First sexual assault by Syrian refugee in Canada

[kelownabomberfan]

8 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Interesting from that article:

When we have the executive director of the Islamic Family and Social Services Association advocating for suppressing facts in reporting, that's a serious problem.

if you look at what the Liberals are doing now in terms of bringing in legislation to fight "Islamaphobia", this kind of suppression will be common-place.  Real Orwellian stuff.

[bigg jay]

12 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

all right I stand corrected!  Your googling skills are better than mine as I couldn't find this story.  Thank you.

They actually have more than just one article on the incident if you you go to the Edmonton section of their website.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/syrian-refugee-west-edmonton-mall-sexual-assault-reaction-racism-1.3973831

[Atomic]

40 minutes ago, Brandon Blue&Gold said:

What's going on in Europe right now?  Can you link to some stories?  Here's a few I found...

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/refugees-crime-rumors/480171/

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V

https://www.thelocal.de/20160610/why-refugee-crime-numbers-have-plummeted

I tried to stick with neutral sites (no Breitbart or Huffington Post).  Seems there are issues but not surprising considering the amount of refugees they have in Europe.  And not overly terrible perhaps even overblown going by a few of the stories I read.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/12/opinion/the-islamic-state-of-molenbeek.html?_r=0

[JCon]

1 minute ago, bigg jay said:

They actually have more than just one article on the incident if you you go to the Edmonton section of their website.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/syrian-refugee-west-edmonton-mall-sexual-assault-reaction-racism-1.3973831

That doesn't fit the narrative, so, no, CBC didn't have anything up. Rah, rah, rant, rant, promote hate and intolerance.

[kelownabomberfan]

18 minutes ago, JCon said:

That doesn't fit the narrative, so, no, CBC didn't have anything up. Rah, rah, rant, rant, promote hate and intolerance.

uh, I apologized.  I'm not perfect.  I couldn't find the story.  And why is reporting on a molestation "promoting hate and intolerance"?  I'm just curious.  Are you saying that this shouldn't have been reported at all in the name of promoting love and tolerance?

[The Unknown Poster]

46 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Interesting from that article:

When we have the executive director of the Islamic Family and Social Services Association advocating for suppressing facts in reporting, that's a serious problem.

I dont know.  Some people would say they are hiding that it was a refugee or a Muslim or whatever.  But from their perspective, they are going to be sensitive to the exact reaction evident in this thread - that one criminal among the refugees paints them all with the same brush.  Had he been Irish, would the media have reported that?  English?  Jewish?  Christian?

[The Unknown Poster]

11 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

uh, I apologized.  I'm not perfect.  I couldn't find the story.  And why is reporting on a molestation "promoting hate and intolerance"?  I'm just curious.  Are you saying that this shouldn't have been reported at all in the name of promoting love and tolerance?

Because, unless Im missing something, the ethnicity or religion of the accused isnt relevant to the accusation.  And certainly, the reaction from many people will be far greater than whatever relevancy might be construed. 

If he was a white guy sexually assaulting girls, would it matter?  If he was a Mormon Fundamentalist sexually abusing girls because he considered them his wives, then it would. 

[johnzo]

48 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

Part of the issue is that the media doesn't seem to want to cover these attacks. 

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14642/tbl/tbl05-eng.htm

There are about 25,000 sexual assaults of all levels in Canada annually.

The vast majority of them receive no media coverage. It's only notorious cases like Ghomeshi that really make a media splash.

[Atomic]

4 minutes ago, johnzo said:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14642/tbl/tbl05-eng.htm

There are about 25,000 sexual assaults of all levels in Canada annually.

The vast majority of them receive no media coverage. It's only notorious cases like Ghomeshi that really make a media splash.

[The Unknown Poster]

1 minute ago, johnzo said:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14642/tbl/tbl05-eng.htm

There are about 25,000 sexual assaults of all levels in Canada annually.

The vast majority of them receive no media coverage. It's only notorious cases like Ghomeshi that really make a media splash.

People wanting more coverage is not because of the sex assault but because of the salaciousness of it being a minority accused.  Again, Im not sure I see the relevance.  There is evidence that shows when a high profile crime is committed by a Muslim that there is racist backlash to other people who simply appear Middle Eastern.  So the head of an Islam organization concerned because the headline is about a perps ethnicity is not unreasonable in my mind.

Honour killings?  Genital mutilations?  Sure, the ethnicity and cultural practices are fair game because they are the motive.  Some creeper touching little girls?  Im not sure being Syrian is his motive.  And I dont think it needs to be swept under the rug but the relevancy comes into the consequences as far as deportation etc.

[johnzo]

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

Interesting from that article:

When we have the executive director of the Islamic Family and Social Services Association advocating for suppressing facts in reporting, that's a serious problem.

My memory of Canadian crime reporting is that typically the ethnicity of the accused is not reported, unless the cops are requesting help looking for a suspect.

For instance, these recent CBC stories about sex assault charges make no mention of ethnicity.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/navy-lieutenant-kingston-ontario-sexual-assault-1.3956078

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/hamilton-doctor-charged-with-3-more-counts-of-sexual-assault-1.3968607

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/historical-sexual-assault-christian-school-1.3938888

They do identify the accused in terms of their jobs and background, though, so on those grounds identifying the accused as a refugee doesn't really seem to be that unusual.

Interesting that the first cases I found when googling for "charged with sexual assault" are all about people in positions of trust and/or authority.  Doctors, military officers, pastors.  I guess that's the threshold for reporting these things: is the accused prominent enough?

[Atomic]

6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

People wanting more coverage is not because of the sex assault but because of the salaciousness of it being a minority accused.  Again, Im not sure I see the relevance.  There is evidence that shows when a high profile crime is committed by a Muslim that there is racist backlash to other people who simply appear Middle Eastern.  So the head of an Islam organization concerned because the headline is about a perps ethnicity is not unreasonable in my mind.

Honour killings?  Genital mutilations?  Sure, the ethnicity and cultural practices are fair game because they are the motive.  Some creeper touching little girls?  Im not sure being Syrian is his motive.  And I dont think it needs to be swept under the rug but the relevancy comes into the consequences as far as deportation etc.

The fact is.... if they didn't report that he was a Syrian refugee and then people later found out via a police leak or whatever, it would look really bad on the news organizations reporting.  Or if one news org declined to report that he was a Syrian refugee and others did.

The truth is that refugees are a HUGE news item right now and everything is going to be reported.  We get good stories about refugees integrating well into society ( http://www.winnipegsun.com/2017/01/07/syrian-refugees-mark-first-year-in-manitoba ) and on the flip side we get bad stories about refugees committing crimes.  "Refugee" is the story here.  Sex assault is just the crime.  And people have a right to know the facts so they can have an informed opinion.  The reader can decide whether it's relevant or not, I don't need some news organization or reporter telling me.

[kelownabomberfan]

20 minutes ago, johnzo said:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14642/tbl/tbl05-eng.htm

There are about 25,000 sexual assaults of all levels in Canada annually.

The vast majority of them receive no media coverage. It's only notorious cases like Ghomeshi that really make a media splash.

So is this story notorious because of the fact that the person is Syrian, or because he molested six girls in one single afternoon?  Have there been other cases in Canada (in it's entire history) of one person molesting six girls in one afternoon at a public swimming pool?  Or any other public places?  Isn't the number (six) in one go a bit disturbing in and of itself?  Wouldn't this story have been widely reported on that fact alone, no matter what the ethnicity of the person doing it?

[Brandon Blue&Gold]

1 hour ago, kelownabomberfan said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-swimming-pool-vienna-austria-sentence-conviction-overturned-a7377491.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/asylum-seekers-sexual-assault-germany-girls-swimming-pool-arrested-isis-rapist-syria-fighter-nusra-a7569811.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/704315/teenagers-sexually-assaulted-Iraqi-migrant-arrested-Stuttgart-swimming-pool-attack

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35326090

Just yesterday:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4202942/Two-migrants-charged-molesting-girls-swimming-pool.html

Part of the issue is that the media doesn't seem to want to cover these attacks.  Or the only sites that cover it are ones deemed to be "fake news" by certain elements and so therefore potentially they are just made up.  So it's a self-fulfilling prophecy - the media that is "trusted" won't report it, so therefore there is doubt as to whether it exists.  Case in point - it doesn't appear that the Edmonton molestation story has been reported by the CBC.  Is this because they deem it not newsworthy?  Or are there other reasons?  Is this willful blindness to cover these stories (if this indeed is happening) beneficial to society and the greater good?  I am just asking the question.

 

Thanks for the links.  Two of them reference the same story and The Express is about as unbiased as Fox News/MSNBC.  I'm not sure they prove there is an epidemic of Syrian refugee crimes.  I grant that it certainly occurs but are incidents made bigger because they are by refugees?  Would the BBC even care if the pool assault guy was named Fritz and not Amir?  Would it be any different if they were, for instance, Ukrainian refugees fleeing a Russian invasion?  Not so long ago (even to this day apparently) gypsies were the scum and scourge of Europe, guilty of every crime and shunned wherever they went.  I don't really think it matters that they're Syrian or Muslim or whatever.  You put a group of dispossessed people into a place where they're not really wanted and can't really settle down.  Incidents will sadly happen. But is it an epidemic or no worse that typical crime rates over there?
 

[Brandon Blue&Gold]

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/12/opinion/the-islamic-state-of-molenbeek.html?_r=0

And that is a bigger problem for the Europeans than the Syrian refugees I'd say, radicalization in existing Muslim enclaves such as in Brussels and Paris.  It's in these places where ISIS does well in their recruitments and have been the source for a number of recent terrorist attacks.  I'd say Europe has more of an integration issue than a refugee issue.  In the U.S and Canada we seem to do a much better job of welcoming immigrants and refugees (until recently) and they in turn integrate pretty well, for the most part.  No so in Europe where they maintain the old divisions and hatreds. 

[JCon]

Dan the Magic Man pleads guilty to 2 counts of child pornography

There's no mention of this man's ethnicity or where he was born. I wonder why CBC is hiding that information and protecting him? 

[Mark F]

 

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Between 1850 and 1930, about one million Asians from China, Japan, Korea, the Philippines, and India came to the United States. But by the second half of the 19th Century a backlash had developed; Asian immigrants and the assimilation of Asians into society was said to pose, "the greatest threat to Western civilization and the White Race" and increasingly restrictive laws were passed; first to keep Asians out of the skilled trades, then to restrict further immigration, and later to end all Asian immigration.

 

Chinese men were stereotyped as degenerate heroin addicts whose presence encouraged prostitution, gambling, and other immoral activities.

 

 

 

"none is too many"

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Early in 1939 an unidentified immigration agent was asked how many Jews would be allowed in Canada after the war. He replied "None is too many".

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The MS St. Louis was a German ocean liner most notable for a single voyage in 1939, in which its captain, Gustav Schröder, tried to find homes for over 900 Jewish refugees from Germany. After they were denied entry to Cuba, the United States, and Canada, the refugees were finally accepted in various European countries, and historians have estimated that approximately a quarter of them died in death camps during World War II.

same **** different pile.

Edited February 10, 2017 by Mark F

[kelownabomberfan]

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A leaked report into a surge in sex crimes by immigrants at German public swimming pools is a 'grave concern', according to officials. 

The secret report's authenticity has been confirmed by the authorities in Dusseldorf which outlines the particular worry over rapes and sexual abuse of children.

It comes just months after the nightmare scenes in Cologne on New Year's Eve when hundreds of women were sexually abused by marauding gangs of migrants and less than a month since an Iraqi migrant was jailed for raping a 10-year-old boy in an Austrian swimming pool.

The internal report was issued for officers of the Criminal Commisariat 12 - responsible for sex crimes and missing persons - and states: 'The K12 can confirm a surge in sex crimes at these establishments. 

'In particular rape and the sexual abuse of children in bathing establishments have given us grave cause for concern. 

'The perpetrators are, for the most part, immigrants.'

The Bild newspaper revealed the document on Monday - just six months after the nightmare scenes in Cologne on New Year's Eve when the German welcome mat for refugees was well and truly rolled up.

In and around the main railway station on December 31 hundreds of women were sexually abused and robbed by marauding gangs of migrants as the police failed to tackle the situation. 

Ever since then the number of migrants - men from sexually repressive Muslim countries - attacking scantily clad women and children at swimming baths has continue to soar.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673302/Leaked-German-sex-crime-report-confirms-surge-child-rapes-migrants.html#ixzz4YEu0nGdS
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[kelownabomberfan]

1 hour ago, JCon said:

Dan the Magic Man pleads guilty to 2 counts of child pornography

There's no mention of this man's ethnicity or where he was born. I wonder why CBC is hiding that information and protecting him? 

Did he molest six girls at a swimming pool, in one day? 

[kelownabomberfan]

2 hours ago, Brandon Blue&Gold said:

. But is it an epidemic or no worse that typical crime rates over there?
 

Not sure anyone said it was an epidemic.

[Mark H.]

7 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/03/misbehaving-syrian-students-are-a-federal-problem

As to why feminists aren't doing anything about the treatment of women?  It is totally bizarre, I agree. 

I know a teacher at that school - spent a week with him in Ottawa. He feels the whole thing got blown out of proportion by rebel media. This is a highschool with 2000 + students, they have behaviour problems to deal with every day. 

[The Unknown Poster]

19 hours ago, Atomic said:

The fact is.... if they didn't report that he was a Syrian refugee and then people later found out via a police leak or whatever, it would look really bad on the news organizations reporting.  Or if one news org declined to report that he was a Syrian refugee and others did.

The truth is that refugees are a HUGE news item right now and everything is going to be reported.  We get good stories about refugees integrating well into society ( http://www.winnipegsun.com/2017/01/07/syrian-refugees-mark-first-year-in-manitoba ) and on the flip side we get bad stories about refugees committing crimes.  "Refugee" is the story here.  Sex assault is just the crime.  And people have a right to know the facts so they can have an informed opinion.  The reader can decide whether it's relevant or not, I don't need some news organization or reporter telling me.

When you find out a white guy who comitted a crime was actually from France, do you feel a sense of backlash to the media for not reporting that? 

Its relevant when he's found guilty as far as being deported. 

I could even accept the relevancy of there are widespread issues that would indicate an issue with the cultural emmersion into Canadian standards.  That to me would be an issue for immigration and indicate they aren't properly preparing new arrivals for life in this country. 

[Atomic]

4 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

When you find out a white guy who comitted a crime was actually from France, do you feel a sense of backlash to the media for not reporting that? 

Its relevant when he's found guilty as far as being deported. 

I could even accept the relevancy of there are widespread issues that would indicate an issue with the cultural emmersion into Canadian standards.  That to me would be an issue for immigration and indicate they aren't properly preparing new arrivals for life in this country. 

People want to know.  That's really the end-of-story.  People want to know so the news has an obligation to report it if they know.

[kelownabomberfan]

2 hours ago, Atomic said:

People want to know.  That's really the end-of-story.  People want to know so the news has an obligation to report it if they know.

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When the media reports stories like this one, decisions about what information is relevant have to be made on a case-by-case basis and sometimes on a day-by-day basis, said David Tait, a professor at Ottawa's Carleton University who has taught ethics courses at the journalism school.

"Journalists have to sort of go and look at a situation not from the standpoint of, 'Is there public appetite for this information? Do people want to know it?' But, 'Is that detail relevant at this stage to this story?'

"And that's a very difficult thing to determine as a journalist, because you also have to be careful that you're not making your judgment for some sort of social engineering purpose.

"To say, 'Oh I don't want to make these sorts of people look bad' or 'I don't want to make these sorts of people look good.' You shouldn't make your journalistic judgments based on how you want people to think about something, because that's not the journalistic mission."

Tait said in this case, while reporting immediately after the arrest was made public, he would have questioned whether details about the accused's background were relevant.

"My question would be, would we have run additional background details about this person if they were a gay man? A gun owner? If they were Jewish? If they were a fundamentalist Christian? If they were a recent arrival from the United States? If they were any number of other identifiers?"

It's the responsibility of journalists to try to determine what the public needs to know to understand the story. Once the public has the information, people will make their own choices about what's relevant to them, he said.

Some will seize on information that confirms their own views about the world and overlook other aspects of the story.

"Our job is to report what's going on out there in the world," he said.

The story about the water park allegation, Tait said, "is a classic example of where people these days are rushing to grab details, to use individual facts as weapons instead of looking at those details and saying, 'How does this fit into my developing understanding of the world?'"

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/syrian-refugee-west-edmonton-mall-sexual-assault-reaction-racism-1.3973831

[Atomic]

Thanks for posting that KBF, I think that's a really interesting and balanced take on it.