bb1 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Goalie said: Hes one of the best defensive d men in the game... Just cuz you've never heard of him or watched him play... Doesnt mean he isnt. Give me 6 Slavins on the Jets over all 6 they currently have. Kids a stud. Legit. This deal is a huge steal for Carolina Points arent all that matters by the way. This guy is a legit shutdown d man.. Plays against the other teams best players and shuts them down. Yea well ya gotta prove it over more than a year to get a 7 year contract ...and yea never heard of him don't see his name mentioned anywhere as one of the top shutdown defensemen in the league...and 30 points? Gotta have a little more offensive upside than that to be an elite all around defenseman...good reason y Francis is a GM in Carolina cause who there cares. Means Trouba gonna be looking for 6+ and I can't blame him when Gms are tossing money around.
Floyd Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, bb1 said: Yea well ya gotta prove it over more than a year to get a 7 year contract ...and yea never heard of him don't see his name mentioned anywhere as one of the top shutdown defensemen in the league...and 30 points? Gotta have a little more offensive upside than that to be an elite all around defenseman...good reason y Francis is a GM in Carolina cause who there cares. Means Trouba gonna be looking for 6+ and I can't blame him when Gms are tossing money around. More like 8+
Atomic Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 23 years old and he's their #1 defenceman. 5 mil will end up being a bargain. Goalie and sweep the leg 2
Jimmy Pop Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Atomic said: 23 years old and he's their #1 defenceman. 5 mil will end up being a bargain. Slavin is the exact kind of player you want to give big term & money to. They drafted & developed him. He's already playing a huge role there, his trajectory says he becomes an even more important piece moving forward. He's being paid $200,000 more than Dekeyser in Detroit, who's 3 years older and not as good. One example, sure. Still, hell of a good contract for the Canes. Goalie and Atomic 2
Judd Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Other teams have really been doing us favors in terms of their contracts for young comparables to Trouba. Lindholm - 5.25 Slavin - 5.3 Klefbom - 4.3 (granted it was signed a couple years ago) Makes it hard for a guy to ask for 9 mill when comparables make 60% of that. Edited July 13, 2017 by Judd
Atomic Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Judd said: Other teams have really been doing us favors in terms of their contracts for young comparables to Trouba. Lindholm - 5.25 Slavin - 5.3 Klefbom - 4.3 (granted it was signed a couple years ago) Makes it hard for a guy to ask for 9 mill when comparables make 60% of that. Even with the Winnipeg premium I can't see Trouba getting more than 6.5 M. Of course that depends on how he plays this year. He won't be extending before the end of his current deal, IMO. FrostyWinnipeg 1
Rich Posted July 13, 2017 Author Report Posted July 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Judd said: Other teams have really been doing us favors in terms of their contracts for young comparables to Trouba. Lindholm - 5.25 Slavin - 5.3 Klefbom - 4.3 (granted it was signed a couple years ago) Makes it hard for a guy to ask for 9 mill when comparables make 60% of that. The problem with those contracts is they are not exact comparables (for sure with Lindholm and Slavin, didn't check Klefblom). Lindholm and Slavin signed those deals immediately after their ELC. Trouba took a bridge contract for 2 years. So if Trouba signs for similar term, you are going to have to pay for 2 extra UFA years, which will bring the overall AAV up. Expect Trouba to get more. And his contract negotiation will be anything but easy with the agent he has. blue_gold_84, SPuDS and Atomic 3
FrostyWinnipeg Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 18 minutes ago, Judd said: Other teams have really been doing us favors in terms of their contracts for young comparables to Trouba. Lindholm - 5.25 Slavin - 5.3 Klefbom - 4.3 (granted it was signed a couple years ago) Makes it hard for a guy to ask for 9 mill when comparables make 60% of that. And Maatta.
Goalie Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: And Maatta. Maatta sucks. And BTW... Trouba is better than all those guys.. 6 years x 7 million is probably fair. Edited July 13, 2017 by Goalie
Goalie Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 Mason Appleton 5th rd pick 2015 leaves Michigan State and signs his ELC with the Jets.. Definitely a good player who should help the Moose. blue_gold_84 1
Atomic Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 53 minutes ago, Goalie said: Maatta sucks. And BTW... Trouba is better than all those guys.. 6 years x 7 million is probably fair. Not sure many people outside of Winnipeg would agree with you re: Trouba better than all those guys. Floyd and FrostyWinnipeg 2
Jimmy Pop Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 Can we agree that all those guys are fairly comparable though? Personally, I'd have Maata slightly below the others just because of the injury history. But to me they're all pretty close in terms of value, performance, age etc. It's like saying would you rather have Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Who cares who you'd rather.... they're both elite and win. A Trouba extension this summer is fun to think about. With Mason in the fold and Kulikov bolstering left side depth, would a long term deal for Trouba make this Chevy's best summer to date? Given that's not exactly a high bar.
blue_gold_84 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Rich said: Deal's reportedly worth $500M. Nice payday for Karmanos if it goes through. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-13/greenberg-is-said-to-near-500-million-deal-for-nhl-s-hurricanes Edited July 13, 2017 by blue_gold_84 link added
Rich Posted July 13, 2017 Author Report Posted July 13, 2017 I guess that is the going rate for an NHL franchise as that is what Vegas paid. True North paid a reported $170 Million for the Jets in 2011 (60 of that as a relocation fee to the NHL). Over 7 years, that is a pretty darn good appreciation of an asset. Karmanos reportedly paid $48 million for the Canes in 1994. I wonder how much he has lost operating that team over that time period. Atomic, blue_gold_84, rebusrankin and 1 other 4
Atomic Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 1994?! Holy ****. Doesn't seem that long ago.
FrostyWinnipeg Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Rich said: Karmanos reportedly paid $48 million for the Canes in 1994. I wonder how much he has lost operating that team over that time period. They were still in Hartford.
iHeart Posted July 15, 2017 Report Posted July 15, 2017 sounds like the NHL may return to QC next year, hey why not the economy in Canada is nearly back to normal https://www.nhl.com/news/carolina-hurricanes-owner-received-offer-to-sell-team/c-290391034
Goalie Posted July 16, 2017 Report Posted July 16, 2017 11 hours ago, iHeart said: sounds like the NHL may return to QC next year, hey why not the economy in Canada is nearly back to normal https://www.nhl.com/news/carolina-hurricanes-owner-received-offer-to-sell-team/c-290391034 Dont count on it. Not yet. It wont be Carolina.
blue_gold_84 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Posted July 17, 2017 On 7/15/2017 at 10:46 AM, iHeart said: sounds like the NHL may return to QC next year, hey why not the economy in Canada is nearly back to normal https://www.nhl.com/news/carolina-hurricanes-owner-received-offer-to-sell-team/c-290391034 How did you come to that conclusion? Goalie 1
FrostyWinnipeg Posted July 17, 2017 Report Posted July 17, 2017 The guy is close to Houston. Big mystery why NHL not in 4th largest city in USA.
Goalie Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 19 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: The guy is close to Houston. Big mystery why NHL not in 4th largest city in USA. Part of the deal is to keep them in Raleigh. Houston isnt in the NHL because they havent shown interest. blue_gold_84 1
blue_gold_84 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, Goalie said: Part of the deal is to keep them in Raleigh. Houston isnt in the NHL because they havent shown interest. Which is too bad. There's a proper NHL-sized arena there, one the Aeros called home for a decade. Goalie and SPuDS 2
FrostyWinnipeg Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 They were up for consideration to some degree back in 97. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.sports.hockey.nhl.edm-oilers/txbAQWI2mmI
Goalie Posted July 18, 2017 Report Posted July 18, 2017 20 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: They were up for consideration to some degree back in 97. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.sports.hockey.nhl.edm-oilers/txbAQWI2mmI Thats 21 years ago now.
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