Happy Feet

[Floyd]

Question for the football brains on here...

Once a QB gets happy feet, can he right the ship?  I'm trying to think of an example of a QB that came back from that...?

[GCn20]

It's tough. I can't think of anyone either.

[Booch]

IT'S TOUGH....Especially if they don't change teams/environments...will see with Collaros as he has it now....that or he's became gunshy/timid..

We used to exploit certain QB's by just yelling when getting close...or seeming like we were close...they'd do the Kevi Glenn turtle or just duck and chuck out of bounds or into covergae

Edited January 3, 2018 by Booch

[Mark F]

 Sam Bradford?

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 hours ago, Floyd said:

Question for the football brains on here...

Once a QB gets happy feet, can he right the ship?  I'm trying to think of an example of a QB that came back from that...?

Calvillo?  He looked finished in 2006.

[Floyd]

9 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Calvillo?  He looked finished in 2006.

I was thinking of him...  but I'm not sure he really had happy feet...  just Bellefuile...

[Arnold_Palmer]

33 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Calvillo?  He looked finished in 2006.

His wife had cancer, he never looked awful with happy feet, and his numbers still weren't that bad. Happy feet is all mental which in turns hurts mechanics, which then hurts timing and positioning.. it's a domino effect and it's pretty much an issue that can't be fix. Look at Drew Willy in the first half of 2014 compared to the 16,17 season and its day and night difference. I'm under the assumption that it's nearly impossible to fix. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

His wife had cancer, he never looked awful with happy feet, and his numbers still weren't that bad. Happy feet is all mental which in turns hurts mechanics, which then hurts timing and positioning.. it's a domino effect and it's pretty much an issue that can't be fix. Look at Drew Willy in the first half of 2014 compared to the 16,17 season and its day and night difference. I'm under the assumption that it's nearly impossible to fix. 

That was 2007.  He had games with double digit sacks in 06 and was awful in general.

Edited January 4, 2018 by JuranBoldenRules

[Arnold_Palmer]

34 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

That was 2007.  He had games with double digit sacks in 06 and was awful in general.

Still had almost 5000 passing yards, completed 63 percent of his passes with 20 TD's.. a down year for him sure but not awful. 

[SpeedFlex27]

Matt Nichols suffered two horrific injuries back to back as an Eskimo yet he has come back better than ever. That takes guts & courage. Another warrior is Mike Reilly who has also battled some serious injuries yet plays hard & has been fearless.  Drew Willy & Zach Collaros could never do that.

Edited January 4, 2018 by SpeedFlex27

[Doublezero]

12 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Matt Nichols suffered two horrific injuries back to back as an Eskimo yet he has come back better than ever. That takes guts & courage. Another warrior is Mike Reilly who has also battled some serious injuries yet plays hard & has been fearless.  Drew Willy & Zach Collaros could never do that.

Collaros generally gets rid of the ball pretty quickly, as opposed to Willy who never did. Willy did stand in there and take the hits though, which Collaros does not like to do.

[SpeedFlex27]

17 minutes ago, Doublezero said:

Collaros generally gets rid of the ball pretty quickly, as opposed to Willy who never did. Willy did stand in there and take the hits though, which Collaros does not like to do.

Willy did take the hits & it took a toll. But Willy played with 2 other CFL teams after Winnipeg & he never played well. I don't even know if Drew will be back with the Als next season. It'll be interesting to see what Zach does in Saskatchewan. 

[wbbfan]

On 1/3/2018 at 2:12 PM, Floyd said:

Question for the football brains on here...

Once a QB gets happy feet, can he right the ship?  I'm trying to think of an example of a QB that came back from that...?

Happy feet can refer to a few things. Some qbs, younger and less experienced guys just need more coaching and training with their foot work. Its also some thing qbs go through some times when going from shotgun to under centre systems and vice versa. Field type can do it too. Going from natural grass to turf or worse the old astro turf can make it really hard on some guys. 

The foot steps syndrome is some thing else. Thats a mental issue, which is much harder to fix. Some times and in some guys it cant be fixed. What can and cant be fixed is also heavily case sensitive. Some guys naturally are resistant to being taught, others struggle with learning mental/physical aspects, and some are just too used to doing it a certain way. 

If a guy has had good mechanics in his footwork, and been mentally sound in the pocket, isnt un coachable in general and still not too seasoned you may be able to fix shell shock. A gritty  qb whose spent a lot of time with bad OLs may seem a bit un settled in the pocket if he suddenly has a good OL. But a good qb will be able to settle down.

Qbs face tons of pressure, both inside and out side them self. 2/3 minute drills, late close games, over time, rivalry games etc. Any qb who makes it to the pro level has at some point shown an ability to recover from hard ship and settle down. 

Imo, if you have or end up with a qb like this (willy/collaros etc) the only way to know is to put them behind a good line and see if they can settle back down. You will obviously have a better idea case by case the more you know about a specific qb. In general I fully believe its possible. That said, if you do not have a much better OL to protect that battered QB, I dont think putting them behind a bad ol has any chance at all of fixing things.  I consider shell shock like a concussion. Its cumulative, and you have to be real careful in bring em back.  

Many athletes have found huge success at the highest levels only to fall apart mentally long before their physical peak and finish their career much earlier then they would have other wise. Its why sports psychology is a billion dollar industry.

  

On 1/4/2018 at 1:47 AM, SpeedFlex27 said:

Matt Nichols suffered two horrific injuries back to back as an Eskimo yet he has come back better than ever. That takes guts & courage. Another warrior is Mike Reilly who has also battled some serious injuries yet plays hard & has been fearless.  Drew Willy & Zach Collaros could never do that.

This is a good point. When nichols has struggled, especially earlier in his career and in college his throwing motion would lengthen and he'd wind up. When hes relaxed and at his best he just slings it. 

Dunigan is a guy who over came shellshock imo. Though hes the tough SoaB type so its not surprising. 

[GCn20]

I wouldn't say that Nichols, or Calvillo ever had happy feet. They took a crap load of sacks but never panicked in the pocket.