Goalie Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) Here's a topic. Our O appears to be loaded with talent.. One of if not the best RB and OL in the league.. Adams. Demski. Dressler when healthy.. Thompkins looks legit. Lots of talent there... We are 5 and 4.. And in all 9 of those games.. Our QBs have thrown for under 300 yards.. If you combine Streveler and Bennett in the blowout Montreal win.. Once in 9 games. Yes Harris has been beast mode but to not pass for 300 in lets just say 8 of 9 games is assinine and a problem. Is it Nichols? Is it Lapo? Its gotta be 1 or the other.. Or is it both? So many 2 and outs the last several games... Is it square pegs in round holes or is Nichols the actual problem? 1 dimensional.. Doesn't run.. Likely a fear of being injured. Lapo? Pretty predictable at times.. Pretty dumb at others not using Beast Mode 33 more. Edited August 18, 2018 by Goalie
Mr. Perfect Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 Absolutely both. To keep this post short as I've made my points about both, Nichols is average at best, and Lapo can't adjust when things go wrong or a key player gets injured, among other things. wbbfan and rebusrankin 1 1
AKAChip Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 It also doesn't help when you slot in a guy like Ryan Lankford when injuries happen. How many chances does this bum get? When someone gets hurt on Calgary, they put in Begelton. With Edmonton, it's Bryant Mitchell. That is embarrassing roster building. Floyd and Blueandgold 2
Goalie Posted August 18, 2018 Author Report Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, AKAChip said: It also doesn't help when you slot in a guy like Ryan Lankford when injuries happen. How many chances does this bum get? When someone gets hurt on Calgary, they put in Begelton. With Edmonton, it's Bryant Mitchell. That is embarrassing roster building. In reality lankford is the equivalent to our 8th D man in hockey.. Hes the depths backup.. That depth tho.. Thompkins happens to be starting now and looking legit. Lankford isn't good but hes not a guy who is gonna really make a difference one way or the other. I noticed petermann and simonise on the field a bit tonight.. Tells me Lankford likely wasn't. Edited August 18, 2018 by Goalie
AKAChip Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 Just now, Goalie said: In reality lankford is the equivalent to our 8th D man in hockey.. Hes the depths backup.. That depth tho.. Thompkins happens to be starting now and looking legit. Lankford isn't good but hes not a guy who is gonna really make a difference one way or the other. I would disagree with this. With Thompkins in the lineup now, he's clearly the first backup since Dressler is our only starter out. And Dressler gets a ton of balls and plays designed for him so anyone in that spot is going to make a fairly large difference. The guy had more drops today than catches and was awful on a number of kick returns. He's bad, was bad today and absolutely makes a difference when he's on the field. Which should be never since there's no logical reason why he is the first man up after one injury.
M.Silverback Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 Legitimate points and concerns. But, we’re still averaging 32 points a game with mediocre QB play. And 5 - 4 is not terrible considering we had a raw rookie start the season for us at QB. I think we are who we thought we would be - average, playoff team, but not a cup contender. Question is, will that be good enough to save some jobs next season? blitzmore 1
Goalie Posted August 18, 2018 Author Report Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, M.Silverback said: Legitimate points and concerns. But, we’re still averaging 32 points a game with mediocre QB play. And 5 - 4 is not terrible considering we had a raw rookie start the season for us at QB. I think we are who we thought we would be - average, playoff team, but not a cup contender. Question is, will that be good enough to save some jobs next season? We put up big points vs Montreal with the rookie QBs tho.. Highest point total of the year so far which likely inflates that 32 points a wee bit. I just did quick math.. Since Nichols has been back.. 6 games.. 150 points scored.. 25 points a game average. . And that's not taking in to account FGs and Fumbles and special teams so yeah.. Our O hasnt been good Edited August 18, 2018 by Goalie
Brandon Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 It's Nichols... He missed guys who were open. Also the drop from Lankford was killer.
JuranBoldenRules Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 Lapo gets in a funk when he doesn’t have confidence in his players and he runs a passing game that’s all 5 yard hitched and screens to Harris. His playcalling this season demonstrates no confidence in Nichols. Lapo gave an interesting interview after practice to Bob Irving that they played on the pre-game where he basically said if he doesn’t call the deep shots Nichols won’t take them, and that’s why they are forcing them lately because they are becoming too easy to defend. Just be thankful we have Harris because if we didn’t this team wouldn’t be able to score. TheSource and Floyd 1 1
JuranBoldenRules Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Goalie said: In reality lankford is the equivalent to our 8th D man in hockey.. Hes the depths backup.. That depth tho.. Thompkins happens to be starting now and looking legit. Lankford isn't good but hes not a guy who is gonna really make a difference one way or the other. I noticed petermann and simonise on the field a bit tonight.. Tells me Lankford likely wasn't. If you watch that game last night and think Lankford didn’t make a difference I don’t know what to tell you. His terrible kickoff returns made a huge difference on field position. 2 terrible drops. Big difference. Football isn’t hockey. Everyone has to do their job and if someone is playing almost every snap it’s nothing like a defenseman sitting on the bench for 45 minutes and taking matchups against the opponents worst players. bearpants and rebusrankin 1 1
Floyd Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 Lapo has great games and stinkers... every OC does. I think its very clear that Nichols is playing injured... Streveler needed to be in for the 4th quarter Augustine, Flanders, Peterman and LaFrance are all better options than Lankford These are the weaknesses - sticking with the wrong guys too long, not changing things up when they're not working... Still, most of this comes down on Nichols right now
Blueandgold Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 We’ve also gone away from the two running back set that’s brought us so much success. I’ve been told here that Demski fills Flanders role and more, but I’d disagree on that. We need to get Harris and Flanders back in the backfield together, with a guy like Demski running the sweeps. We may not be able to throw the ball, but let’s take some heat off of Harris and use our fantastic two back set to run the ball. Floyd, Dr Zaius and Mark F 3
Bubba Zanetti Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 Lapo gets a ton of credit from all over the league. Not sure where it stems from....
Old Bomber Fan Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 Said this several years ago, LaPo is not a great coordinator. He cannot or at least doesn't seem to adjust as the game goes on and certainly not at half time. He has had the luxury of having Harris in the second half of most games and as was mentioned last night, they appear to be a front running team or at least one that can play when they are close at the half. If they are behind any amount his running game goes down the tubes and he doesn't have a QB who can throw like Harris and for that matte the QB doesn't have the game plan that Ottawa did. In a nutshell we got out coached in all phases of our game. Our defense was terrible and Fogg had probably the worst game of his career. Saylers (not sure how to spell it) did not play well either. The game plan was terrible. Our offense ditto the defense, not prepared and far to heavily weighted on Harris. Our HC, wrong personnel decision: Langford, get rid of him you have at least three others either on the PR or on the sideline that can play better than him. His kick off returns east west instead of north south. Flanders far superior to him in every regard regardless of position. Challenging a play in the first quarter just another dumb coaching move. Too early in the game. The reality is we are a talented team with mediocre stubborn coaching. Tracker, ddanger, Starman115 and 2 others 4 1
Brandon Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 It wasn't Lapo.... The receivers were open .. Nichols just didn't see them. Nolby 1
Mr Dee Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Old Bomber Fan said: In a nutshell we got out coached in all phases of our game. I wouldn’t agree on special teams, but Ottawa clearly had the better game plan and executed at a higher level. Our offence was stagnant and I saw no effort to take the pressure off A. Harris when clearly Ottawa had a plan to undermine his running. Harris is dynamite, but when you know it’s coming.. Fatty Liver 1
blueingreenland Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 A lot of guys on here don't understand how plays are called. You may have a primary receiver, but lots of options. Lapo doesn't just call "5 yard plays" all game. The 5 yard out is usually the 3rd or 4th option or the running back option. A lot of that is on the QB getting the time to read options (which Nichols usually gets) and then going through the proper progression. Also, the QB and receiver have to see the same thing and adjust. I know this is obvious to the knowledgeable football fan, but it is not all on the O coordinator Goalie and blitzmore 2
Goalie Posted August 18, 2018 Author Report Posted August 18, 2018 Ill say this.. Its not happening anytime in the near future but when MOS moves on... I hope to god we don't recycle some guy who has had chances and failed as a coach. Thats Lapo.
TheSource Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 11 hours ago, Goalie said: Here's a topic. Our O appears to be loaded with talent.. One of if not the best RB and OL in the league.. Adams. Demski. Dressler when healthy.. Thompkins looks legit. Lots of talent there... We are 5 and 4.. And in all 9 of those games.. Our QBs have thrown for under 300 yards.. If you combine Streveler and Bennett in the blowout Montreal win.. Once in 9 games. Yes Harris has been beast mode but to not pass for 300 in lets just say 8 of 9 games is assinine and a problem. Is it Nichols? Is it Lapo? Its gotta be 1 or the other.. Or is it both? So many 2 and outs the last several games... Is it square pegs in round holes or is Nichols the actual problem? 1 dimensional.. Doesn't run.. Likely a fear of being injured. Lapo? Pretty predictable at times.. Pretty dumb at others not using Beast Mode 33 more. There is an assumption here that is incorrect, and that is the one that states "the O appears to be loaded with talent". The fact is that the Bombers have 4 Canadian receivers in Desmski, Wolitarsky, Simonise, and Peterman who are all good but essentially playing the same role. They go out to catch 3 yard curls and then try to break tackles for 3 more yards. They are not guys who can get separation or run 40 yard game breaking plays. You can also add Dressler into that same type of role as an import as well - just substitute the 3 yard curl with the jet sweep. There is a big gap in the Bomber offensive strategy in that they have good talent, but not the right talent to make it hard on opposing defenses. In a nutshell, that is the system Bombers are employing, and they have gone out like the dumbasses they are and recruited just Canadian receivers so they are now locked into this strategy long term. Every team in the league is now figuring out how to stop it by keeping everybody short and playing man on Adams with safety help, or not even bothering, and just letting him go because Bombers seldom go deep, and when they do Nichols botches the throw at least half the time. There are some losing times coming ahead for this club because it will not be easy to move away from Lapo's strategies now that the team is mortgaged so heavily by their silly recruiting practices.
Goalie Posted August 18, 2018 Author Report Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, TheSource said: There is an assumption here that is incorrect, and that is the one that states "the O appears to be loaded with talent". The fact is that the Bombers have 4 Canadian receivers in Desmski, Wolitarsky, Simonise, and Peterman who are all good but essentially playing the same role. They go out to catch 3 yard curls and then try to break tackles for 3 more yards. They are not guys who can get separation or run 40 yard game breaking plays. You can also add Dressler into that same type of role as an import as well - just substitute the 3 yard curl with the jet sweep. There is a big gap in the Bomber offensive strategy in that they have good talent, but not the right talent to make it hard on opposing defenses. In a nutshell, that is the system Bombers are employing, and they have gone out like the dumbasses they are and recruited just Canadian receivers so they are now locked into this strategy long term. Every team in the league is now figuring out how to stop it by keeping everybody short and playing man on Adams with safety help, or not even bothering, and just letting him go because Bombers seldom go deep, and when they do Nichols botches the throw at least half the time. There are some losing times coming ahead for this club because it will not be easy to move away from Lapo's strategies now that the team is mortgaged so heavily by their silly recruiting practices. Yes. The experts are wrong and you are right. Bombers ARE loaded with O talent. Its just that our OC has no answer when our main one, 33, gets nothing. Our O is pretty 1 dimensional and predictable. You can accept it or not. Its the truth. You take out Harris and we suck... The talent is certainly there tho.
NorthernSkunk Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Goalie said: Yes. The experts are wrong and you are right. Bombers ARE loaded with O talent. Its just that our OC has no answer when our main one, 33, gets nothing. Our O is pretty 1 dimensional and predictable. You can accept it or not. Its the truth. You take out Harris and we suck... The talent is certainly there tho. If we have to rely solely on Harris he won't be in good enough shape for the playoffs again.
Stickem Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 Sad to say and I'll reiterate that what has already been said here...'we are NOT a Cup contender'...After all of these years since O'Shea was hired this team is an under performer...There's talent on this team.....lot's of it..BUT it is not being deployed effectively...that's on coaching....To think we're substandard in a 9 team league, after 5 years of this current coach, is abysmal at best...It looks like we're headed for another disappointing year after playing a club that we thought we were on par with, kick our butts...Not good enough Mike O'Shea Tracker 1
TheSource Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, Goalie said: Yes. The experts are wrong and you are right. Bombers ARE loaded with O talent. Its just that our OC has no answer when our main one, 33, gets nothing. Our O is pretty 1 dimensional and predictable. You can accept it or not. Its the truth. You take out Harris and we suck... The talent is certainly there tho. Yes. There is talent there, but it is the wrong combination of talent to win consistently. It's like a hockey team that only drafts excellent defensemen and then puts them out of position at winger, center, and even in goal. According to you, this is great because "the talent is certainly there tho". To me, not only do you need excellent talent, you need it at the right positions to be successful, and that is what the Bombers do not have. They do not have the right mix of talented players to be successful. blue_gold_84 1
17to85 Posted August 19, 2018 Report Posted August 19, 2018 when lapo is good he's very good, when he's bad he's really a dumb ass. rebusrankin 1
JuranBoldenRules Posted August 19, 2018 Report Posted August 19, 2018 On 2018-08-18 at 9:13 AM, Blueandgold said: We’ve also gone away from the two running back set that’s brought us so much success. I’ve been told here that Demski fills Flanders role and more, but I’d disagree on that. We need to get Harris and Flanders back in the backfield together, with a guy like Demski running the sweeps. We may not be able to throw the ball, but let’s take some heat off of Harris and use our fantastic two back set to run the ball. Regardless of who is in that role it hasn't been used for several weeks. It's not that Demski isn't getting yards, he's not getting the ball in any fashion. Why wouldn't it be better to have Demski and Flanders on the roster? Because then we'll have too many good players they have to worry about defending?
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