Game 2 : @ Flames

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Game Time : Saturday 9PM , SN1/CITY

Game Story : Both teams looking to come back after opening night losses

 

Edited November 5, 2017 by FrostyWinnipeg

[Judd]

Helle better get the start 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

[HardCoreBlue]

6 minutes ago, Judd said:

Helle better get the start 

Really, we've given up on Mason already? 

If I was the coach which I'm not, I'd start Mason and tell him show me that was an anomaly.

 

[Atomic]

15 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Really, we've given up on Mason already? 

If I was the coach which I'm not, I'd start Mason and tell him show me that was an anomaly.

Mason is the kind of guy you have to be gentle with.  He is mentally fragile.  I think you put Hellebuyck in and give him a game or two before going back to Mason.

[Judd]

24 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Really, we've given up on Mason already? 

If I was the coach which I'm not, I'd start Mason and tell him show me that was an anomaly.

 

Nobody's given up on him. He just played like absolute dog **** and didn't earn a consecutive start yet. It's still a competition for playing time and this is helle's chance. That's all 

Edited October 5, 2017 by Judd

[HardCoreBlue]

2 minutes ago, Judd said:

Nobody's given up on him. He just played like absolute dog **** and didn't earn a consecutive start yet. It's still a competition for playing time and this is helle's chance. That's all 

Fair enough and I agree with you about earned but in this specific scenario I think it's wise to start him, give him one mulligan.  

[blue_gold_84]

From the Jets' first penalty and ensuing PPG against, the entire team played like dog turds. I don't see how last night's loss gets pinned on one player, especially one who got hung out to dry. It was basically the same old same from the Jets after they fell 1-0.

I'd like to see Mason get the start and hopefully see the team rally and play better than they did yesterday.

[HardCoreBlue]

11 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Mason is the kind of guy you have to be gentle with.  He is mentally fragile.  I think you put Hellebuyck in and give him a game or two before going back to Mason.

I hear what you're saying but not starting him could have the same effect that you are trying to protect him from.  

[sweep the leg]

14 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Mason is the kind of guy you have to be gentle with.  He is mentally fragile.  I think you put Hellebuyck in and give him a game or two before going back to Mason.

If you're worried about somebody's mental toughness, I don't think benching him for a couple games so he has more time to think about it is the way to go. Regardless of that though, I'd play him again simply b/c he's our starter and these games aren't back to back.

[Noeller]

I always Lol at people who see a box score like that and go "Well, we gave up 7 goals...goalie sucks"..........

As with last year, goaltending wasn't the real issue. Team defense was awful again last night and that is backed up by Maurice's presser today. They couldn't defend and left the goaltender vulnerable all night. Didn't skate well enough, didn't hit....so they got skated hard today. Give 'em all a re-do on Saturday night...same line-up, same tendy......let 'em prove it was an accident.

[blue_gold_84]

18 hours ago, Noeller said:

I always Lol at people who see a box score like that and go "Well, we gave up 7 goals...goalie sucks"..........

As with last year, goaltending wasn't the real issue. Team defense was awful again last night and that is backed up by Maurice's presser today. They couldn't defend and left the goaltender vulnerable all night. Didn't skate well enough, didn't hit....so they got skated hard today. Give 'em all a re-do on Saturday night...same line-up, same tendy......let 'em prove it was an accident.

Hell, after the first period last night, there were people grumbling about Mason in the concourse. "He's garbage, can't even make a save, what a sieve, I'm an idiot and don't pay attention to the game." (I added that last one)

Bottom line: the same issues that cost the Jets two points last night are the very same issues that have plagued them since this franchise relocated to Winnipeg. Changing one player, especially in net, is not going to suddenly turn the tide. Everyone has to step up and start doing their damn job more consistently.

Edited October 6, 2017 by blue_gold_84

[Atomic]

1 hour ago, sweep the leg said:

If you're worried about somebody's mental toughness, I don't think benching him for a couple games so he has more time to think about it is the way to go. Regardless of that though, I'd play him again simply b/c he's our starter and these games aren't back to back.

Yeah maybe.  But if you go right back to him and he gets shelled again....

[Jimmy Pop]

Mason starting game 2 is the right move, IMO. 

As mentioned, his mental game has been questioned in the past.   You take his starting gig away after 1 bad game = bad precedent that may really sour him. Give Mason the CGY game to regroup and throw Helle to the wolves vs. Edm.  

Either way, goaltending only one of 1208412 that didn't go our way last night.  

[sweep the leg]

1 hour ago, Atomic said:

Yeah maybe.  But if you go right back to him and he gets shelled again....

It's trouble in either scenario if he gets shelled in his next start.

[Goalie]

He played Calgary twice in exhibition. I dunno who id start. 

[bustamente]

Stay with Mason either he plays lights out or gets pulled again, then after he is crushed we throw he on the scrap heap and do the same to Helle and after Helle Cormie is the next victim and then Berdin, all jokes aside the defense in our zone is comical and I mean all 5 guys nobody seems to know what they are supposed to do or what part of the ice they should be covering, get that straighten out and even with average goaltending we should win our fair share of games. That's it for me tonight Yankees, Centre Ice and Football on tap.

[Goalie]

Ill give them until US Thanksgiving. If they still look awful... Then changes need to be made. Mason is a good goalie... He had a rough night like the entire team did. Thankfully the Bombers are good so im a little i dunno... I care less about the Jets atm than i normally would. 1 game.. It happens to everyone. Perhaps a wake up call was needed. 

[Rich]

8 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Good news is that after the Pittsburgh / Chicago game tonight, Mason may not have the worst GAA in the league.

[Goalie]

Just now, Rich said:

Good news is that after the Pittsburgh / Chicago game tonight, Mason may not have the worst GAA in the league.

Yeah chicago gonna hit double digits. 

[The Unknown Poster]

You come back with Mason.  Have to really.  Its not like Helle was a revelation in relief so to me, there is no question.  Mason is your starter.  You come back with him.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Today's practice lines:

27-55-26

85-18-29

16-17-19

13-9-40

56

 

44-33

5-8

39-57

7-3

 

35 37

Edited October 6, 2017 by FrostyWinnipeg

[BomberBall]

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Today's practice lines:

27-55-26

85-18-29

16-17-19

13-9-40

56 44-33

5-8

39-57

7-3

35 37

I like to see Petan getting a shot, but don't care for Armia dropping down to the 4th.  Reuniting the Schweelers line can't hurt.

[Brandon Blue&Gold]

Replace Tanev with Dano and those lines are ok.  Also give the 4th line more than 5 minutes a game. 

[Goalie]

Interesting comment by a guy on a different site 

I said this a few times last year in regards to different things, but doesthis (in bold) ever take me back to the Maurice-era with Carolina 2009-November 2011 when they fired him. This is one of the EXACT points I andmany other Canes fans used to make. Bizarre to read this so manyyears later with a completely different organization. Surprising?no.. but this really takes me back.

We may have only played game #1 of this season, but I am the guy whowatched Maurice on two separateoccasions in Carolina, most recentlythe dog days of 2009-2011 when he was fired. And I'm just reliving it all now. Frustrating. I try to have some optimism but it's incredibly hard.

I read a post here the other day, I forget by who, but they saidsomething to the effect of "Maurice can have a roster of individual talent but he can never get them to consistently play as a team". This is another post that really took me back, as it is another argument I and Canes fans made here regularly. It was just baffling. And so incredibly true for Maurice coached teams. Look at the Canes in 2010-11. Many players had some pretty darn goodyears that year, but the PP sucked, PK sucked, no identity, no consistency as a team, the list goes on and on. Staal racked up 76 points. Rookie Skinner scored 31 goals and 63 points. Tuomo Ruutu had a great year posting 57 points while playing in all 82 games. Same for Erik Cole, played all 82 games and notched 26 goals and 52 points. Jussi Jokinen played 70 games and accumulated 52 points. Depthplayers LaRose, Sutter and Dwyer (who Maurice played in roles above their heads) all combined for 38 goals and 78 points! Offensively speaking from the backend Pitkanen and Corvo both had 35-40 points. 22 year old dman Jamie McBain hit 30 points as a rookie in his first full NHL season. For heavens sake Cam Ward hit 37 wins, a 2.56GAA and a SV% of .923! How the **** did this team NOT make the playoffs?!?! Hello Paul Maurice. Andthe arguments many make about the Jets/Maurice now are the EXACT cries I and other Canes fans made back then.

- That year the Canes were the 5 or 6th highest scoring team in the eastern conference, but allowed the 6th most goals in the conference. Goal differential of -3.

- 7th worst PP (How does a team this offensively potent have such a **** PP?)

- 11th worst PK

- Allowed the most shots against per game (33.2)

- 3rd worst in shot attempts against

Want to see Maurice's special teams rankings prior to joining the Jets (dating back to 02-03)




Leading up to Maurice being fired in November 2011, it was just comical. Despite PP "specialists" like Joni Pitkanen and Tomas Kaberle on the roster, bottom pairing/AHL level defenseman Jay Harrison, who had never scored a PP goal in his career, was getting over two minutes of average PP time per game.

Again prior to Maurice being fired by Carolina in 2011, the most used line for Carolina was third line of Brandon Sutter, Patrick Dwyer andJiri Tlusty. Their second-most used combination was again their third line, this time consisting of Sutter, Dwyer and Alexei Ponikarovsky. Just baffling.

When Eric Staal was in a big slump, Maurice, in all his widom, movedStaal to LW and formed a no. 1 line of Staal - Sutter - LaRose...............


Up to that point, over his last six years of coaching, Paul Maurice had an ugly 50-66-28 record in October and November; that equates to amiserable 34.2 winning percentage in the first two months of the regular season.

But don't worry, his teams finishstrong when it becomes meaningless.

Maurice-coached teams' record in final 10 games of the season

2016-17 Jets finished the year 8-2-0
2015-16 Jets finished the year 6-2-2
2014-15 Jets made the playoffs
2010-11 Canes finished the year 7-3-1
2009-10 Canes finished the year 5-3-2
2008-09 Canes made the playoffs
2007-08 Leafs finished the year 4-5-1
2006-07 Leafs finished the year 6-3-1


I should also add, Maurice was (re)hired by Carolina December2008 after they fired Laviolette. Paul instantly turned that team around going 33-19-5 and advancing to the eastern conference finals. The next season came and the team SUCKED. They had just 3 wins by mid-NOVEMBER and at one point lost 14 games in a row. Jim Rutherford shipped out lots of vets and deemed it a "re-build" that year (2009-10). The team expected to make the playoffs in 2010-11 (Failed) and also expected to make it in 2011-12, but Maurice was axed inNovember.

It's a similar trend to Maurice's time in Winnipeg. Hired, immediate results/playoffs, then a re-build, and now we are seeing what Paul can do coming out of that rebuild. I'm not holding my breathe.

Damn. That's not looking good. I like maurice the person but the coach seems to be repeating history. Good talker tho.. But his results just arent there. 

Edited October 7, 2017 by Goalie