GM Kyle Walters | Wrapping Up 2017

[blue_gold_84]

1 hour ago, Jesse said:

I don’t believe they intended on him starting this past year, they simply couldn’t find a replacement and the ratio factors allowed us to play an extra import on the DL so it just kind of happened.

this is a recruitment issue, IMO. Not a coaching one.

Bingo. O'Shea never said Hurl was the answer at MLB. The team, and management in particular, gambled at a key position. It didn't pay off.

[kelownabomberfan]

4 hours ago, Noeller said:

Everybody here talks a big game... Come June, we'll all be fired up and ready to go, no matter who's pencilled in to start at MACK.... 

we're hiring June Jones?  Awesome!

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Bingo. O'Shea never said Hurl was the answer at MLB. The team, and management in particular, gambled at a key position. It didn't pay off.

Didnt we start 8 canadians with him a few times this year? Chungh, goosen, jfg, harris, thomas, hurl, westerman, and loffler were our starting NIs out of camp iirc. 

[blue_gold_84]

Just now, wbbfan said:

Didnt we start 8 canadians with him a few times this year? Chungh, goosen, jfg, harris, thomas, hurl, westerman, and loffler were our starting NIs out of camp iirc. 

What's your point?

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, blue_gold_84 said:

What's your point?

Well, we didnt have to start him and we did find our LBer (jsk) If you listen to the presser its also pretty clear that hurl isnt walters guy, hes mos guy. 

[Jesse]

10 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Well, we didnt have to start him and we did find our LBer (jsk) If you listen to the presser its also pretty clear that hurl isnt walters guy, hes mos guy. 

Again, we started him because we didn’t have an Import LB step up. JSK worked his way into the roster at WIL.

[blue_gold_84]

54 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Well, we didnt have to start him and we did find our LBer (jsk) If you listen to the presser its also pretty clear that hurl isnt walters guy, hes mos guy. 

Except there wasn't anyone better on the roster even with the ratio flexibility. Temple and Knox didn't pan out and Santos-Knox was better at WIL.

Regardless of whose "guy" Hurl was (the O'Shea Loyalty Theory holds no water), management didn't do an adequate job at MLB. Let me add this: the team should've done something during the season, either via trade or continued recruitment. Standing pat at such a crucial position was a terrible decision, and both Walters and O'Shea share the blame.

Edited November 19, 2017 by blue_gold_84
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[Goalie]

Middle Linebacker was between Temple K Knox and Hurl... Temple was let go.. Knox was awful... Hurl got it by default and kept it by default. 

[Floyd]

Lots of twisting and turning on here...  hurl kept the job because he is halls project and osh lives his 'leadership'

lots of opportunity to try someone else or bring in another MLB - it was hurls job even before camp... 

[Goalie]

3 minutes ago, Floyd said:

Lots of twisting and turning on here...  hurl kept the job because he is halls project and osh lives his 'leadership'

lots of opportunity to try someone else or bring in another MLB - it was hurls job even before camp... 

Lol. It actually wasnt. You are the one definitely reaching here. He signed a 1 year contract after becoming a free agent... There was competition at camp and despite the conspiracy theory you believe and whether ppl agree or not.. He won by default... They gave temple knox etc chances... They failed. The devil you know vs the ones you dont seems to apply here. 

But is Hurl the reason our D gave up a ton of yards every game? Or is he just 1 guy? 

Edited November 19, 2017 by Goalie

[Floyd]

1 minute ago, Goalie said:

Lol. It actually wasnt. You are the one definitely reaching here. 

Remind me who exactly they brought in to replace bass and how many reps these guys got in pre-season?

i don't even know what point you guys are trying to make other than rewriting history to blindly defend O'Shea 

[Blueandgold]

The spin that has gone on with Hurl on this site is hilarious. The guy sucks and never should've been our starting MLB. Thomas Miles should've been given a chance to start, he played better in Toronto than Hurl ever did here.

[Guest J5V]

3 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Lol. It actually wasnt. You are the one definitely reaching here. He signed a 1 year contract after becoming a free agent... Their was competition at camp and despite the conspiracy theory you believe and whether ppl agree or not.. He won by default... They gave temple knox etc chances... They failed. 

First one to say "conspiracy theory" loses. Sorry.

[Floyd]

33 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Lol. It actually wasnt. You are the one definitely reaching here. He signed a 1 year contract after becoming a free agent... There was competition at camp and despite the conspiracy theory you believe and whether ppl agree or not.. He won by default... They gave temple knox etc chances... They failed. The devil you know vs the ones you dont seems to apply here. 

But is Hurl the reason our D gave up a ton of yards every game? Or is he just 1 guy? 

One year contract has absolutely nothing to do with this debate.

Hurl essentially the captain of our D...  he's one guy who gets swallowed up in the DL constantly while other teams use their MLB almost like a linebacker or something.

He's also likely the reason that Loffler has to play so shallow

Feels like Hall is changing his whole scheme to suit Hurl's limited ability...  but sure he's just one guy

[wbbfan]

57 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Again, we started him because we didn’t have an Import LB step up. JSK worked his way into the roster at WIL.

JSK played mlb on passing downs before wild came back. Wil, sam, jack, mike doesnt matter if you cant tackle. Also our Use of hurl wasnt as a mlber. He virtually never played mid linebacker box area. 

We made no attempt to improve over hurl from last year to this year. And refused to play the best players we had at the positions. A lber who is used as a jack half the time, but doesnt get any pressure, and in any position (in a gap, scraping to the ball or peeling back) cant make a tackle isnt a Lber. Its just a horrible waste of a roster spot. 

 

 

[Floyd]

We had a Richie hall D without Mo Lloyd...  very simple explanation why we're not playing today..,

[wbbfan]

2 minutes ago, Floyd said:

One year contract has absolutely nothing to do with this debate.

Hurl essentially the captain of our D...  he's one guy who gets swallowed up in the DL constantly while other teams use their MLB almost like a linebacker or something.

He's also likely the reason that Loffler has to play so shallow

Feels like Hall is changing his whole scheme to suit Hurl's limited ability...  but sure he's just one guy

For the first considerable portion of the season if hurl was in he was run blitzing or wasting space. Loffler up in the box to send hurl up the line was certainly the strategy used. We moved more and more away from it and rotated hurl out more and more. Walters talked in his post season presser that the need to rotate guys and essentially hide guys was wearing thin. That he wanted to get a core of 12 guys and let them play more.  And most talked a good bit about needing to change things up on the D. It was talked about in the media a good bit when mos became more hands on in the D. And it showed on the field. Far more blitzs designed to get pressure, more pressure from our ends, and more exotic blitz packages. 

It seems that change will come to our D. Not in the form of coaches though. What our new scheme will be no one can say. But I would be surprised if it wasnt more mixed fronts, more blitzs that are better designed, and less designed to cover up a short few weaknesses. 

[Guest J5V]

Just listened to Kyle's presser again. Anyone else disappointed to hear him use injuries as an excuse and complain about not being in the East. I get that he wants to make his team look as good as possible, especially considering our disappointing exit from the playoffs again, but I never expected to hear that from him. After all, isn't he responsible for ensuring we have sufficient depth?

Edited November 19, 2017 by J5V
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[Floyd]

The team we lost to in the west had more injuries than any other team in the league.

big difference? They reloaded with NFL cuts and a trade

[Blueandgold]

19 minutes ago, J5V said:

Just listened to Kyle's presser again. Anyone else disappointed to hear him use injuries as an excuse and complain about not being in the East. I get that he wants to make his team look as good as possible, especially considering our disappointing exit from the playoffs again, but I never expected to hear that from him. After all, isn't he responsible for ensuring we have sufficient depth?

Yeah, would’ve been nice if he took responsibility for not recruiting a half decent receiver. 

If this team wanted to be in the East, we had the option to stay there when Ottawa came back.

[Noeller]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

 

We made no attempt to improve over hurl from last year to this year 

 

 

False.

Both Knox and Santos Knox were, by all accounts, given every opportunity in camp to win that MACK spot and flat out failed. Whether they jist weren't ready, or maybe aren't suited, whatever.... They were very public about how they were trying to find someone new for that spot and the vibe after TC was that Hurl won it more by default. With all that said, it's patently false that they didn't TRY to improve on that spot... 

[wbbfan]

14 minutes ago, Noeller said:

False.

Both Knox and Santos Knox were, by all accounts, given every opportunity in camp to win that MACK spot and flat out failed. Whether they jist weren't ready, or maybe aren't suited, whatever.... They were very public about how they were trying to find someone new for that spot and the vibe after TC was that Hurl won it more by default. With all that said, it's patently false that they didn't TRY to improve on that spot... 

not bringing in any one = not trying to improve the spot.  And no JSK wasnt reported to have failed at mlb in camp. Kknox and temple were. 

[Floyd]

35 minutes ago, Noeller said:

False.

Both Knox and Santos Knox were, by all accounts, given every opportunity in camp to win that MACK spot and flat out failed. Whether they jist weren't ready, or maybe aren't suited, whatever.... They were very public about how they were trying to find someone new for that spot and the vibe after TC was that Hurl won it more by default. With all that said, it's patently false that they didn't TRY to improve on that spot... 

It was very very apparent we were going national MLB before camp... they never came out and said it because there would have been a fan revolt ha

 

[Noeller]

20 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

not bringing in any one = not trying to improve the spot.  And no JSK wasnt reported to have failed at mlb in camp. Kknox and temple were. 

They brought all of those guys in!! 

[Floyd]

Temple was too small ever to be considered, Kyle Knox hadn't shown much, Wilson was slotted in at WIL, temple fell off the radar right away

jsk had a good camp and... um...?

hurl got first team reps from day one and was basically the confirmed starter by day five...