Matt Lauer/Greg Zaun - when will this end??

[The Unknown Poster]

1 minute ago, Atomic said:

Stupid comment by Bezan, but in the grand scheme probably barely newsworthy when there is a president who brags about grabbing ******* and the leader of the provincial NDP writes songs about it and physically abuses women.

Trump has been accused of far worse.  Look at Moore.  Everyone is climbing back on board.  Its disgusting.  Weather the storm?  These people are steering right into it and laughing all the way.

[SPuDS]

22 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

It won't stick because as you even say, it's been blown way out of proportion (just like comparing it to leering at kids).   Anyone with half a brain can see that is was  a bad joke at a bad time... but they can't pretend it didn't happen.

He is not the 1st MP to say something stupid and won't be the last.  There was a Lib MP (Nicola Di Iorio) who made a similar stupid joke in March to a PC MP (Dianne Watts) and he had to publicly apologize too.  That was the end of it for him & this should be the end of it for Bezan as well. 

it was a comparison that relates what the court of public opinion does to a person, not the acts themselves.. dont be obtuse.     I hope it does end here for him too but its now on the internet forever.  Any searches done in the future will have a link to "accused of sexual harrass.." for who knows how long going forward.. is that fair?  Sure, he shouldn't have made the joke so he wears the goat horns.. but everything following up to and including stopping the house of commons to re-air the dirty laundry that had already been dealt with and apologized for... thats ridiculous.

[SPuDS]

19 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Stupid comment by Bezan, but in the grand scheme probably barely newsworthy when there is a president who brags about grabbing ******* and the leader of the provincial NDP writes songs about it and physically abuses women.

exactly.  and yet they had to actually stop the house of commons, give this lady her moment of silence to rehash an already dealt with issue.   that bugs me.   why revisit it?  what point did it serve?

18 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I havent seen too many examples of a one off situation sticking to someone in a major way.  All these instances now are multiple accusers, well vetted etc.  Look at Spacey,  it wasnt the first one that did him in.  Look at Takei, who seems to be weathering it okay.  How long did it take for Cosby to have issues? 

I think most people understand the difference between a joke, a stupid comment and a legitimate example of harassment.  Not everyone, but most.  But if a guy is making sexual jokes right now, he might not be a predator, but he's pretty stupid so theres that.

sure, I agree with that but an accusation of sexual harassment doesn't really just go away..  you will always have that stigma around your name... sure, 10 15 years later maybe not but..  for now?  ya it will linger.

[The Unknown Poster]

11 minutes ago, SPuDS said:

exactly.  and yet they had to actually stop the house of commons, give this lady her moment of silence to rehash an already dealt with issue.   that bugs me.   why revisit it?  what point did it serve?

sure, I agree with that but an accusation of sexual harassment doesn't really just go away..  you will always have that stigma around your name... sure, 10 15 years later maybe not but..  for now?  ya it will linger.

Who are we talking about that has been accused of sexual harassment, was completely innocent, and now has a stigma?  One could make the argument for Michael Jackson but there was a legitimate criminal investigation and he didnt do himself any favours, and yet he still was making a comeback and was widely mourned for the genius he was when he died.

[HardCoreBlue]

7 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Who are we talking about that has been accused of sexual harassment, was completely innocent, and now has a stigma?  One could make the argument for Michael Jackson but there was a legitimate criminal investigation and he didnt do himself any favours, and yet he still was making a comeback and was widely mourned for the genius he was when he died.

That's a great question. 

You would think they  and/or people close to them would have popped up in the media (maybe they have and I haven't seen it) to voice their opinion on what is transpiring these days when it comes to this issue.

[Logan007]

2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Who had Melanie Martinez in their pool?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/melanie-martinez-accused-sexual-assault-080129312.html

Who the hell names a girl Timothy?  I was totally confused with the article at first.

[Logan007]

******* double post

Edited December 5, 2017 by Logan007

[Wideleft]

On 12/1/2017 at 2:59 PM, Noeller said:

that guy is off the charts insane.....those super bible thumpers are always the ones with something going on behind the scenes. Wouldn't surprise me in the least...

http://www.constantinereport.com/a-very-long-list-of-republican-sex-offenders/  Check out the bible thumpers on this list.  I verified the first 5  or 6  and then realized the list is about 10 pages long.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Wideleft

[SPuDS]

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Who are we talking about that has been accused of sexual harassment, was completely innocent, and now has a stigma?  One could make the argument for Michael Jackson but there was a legitimate criminal investigation and he didnt do himself any favours, and yet he still was making a comeback and was widely mourned for the genius he was when he died.

You don't see this as a reach in regards to having been accused of sexual harassment?   Anyone who's name has been brought up in national media as a person who has sexually harassed someone will carry that stigma.. where is the confusion exactly?

as for the comparison of Bezan saying "not my kind of 3 way.." by having a photo op of 2 different political parties together isn't anything even remotely close to Micheal Jackson and his numerous incidents with children being in his care..

 

Edited December 5, 2017 by SPuDS

[Atomic]

18 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

http://www.constantinereport.com/a-very-long-list-of-republican-sex-offenders/  Check out the bible thumpers on this list.  I verified the first 5  or 6  and then realized the list is about 10 pages long.

By all means, use this list to insult an entire religion with your "bible thumpers" comment.

[Noeller]

6 minutes ago, Atomic said:

By all means, use this list to insult an entire religion with your "bible thumpers" comment.

Okay!

[The Unknown Poster]

21 minutes ago, SPuDS said:

You don't see this as a reach in regards to having been accused of sexual harassment?   Anyone who's name has been brought up in national media as a person who has sexually harassed someone will carry that stigma.. where is the confusion exactly?

as for the comparison of Bezan saying "not my kind of 3 way.." by having a photo op of 2 different political parties together isn't anything even remotely close to Micheal Jackson and his numerous incidents with children being in his care..

 

The confusion is, you're arguing a point that isnt really apparent.  Its a new twist on the "believe the accused" perspective.  I believe in innocent until proven guilty certainly.  And you know what, when someone slanders you, you can sue them.  But none of these guys do.  You know why?  You can guess...

As I noted previously, these are all incidents with an air of truth to them.  If the first test is common sense, they all surpass it.  We're talking about media that in most cases has vetted the stories.  In fact, when someone tried to set up the Washington Post, they weeded it out. 

When someone makes a random accusation, it's not that everyone runs with it and a person has a stigma.  Rapp made an allegation against Spacey.  Spacey wasn't doomed.  In fact, Spacey didnt really deny it.  And he still wasnt sunk...until more allegations came forward.  

Ill gladly defend the man who has a random, unreasonable, suspicious allegation made.  It hasnt happened yet.  So why worry about it?  All these accusations and truth that is coming out is a GOOD thing.  Its an IMPORTANT thing.  So why are we talking about something that hasnt happened in a way that would deflect the reality of victims coming forward?  Should victims not come forward?

[FrostyWinnipeg]

48 minutes ago, Logan007 said:

Who the hell names a girl Timothy?  I was totally confused with the article at first.

Feel like we should merge this with the who the hell names a girl Michael in Disco thread.

[Wideleft]

31 minutes ago, Atomic said:

By all means, use this list to insult an entire religion with your "bible thumpers" comment.

“I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.” 
― Abraham Lincoln

[SPuDS]

4 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

The confusion is, you're arguing a point that isnt really apparent.  Its a new twist on the "believe the accused" perspective.  I believe in innocent until proven guilty certainly.  And you know what, when someone slanders you, you can sue them.  But none of these guys do.  You know why?  You can guess...

As I noted previously, these are all incidents with an air of truth to them.  If the first test is common sense, they all surpass it.  We're talking about media that in most cases has vetted the stories.  In fact, when someone tried to set up the Washington Post, they weeded it out. 

When someone makes a random accusation, it's not that everyone runs with it and a person has a stigma.  Rapp made an allegation against Spacey.  Spacey wasn't doomed.  In fact, Spacey didnt really deny it.  And he still wasnt sunk...until more allegations came forward.  

Ill gladly defend the man who has a random, unreasonable, suspicious allegation made.  It hasnt happened yet.  So why worry about it?  All these accusations and truth that is coming out is a GOOD thing.  Its an IMPORTANT thing.  So why are we talking about something that hasnt happened in a way that would deflect the reality of victims coming forward?  Should victims not come forward?

you've clearly missed my point.  The guy admitted it was a dumb joke.  apologized. went thru "sensitivity" training and then apologized... again.   thats not the issue.. the issue is what was a joke between 3 people has spiraled into this.   I imagine Bezan doesn't want to go through the even longer hassle of trying to clear his name at this point either.. because, again, it doesn't clear your name.  Once you've been linked to something heinous, you don't just walk away from it.. especially in the age of the internet.  

 

I want people coming forward. I want perverts, pedophiles, predators and rapists to all get dragged thru the mud. arrested and charged.  I want all accusers to not fear being ridiculed and made to felt badly about coming forward...  I also want people to lighten the F up, NOT insinuate sexual abuse or harassment because someone tells a joke they don't like.  as I said, he never once made leering motions, gropey hand gestures or anything untoward.. he made a joke, about conflicting political foes being put together for a photo op.. if a grown-ass woman can't handle a joke, why the hell is she in politics?

[Wideleft]

Republican pastor Mike Hintz , whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican preacher Jimmy Swaggart preached fidelity, but cheated on his wife with a prostitute

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz , whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Republican anti-abortion activist Neal Horsley admitted to having sex with a mule.

I can go on...

[SPuDS]

25 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Republican pastor Mike Hintz , whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican preacher Jimmy Swaggart preached fidelity, but cheated on his wife with a prostitute

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz , whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Republican anti-abortion activist Neal Horsley admitted to having sex with a mule.

I can go on...

the guy's name is Beverly?

 

 

#fakenews

[basslicker]

34 minutes ago, SPuDS said:

you've clearly missed my point.  The guy admitted it was a dumb joke.  apologized. went thru "sensitivity" training and then apologized... again.   thats not the issue.. the issue is what was a joke between 3 people has spiraled into this.   I imagine Bezan doesn't want to go through the even longer hassle of trying to clear his name at this point either.. because, again, it doesn't clear your name.  Once you've been linked to something heinous, you don't just walk away from it.. especially in the age of the internet.  

 

I want people coming forward. I want perverts, pedophiles, predators and rapists to all get dragged thru the mud. arrested and charged.  I want all accusers to not fear being ridiculed and made to felt badly about coming forward...  I also want people to lighten the F up, NOT insinuate sexual abuse or harassment because someone tells a joke they don't like.  as I said, he never once made leering motions, gropey hand gestures or anything untoward.. he made a joke, about conflicting political foes being put together for a photo op.. if a grown-ass woman can't handle a joke, why the hell is she in politics?

Oh she can handle it.  she's just jumping on the bandwagon and using a serious issue to attack a political opponent....its disgusting and so is she.

[basslicker]

34 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Republican pastor Mike Hintz , whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican preacher Jimmy Swaggart preached fidelity, but cheated on his wife with a prostitute

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz , whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Republican anti-abortion activist Neal Horsley admitted to having sex with a mule.

I can go on...

Yeah and I'm sure the list of democrats contains pervs and sickos as well.  And a Christian list (I am a Christian as well, gotta call out all pervs, even those within my faith), a muslim list, a teacher list, a garbage man list, a policeman list, a convenience store clerk list, a lawyer list, an accountant list...................see where I'm going with this?

[SPuDS]

1 minute ago, basslicker said:

Oh she can handle it.  she's just jumping on the bandwagon and using a serious issue to attack a political opponent....its disgusting and so is she.

yea I kinda think that is exactly how she played it out to, to be honest.  Used the moment to make the opposition look bad.

[basslicker]

Just now, SPuDS said:

yea I kinda think that is exactly how she played it out to, to be honest.  Used the moment to make the opposition look bad.

The really sad/disgusting part of this all is that now that the floodgates are open there will be many men who are destroyed who are innocent.   Don't get me wrong, it's great that the cesspool that is Hollywood and Politics are finally being exposed for the rape culture they hide, but on the flip side, we still need due process and evidence.

[Noeller]

26 minutes ago, basslicker said:

The really sad/disgusting part of this all is that now that the floodgates are open there will be many men who are destroyed who are innocent.   Don't get me wrong, it's great that the cesspool that is Hollywood and Politics are finally being exposed for the rape culture they hide, but on the flip side, we still need due process and evidence.

The REALLY sad/disgusting part of all this, is the number of women who have been raped and or assaulted......that's the sad/disgusting part. Don't get me wrong, it's sad that maybe there's some guys not as guilty as others, but on the flip side, there's still guys not getting noticed for the egregious things they're doing. 

Society makes me sad. 

Edited December 5, 2017 by Noeller

[SPuDS]

5 minutes ago, Noeller said:

The REALLY sad/disgusting part of all this, is the number of women who have been raped and or assaulted......that's the sad/disgusting part. Don't get me wrong, it's sad that maybe there's some guys not as guilty as others, but on the flip side, there's still guys not getting noticed for the egregious things they're doing. 

Society makes me sad. 

as loathe as I am to say it, we are still trying to break generations of a mentality that women are meat and men are god.  old habits die hard.  its not a defense, its not an excuse.. its the why (imo) and even though people know better and people realize what a foolish notion it was many years ago, old men don't change their stripes.  women are meat, underlings are meat.   equality has come a long way but it has so much further to go.    I am happy to see it happening, I'm sad to see how common place it has been for so long.  I'm happy to see justice being served even if its just a dismissal or a firing.  I'm sad to see how many cases of this will never see the light of day because they are not as "important" as these political and hollywood/media hyped ones.   we've come a long way but there is still a long long ways to go.  

[Wideleft]

6 hours ago, basslicker said:

Yeah and I'm sure the list of democrats contains pervs and sickos as well.  And a Christian list (I am a Christian as well, gotta call out all pervs, even those within my faith), a muslim list, a teacher list, a garbage man list, a policeman list, a convenience store clerk list, a lawyer list, an accountant list...................see where I'm going with this?

The difference is that republicans and conservatives are the politicians who tend to use their supposed faith in God to get votes.   Perhaps you missed the blatant hypocrisy that the list illustrates.

[SpeedFlex27]

6 hours ago, basslicker said:

Oh she can handle it.  she's just jumping on the bandwagon and using a serious issue to attack a political opponent....its disgusting and so is she.

That's the way it looks to me as well.