chin, a former journalist who did whatever Christy Clark needed done in B.C. before moving east to do whatever Bill Morneau and the PMO needed doing, used that thin reed of an excuse to try to sway Wilson-Raybould’s chief of staff, Jessica Prince. “If they don’t get a [deferred prosecution agreement], they will leave Montreal, and it’s the Quebec election right now, so we can’t have that happen,” Wilson-Raybould told the committee, paraphrasing Chin’s conversation with Prince. I’ve never met a Liberal yet who doesn’t reliably confuse his electoral skin with the national interest. So much of what Trudeau and his minions have done in the last year stems from that instinct. Take the ludicrous half-billion-dollar bailout for people in my line of work, never explained, sprung out of nowhere in Morneau’s fall economic update—or as I now like to think of it, between Trudeau advisor Mathieu Bouchard’s meeting (yet another one) with Prince and Michael Wernick’s chat with Wilson-Raybould. You can get a lot of op-eds written with that kind of dough. Take the cool billion the Canada Infrastructure Bank coughed up to pay for a politically popular and impeccably well-connected transit project around Montreal. That money appeared, from a brand-new bank that has not funded a single other project and did not then yet have a CEO [Update, Thursday: Wrong! It had had a CEO since last May – pw], on the day before Philippe Couillard launched the Quebec election campaign. It is now impossible to believe on faith that the Canada Infrastructure Bank is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of Ben Chin, Mathieu Bouchard, Katie Telford and Justin Trudeau. But anyway, back to partisanship. Liberals and their many friends across the land will insist that all this behaviour must have no real-world repercussions because the other side cannot be permitted to gain the upper hand. And similarly, a lot of battle-hardened opponents of the Liberals will call for the jails to be opened up to welcome fresh Liberal meat. Fortunately, there is indeed an election coming up, and I’m content to let voters decide the partisan affiliation of the next government. I offer them no counsel. But we get to draw our own conclusions as citizens. What the former attorney general described tonight is a sickeningly smug protection racket whose participants must have been astonished when she refused to play along. If a company can rewrite the Criminal Code to get out of a trial whose start date was set before the legislation was drafted, all because a doomed Quebec government has its appointment with the voter, then which excesses are not permitted, under the same justification? If a Clerk of the Privy Council can claim with a straight face that ten calls and meetings with the attorney general, during which massive job loss, an angry PM and a lost election are threatened, don’t constitute interference, then what on earth would interference look like? Tonight I talked with two former public servants whose records rival Michael Wernick’s. Both were flat astonished that he seems not to have pushed back against this deeply disturbing, and plainly widespread, behaviour. There’ll be time to contemplate mechanisms in the days ahead. I don’t think the ethics commissioner has a broad enough mandate to investigate matters like that Canada Infrastructure Bank investment and other tendrils of this affair. But in the end, the moral collapse of Justin Trudeau’s government teaches each of us a lesson, if we will only listen: There had damned well better be a limit to what we’re willing to do or say, whatever the cause we claim to serve. The rules need to be rules—not for the people we despise, but for ourselves. For myself. For you. Or else we have no souls. https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/the-moral-catastrophe-of-justin-trudeau/ The op-ed comment is what still makes me cringe. Buying journalists with government money. Just yuck.
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 1, 2019 Report Posted March 1, 2019 https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/schuler-issues-mea-culpa-on-untendered-contracts-506520372.html Being paywall in a nutshell the gov't awards 2 contracts worth 11+ million without tendering them.
JCon Posted March 1, 2019 Report Posted March 1, 2019 30 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/schuler-issues-mea-culpa-on-untendered-contracts-506520372.html Being paywall in a nutshell the gov't awards 2 contracts worth 11+ million without tendering them. Tigerdam 2.0 and 2.1. Saw it first hand when Schuler went after previous govt about untendered contracts. Odd thing is, you can't enter into an untendered contract at that level without Treasury Board or by ignoring the rules. It's a political decision at that level.
blue_gold_84 Posted March 1, 2019 Report Posted March 1, 2019 18 hours ago, sweep the leg said: Although the analogy works, I'm not sure this was the best idea from the Toronto Star, considering his family history. Oh, I'd put money on this being intentional. Poor taste for sure. But that's how it is these days.
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