Matt Nichols -BOO!!!!!!!

[ddanger]

46 minutes ago, Doublezero said:

I said this on the other forum, seems apprporiate to say it here: MOS has made lots of mistakes and his seeming arrogance and stubbornness could well cost him his job here. But what we mainly have had this season is a problem with underproduction at the QB position. For several years the problem was on defence - giving up too many yards, points and explosion plays. That meant the O had to score a gazillion points for the Bombers to win because the D surrendered so many to the opponent. Now that the D has tightened up a bit but the O can't produce. Obviously there is a problem with Nichols (he is likely done) but I think they also need to take a look at how that QB situation was managed. That means taking a look at Lapo and - sorry to say it but - QB coach Buck Pierce.

Totally agree with this. Whether Nicholls is injured or not, there's something mentally wrong as well. He's simply not the same. The coaches must know and recognize this, and yet on we go. Managing this situation has been very poor. And not at least planning as a contingency for 17 to come in, and having a package ready for him, seems incredibly mismanaged.

[TBURGESS]

27 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

That’s such a load of bullshit.  

Nope. It's facts.

[Super Duper Negatron]

2 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Nope. It's facts.

The problem with your facts is that our best players on offense are largely non imports. If Walters had recruited better imports on O I could maybe see your point, but I think most people here would rather see wolitarsky than Washington.

[Super Duper Negatron]

After thinking about it some more, you can't blame that game on anyone but Nichols. As awful as Lapo's game plan was, you had a QB throw essentially 5 awful interceptions, two in the red zone that amount to a 20 point swing at a minimum, possibly even 28.

Nichols singlehandedly lost that game.

[TBURGESS]

21 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

The problem with your facts is that our best players on offense are largely non imports. If Walters had recruited better imports on O I could maybe see your point, but I think most people here would rather see wolitarsky than Washington.

Wolo's been pretty good so far, but he's no deep threat and Walters certainly needs to do better bringing in import receivers. That doesn't change the fact that we'd likely be a better offense if we had more Imports on it and we'd likely be a worse defense if we had more non-imports on it.

[pigseye]

Time to move on from Medlock too, he isn't worth a DI spot imo. 

[Guest J5V]

9 minutes ago, pigseye said:

Time to move on from Medlock too, he isn't worth a DI spot imo. 

He's there for 61 yard FG attempts.

[do or die]

We could also use a change at S.

[DR. CFL]

Replacing coaches and players only works when you have better people to take their places.

[do or die]

Buzz is getting on my nerves, as well....

[rebusrankin]

In the past five games our offense has scored 117 points or 23.4 a game. I think we need to move past this highest scoring offense argument. We've been struggling now for awhile on offense.

[DR. CFL]

4 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

In the past five games our offense has scored 117 points or 23.4 a game. I think we need to move past this highest scoring offense argument. We've been struggling now for awhile on offense.

Combined with an average of 10 points in the 2nd half of the last 4 games.

[Guest J5V]

1 hour ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

After thinking about it some more, you can't blame that game on anyone but Nichols. As awful as Lapo's game plan was, you had a QB throw essentially 5 awful interceptions, two in the red zone that amount to a 20 point swing at a minimum, possibly even 28.

Nichols singlehandedly lost that game.

It was 23 points. Five interceptions resulting in two touchdowns and two field goals (according to the Bomber site). What is most concerning is that we are losing to teams that aren't very good. Sask sucks and Ottawa isn't much better. This team has been mismanaged with great skill.

Edited September 9, 2018 by J5V

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

Nope. It's facts.

So the offense would be better if Harris and Demski were replaced by imports, just because they are imports?

That's a fact?  

Are you actually serious?

The imports are the ones underperforming on offense.

[Guest J5V]

Did Mike O'Shea really say

"Hey Matt, be ready cos you may be going right back in."?

Can you imagine the reaction in the stadium if O'Shea had sent him back out there? Wow! This guy lives in a different reality from me, that's for sure.

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

Wolo's been pretty good so far, but he's no deep threat and Walters certainly needs to do better bringing in import receivers. That doesn't change the fact that we'd likely be a better offense if we had more Imports on it and we'd likely be a worse defense if we had more non-imports on it.

That's not a fact.  That's an assumption.  

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, pigseye said:

Time to move on from Medlock too, he isn't worth a DI spot imo. 

That's hogwash.  To have one guy as good at both placekicking and punting is extremely rare.  There are better punters, but they don't placekick.  There are a couple placekickers in his realm but they don't punt.  He's definitely worth one of four DI spots considering most teams are using 2 roster spots and more cap space on kickers, at least the teams with good kickers.

[Stickem]

There has been many questions about how O'Shea manages the players but none are answered....Usually we get the quick brush off or no answer at all...Mismanagement is very obvious....you just have to look at how the qbs. are handled...Obvious holes in our line-up are not being addressed...(returner for one) and it's costing this team...It's down to O'Shea AND Walters to fix something over this bye week....it's their job....and it could literally mean their jobs if it isn't...Get a big receiver in here who can catch...not these spindly types like Thompkins and Washington...both of whom were nic'd badly when they tried to extend themselves...Washington hit the turf without really getting hit at all on one play and barely got up....IS this the best we can do???pitiful if it is O'Shea...Four game losses in a row better get someone's attention

Edited September 9, 2018 by Stickem

[Guest J5V]

When asked if Matt Nichols was going to start the next game Mike O'Shea responded that he needs to take a deep breath and let the emotions subside before making any rash decisions.

Then he was asked how he felt about a few of his players saying it's good that it's a bye week. His response was that it depends, sometime you wish you could get right back on the field right now.

So, do you want to take a deep breath and let the emotions subside or do you want to get right back on the field?

No clue.

[TBURGESS]

24 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

So the offense would be better if Harris and Demski were replaced by imports, just because they are imports?

That's a fact?  

Are you actually serious?

The imports are the ones underperforming on offense.

It's not about Harris. He's one of the best RB's in the league regardless of passport. It's about Peterman, Wolo, Simonize or ex-NFLers or ex-NCAA stars. An import over Demski may be an upgrade on offense, pretty certain an import returner would be an upgrade over Demski. It would be better if we had an import OT last game so we could put Neuf in a spot he can actually play well. It would be better if we had a couple of decent import receivers. It would be better if Bowman, an import, lived up to his billing. It would be better if our scouts did a better job bringing imports in.

PLAP takes a ton of crap for using the short game so much, but he only has one (import) deep threat, a QB who isn't accurate on the deep throw, and a suspect OL. Harris, our best player on offense and great at making guys miss, gets the ball a ton. His catches are mostly going to be the short ball. PLAP is trying to put the players he has in the best spot to succeed. Give him better players and he likely changes some of what he does. (Queue 17's PLAP's gonna PLAP).

[trueBlue83]

47 minutes ago, J5V said:

Did Mike O'Shea really say

"Hey Matt, be ready cos you may be going right back in."?

Can you imagine the reaction in the stadium if O'Shea had sent him back out there? Wow! This guy lives in a different reality from me, that's for sure.

it would have been a gong show..... I re-watched the game this morning, and as brutal of mistakes as Nichols made, he really wasn't having that bad of a game until his complete melt down.  If he throws away that first pick to Jefferson, they kick a FG and it's 13-0 rather than 10-7.  The underhand debacle, take the sack and go to second down.  Maybe we get a TD, very least, come away with 3 more.   Those 2 complete brain farts totally changed the game.  These are mistakes that he prided himself on not making last season, and where everyone said he does a very good job protecting the ball.

You obviously can't overlook those terrible plays... but if he just eats those instead of throwing them away, he's actually not having that bad of a game.  He was finally hitting some intermediate routes, and the other INT he did throw, was deep downfield. He was technically actually on pace for his first 300 yard passing game of the year.  You can live with a deep INT once in a while, because it can be argued it's somewhat equal to a punt.  When he's throwing INTs on 3 yard dump passes though, those are just inexcusable.

He needs to sit out against Montreal and watch a whole game from the sidelines... the emotions will be running too high at IGF next game.  Nichols will probably start again, but I feel it needs to be on the road against Edmonton.  He always seems to get up for games against his former team, so this cooling off period could be a good thing to him.   He's very much lost out there.

Edited September 9, 2018 by trueBlue83

[Guest J5V]

5 minutes ago, trueBlue83 said:

He needs to sit out against Montreal and watch a whole game from the sidelines... the emotions will be running too high at IGF next game.  Nichols will probably start again, but I feel it needs to be on the road against Edmonton.  He always seems to get up for games against his former team, so this cooling off period could be a good thing to him.   He's very much lost out there.

Edmonton put 48 points up against a very good Calgary D yesterday. What do you think they're going to do to Richie Hall's D? If you think we're playing bad now, just wait until we're facing Calgary and Edmonton again.

[JuranBoldenRules]

15 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

It's not about Harris. He's one of the best RB's in the league regardless of passport. It's about Peterman, Wolo, Simonize or ex-NFLers or ex-NCAA stars. An import over Demski may be an upgrade on offense, pretty certain an import returner would be an upgrade over Demski. It would be better if we had an import OT last game so we could put Neuf in a spot he can actually play well. It would be better if we had a couple of decent import receivers. It would be better if Bowman, an import, lived up to his billing. It would be better if our scouts did a better job bringing imports in.

PLAP takes a ton of crap for using the short game so much, but he only has one (import) deep threat, a QB who isn't accurate on the deep throw, and a suspect OL. Harris, our best player on offense and great at making guys miss, gets the ball a ton. His catches are mostly going to be the short ball. PLAP is trying to put the players he has in the best spot to succeed. Give him better players and he likely changes some of what he does. (Queue 17's PLAP's gonna PLAP).

You better move to the States and start scouting then.  Again, bullshit.  The only part that has any credible thought is on Neufeld.  We should have had more depth behind Hardrick and Foketi, but them getting hurt in consecutive weeks is pretty unusual.  

We've had a bunch of import returners and if you look around the league there aren't many guys lighting it up right now.  Fogg is one of the top punt returners.  It's not worth rostering someone to do kickoffs.

I agree the import scouting has left a lot to be desired.  But disagree with the bullshit assumption about imports vs Canadians.  I don't believe that offense yesterday would have been better with 3 more average import players starting.

Edited September 9, 2018 by JuranBoldenRules

[Mark H.]

5 minutes ago, J5V said:

Edmonton put 48 points up against a very good Calgary D yesterday. What do you think they're going to do to Richie Hall's D? If you think we're playing bad now, just wait until we're facing Calgary and Edmonton again.

32 - 23 = 9 points given up by the D yesterday. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

7 minutes ago, J5V said:

Edmonton put 48 points up against a very good Calgary D yesterday. What do you think they're going to do to Richie Hall's D? If you think we're playing bad now, just wait until we're facing Calgary and Edmonton again.

If our offense is going to be a 17 point handicap every week it wouldn't matter if we could have a seance and have Buddy Ryan running our D.  We won't beat anyone.  And the D has actually been good on the whole this season with a few bad games.  The O is a black hole.