Jimmy Pop Posted February 7, 2019 Report Posted February 7, 2019 Best bobblehead night in the history of bobbleheads.... ...and who stole my jesus fish?! blue_gold_84, GCJenks, Noeller and 1 other 2 2
Jimmy Pop Posted February 7, 2019 Report Posted February 7, 2019 From Murat's piece in The Athletic today...relating what Matthews contract may mean for the Jets.... Bang on. Quote In short: any five-year deal for Laine or Connor should come in well below $11.6 million AAV. This is not shocking in the slightest. Instead, my biggest takeaway here is to forget what 2019 has told you so far: Laine has separated himself from Connor in career point production. In fact, Laine could score zero points through the rest of this season and still finish it with a higher career point-per-game rate than Connor has today. Despite my focus on offence, I’m not arguing that point production is everything. I am arguing that, despite present day perception, Connor has yet to reach Laine’s tier and, with just over a year between them in age, there is no reason to expect that to change over the course of each player’s second contract. Patrik Laine: 20 years old, 169 points, 208 GP 1.20 goals per 60 minutes 5-on-5 1.66 primary points per 60 minutes 5-on-5 3.07 goals per 60 minutes 5-on-4 3.86 primary points per 60 minutes 5-on-4 Season splits: 36-28-64 in 74 GP 44-26-70 in 82 GP 25-10-35 in 53 GP Kyle Connor: 22 years old, 104 points in 149 GP 0.89 goals per 60 minutes 5-on-5 1.43 primary points per 60 minutes 5-on-5 2.03 goals per 60 minutes 5-on-4 2.47 primary points per 60 minutes 5-on-4 Third pairing PK time Season splits: 2 seasons. 149 total GP 2-3-5 in 20 GP 31-26-57 in 76 GP 22-20-42 in 53 GP
Floyd Posted February 7, 2019 Report Posted February 7, 2019 Strange comparison - Connor was eased in and is not a power play trigger man the goals 5v5 are pretty comparable - but it’s good Chevy can use this in negotiations $8.5 for Laine and $6.5 for Connor? Five years?
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 7, 2019 Report Posted February 7, 2019 37 minutes ago, Floyd said: Strange comparison - Connor was eased in and is not a power play trigger man the goals 5v5 are pretty comparable - but it’s good Chevy can use this in negotiations $8.5 for Laine and $6.5 for Connor? Five years? You're only as good as your last season right?
Noeller Posted February 8, 2019 Report Posted February 8, 2019 Horse ****. Connor is more important and should be paid more. Floyd and FrostyWinnipeg 2
Floyd Posted February 8, 2019 Report Posted February 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Noeller said: Horse ****. Connor is more important and should be paid more. I totally agree... but I'm hoping for Scheif contract type of miracle... Noeller 1
Noeller Posted February 8, 2019 Report Posted February 8, 2019 I will admit that I was impressed by Laine in the Habs game last night with some of the things he was doing without the puck. There was one back-check on Armia that probably prevented a goal and showed a lot of heart/effort. Also read a quote from Wheeler that talked about how it's really not a big deal, and even with a season as bad as he's having, he'll probably still end up with 40 goals..... Still, I maintain that Connor is the more important player for the Jets... Floyd 1
JCon Posted February 8, 2019 Report Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Noeller said: I will admit that I was impressed by Laine in the Habs game last night with some of the things he was doing without the puck. There was one back-check on Armia that probably prevented a goal and showed a lot of heart/effort. Also read a quote from Wheeler that talked about how it's really not a big deal, and even with a season as bad as he's having, he'll probably still end up with 40 goals..... Still, I maintain that Connor is the more important player for the Jets... I'm not sure I agree with you, I'm still undecided but I will say this.... You can fill a team full of Connors and win but I'm not sure you can do the same with Laines. Someone needs to drive the play. Edited February 8, 2019 by JCon Noeller 1
Floyd Posted February 8, 2019 Report Posted February 8, 2019 2 hours ago, JCon said: I'm not sure I agree with you, I'm still undecided but I will say this.... You can fill a team full of Connors and win but I'm not sure you can do the same with Laines. Someone needs to drive the play. I'd love to see Laine drive the play again... kelownabomberfan and JCon 2
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 8, 2019 Report Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, JCon said: I'm not sure I agree with you, I'm still undecided but I will say this.... You can fill a team full of Connors and win but I'm not sure you can do the same with Laines. Someone needs to drive the play. Connor drives faster.
Jimmy Pop Posted February 9, 2019 Report Posted February 9, 2019 On 2019-02-07 at 8:40 PM, Noeller said: Horse ****. Connor is more important and should be paid more. It’s a bad opinion, but you’re welcome to it. *shrugs* Goalie 1
Jimmy Pop Posted February 9, 2019 Report Posted February 9, 2019 On 2019-02-08 at 8:40 AM, JCon said: I'm not sure I agree with you, I'm still undecided but I will say this.... You can fill a team full of Connors and win but I'm not sure you can do the same with Laines. Someone needs to drive the play. Good thing it’s a team sport then? we’d be better with 2 Buff’s, 3 Helle’s and a partridge in a pear tree, but I’m not sure what relevance that has. Laine’s a generational talent. Connor’s a very good/maybe great prospect who happens to play the right way - for which, I’m thrilled. Really. but the way people are bailing on a 20 yr old superstar is more embarrassing than the team’s effort lately. That said.. we’re bejng exposed the last few games. Everyone needs to be better bb1 and Goalie 2
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 9, 2019 Report Posted February 9, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jimmy Pop said: Good thing it’s a team sport then? we’d be better with 2 Buff’s, 3 Helle’s and a partridge in a pear tree, but I’m not sure what relevance that has. Laine’s a generational talent. Connor’s a very good/maybe great prospect who happens to play the right way - for which, I’m thrilled. Really. but the way people are bailing on a 20 yr old superstar is more embarrassing than the team’s effort lately. That said.. we’re bejng exposed the last few games. Everyone needs to be better We'll be better after the trade.
Noeller Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 McDavid is a generational talent. Laine is, at best, a generational shot. But the shot is all he has, and without it, I'm not sure he's an NHL player... Brandon 1
Goalie Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 48 minutes ago, Noeller said: McDavid is a generational talent. Laine is, at best, a generational shot. But the shot is all he has, and without it, I'm not sure he's an NHL player... WTF? Seriously just concentrate on the Oilers cuz u have seriously very little clue about the Jets at all. Brandon 1
iHeart Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) and... Carlyle's out Edited February 10, 2019 by iHeart
Floyd Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 I can't believe they let Carlyle hang in there that long - he had clearly lost the room... Fowler, Kesler, Perry and Getzlaf contracts are going to keep that team crippled for a while Wonder if Jets could pry Montour or even Lindholm out of there... kelownabomberfan 1
HardCoreBlue Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Floyd said: I can't believe they let Carlyle hang in there that long - he had clearly lost the room... Fowler, Kesler, Perry and Getzlaf contracts are going to keep that team crippled for a while Wonder if Jets could pry Montour or even Lindholm out of there... Or maybe they have the Oilers issue with talent and effort. As Hitchcock put it, the coaches can't want it more than the players. I'd love to see Carlyle here as an addition to our coaching staff. Edited February 10, 2019 by HardCoreBlue Big homer for Carlyle
Floyd Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, HardCoreBlue said: Or maybe they have the Oilers issue with talent and effort. As Hitchcock put it, the coaches can't want it more than the players. Thats kind of the definition of losing the room though...
HardCoreBlue Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Floyd said: Thats kind of the definition of losing the room though... Right but using the Oilers as an example, no matter who you have coaching the team, something is amiss with the team DNA. When saying losing the room, that implies a coaching issue and sometimes (not all) that can be misleading. It's probably a case you can't fire the team so get rid of the coach.
iHeart Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, Floyd said: I can't believe they let Carlyle hang in there that long - he had clearly lost the room... Fowler, Kesler, Perry and Getzlaf contracts are going to keep that team crippled for a while Wonder if Jets could pry Montour or even Lindholm out of there... I can't believe they didn't fire Carlyle a week ago
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Floyd said: I can't believe they let Carlyle hang in there that long - he had clearly lost the room... Fowler, Kesler, Perry and Getzlaf contracts are going to keep that team crippled for a while Wonder if Jets could pry Montour or even Lindholm out of there... Montour would be nice.
FrostyWinnipeg Posted February 10, 2019 Report Posted February 10, 2019 4 hours ago, iHeart said: and... Carlyle's out GM with no coaching experience.
JCon Posted February 11, 2019 Report Posted February 11, 2019 15 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: GM with no coaching experience. Kind of makes sense, if he wants a close look at the talent. Eakins will be promoted next year. Floyd and HardCoreBlue 1 1
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