Matt Nichols -BOO!!!!!!!

[Brandon]

58 minutes ago, sportmentary2012 said:

Honestly the hate on guys have for Nichols is getting old.

He is not a flashy qb but with a good d and when he is running a steady ball control offence that doesn’t turn the ball over it makes for a winning combo.

the only qb’s that are better are Riley and Mitchell with Masoli possibly ahead of Nichols but he has yet to win anything.

He proved his worth in the 4th with the drive that led to a big field goal and by not turning the ball over.

ill conceed Montreal is not a good team but they have some solid players on D.

 

 

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[USABomberfan]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

Nichols did not shine...  he didn't stink up the joint but he certainly didn't shine.   

He's still not getting rid of the ball as quick as I'd like, and a few times where he tried to run through defenders made me nervous.

 

Now, I think we can all say we're glad of the win and Nichols did well enough to get it.  But Montreal is still bad and Manziel continues to prove that he may be an athletic QB, but he doesn't have the smarts to succeed in the CFL.  The last five games are all against opponents we've lost to already this season, and Nichols needs to get back to 2017 form due to Richie Hall's stink against all of them.

[blueandgoldguy]

With regards to the quality of quarterbacking in the league, it's amazing how quickly things can change within a couple years.

 

Flashback to 2016 - Nichols emerges as a legit starter in Winnipeg putting together several good outings.

Jonathan Jennings has a phenomenal rookie season in BC.  Looks like they will be set for the next decade.

Ricky Ray did not play much during the season, but when he did he was still impressive for the Argos

Collaros had just come off a fantastic season that was cut short by injury.  While he struggled a bit in 2016, he still posted decent numbers and was considered an excellent QB.

Reilly was already a great Qb for Edmonton.  Franklin's limited snaps had many viewers drooling over his potential

Same with Mitchell in Calgary.

Burris just came off an MOP season in 2015 and put together a heck of a run to win the Grey Cup.  Oh, his backup Trevor Harris, looked pretty good, winning eastern all-star accolades.

Glenn was solid if unspectacular in Montreal although given what he had to work you couldn't expect much more.  Better than anything they have today...

Saskatchewan had a declining Durant.  While not the same player he had been prior to 2014, he was OK and like Glenn, probably couldn't be expected to do much better given the lack of talent on the riders in 2016.

 

Here we are in 2018...

-Ray appears to be done due to injury.  His replacements, Franklin and Bethel-Thompson...the former very disappointing so far while the latter will probably post no better than Journeyman-type numbers.

-Jennings regressed massively in 2017 and has not regained his form.  Could be one-season wonder.  Lulay, the former starter is no longer the elite Qb he once was due to injuries.

- Nichols has ranged between average and awful...basically playing like a backup for the most part

-Collaros hasn't been any better looking shell-shocked for 2 seasons now.  His days as an elite starter, maybe even an average starter, are over.  Riders' backup Bridge is too raw and will never amount to anything more than a quick-fix..athletic with a good arm but little else.

-Burris has retired.  While Harris can be maddening with his inconsistency from game-to-game, I think we have seen enough to label him as a good QB.

- Reilly is still elite and the MOP of the league yet again.  Bidding war ensuing in the off-season and imo he will sign for in excess of $600 or 650,000 next year.

- Mitchell is elite.  Just ask him.  He will also sign for over 600,000 next year.

-MOntreal still desperately searching for a starter.  Could Manziel or Pipken be the answer?  Possibly, but will either of them be better then average?

- Hamilton has been the only team that appears to have found a legit good starter that was relatively unknown a couple years ago.  Masoli has shown flashes of greatness but appears to have difficulty finishing off drives and has a greater tendency towards brain farts then the greats in the game.

 

All in all, it appear we have 4 good to great Qbs in the league at the present with a whole lot of question marks outside of that.

[Blueandgold]

Darvin adams flat out dropped that deep ball. The throw by Nichols was fine. 

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, blueandgoldguy said:

Most CFL players were screwed during the last CBA negotiations.  Minimal bump in the league minimum and practice roster players and the ceilings for team salaries hardly increased .....even with the new TV contract that increased threefold.  THe Bombers had 32 million in revenues last year, yet the players received around $5 million of that.  That's around 17% of revenues.

The players definitely deserve a larger cut during the next round of negotiations.  Sadly, that may not happen.

Thirty two million? How did you come up with that number?  I agree that most players were screwed except those athletically superior offensive linemen. Most of them are just taking it easy lying in the tall grass when it comes to the CBA. 

Edited September 22, 2018 by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

34 minutes ago, blueandgoldguy said:

With regards to the quality of quarterbacking in the league, it's amazing how quickly things can change within a couple years.

 

Flashback to 2016 - Nichols emerges as a legit starter in Winnipeg putting together several good outings.

Jonathan Jennings has a phenomenal rookie season in BC.  Looks like they will be set for the next decade.

Ricky Ray did not play much during the season, but when he did he was still impressive for the Argos

Collaros had just come off a fantastic season that was cut short by injury.  While he struggled a bit in 2016, he still posted decent numbers and was considered an excellent QB.

Reilly was already a great Qb for Edmonton.  Franklin's limited snaps had many viewers drooling over his potential

Same with Mitchell in Calgary.

Burris just came off an MOP season in 2015 and put together a heck of a run to win the Grey Cup.  Oh, his backup Trevor Harris, looked pretty good, winning eastern all-star accolades.

Glenn was solid if unspectacular in Montreal although given what he had to work you couldn't expect much more.  Better than anything they have today...

Saskatchewan had a declining Durant.  While not the same player he had been prior to 2014, he was OK and like Glenn, probably couldn't be expected to do much better given the lack of talent on the riders in 2016.

 

Here we are in 2018...

-Ray appears to be done due to injury.  His replacements, Franklin and Bethel-Thompson...the former very disappointing so far while the latter will probably post no better than Journeyman-type numbers.

-Jennings regressed massively in 2017 and has not regained his form.  Could be one-season wonder.  Lulay, the former starter is no longer the elite Qb he once was due to injuries.

- Nichols has ranged between average and awful...basically playing like a backup for the most part

-Collaros hasn't been any better looking shell-shocked for 2 seasons now.  His days as an elite starter, maybe even an average starter, are over.  Riders' backup Bridge is too raw and will never amount to anything more than a quick-fix..athletic with a good arm but little else.

-Burris has retired.  While Harris can be maddening with his inconsistency from game-to-game, I think we have seen enough to label him as a good QB.

- Reilly is still elite and the MOP of the league yet again.  Bidding war ensuing in the off-season and imo he will sign for in excess of $600 or 650,000 next year.

- Mitchell is elite.  Just ask him.  He will also sign for over 600,000 next year.

-MOntreal still desperately searching for a starter.  Could Manziel or Pipken be the answer?  Possibly, but will either of them be better then average?

- Hamilton has been the only team that appears to have found a legit good starter that was relatively unknown a couple years ago.  Masoli has shown flashes of greatness but appears to have difficulty finishing off drives and has a greater tendency towards brain farts then the greats in the game.

 

All in all, it appear we have 4 good to great Qbs in the league at the present with a whole lot of question marks outside of that.

Just look at 1986 to see where quarterbacking has headed (in a downward spiral) since:

 

YVR: Roy Dewalt

YYC: Rick Johnson

YEG: Matt Dunigan, Damon Allen

YQR:  Joe Paopao

YWG: Tom Clements/John Hufnagel

HLT: Mike Kerrigan/Tom Porras

YYZ:  Conredge Holloway

YUL: Joe Barnes

YOW: Todd Burgess/Todd Dillon

 

I think out of that class that every team today could have a great to decent starting qb.  Kerrigan was a lot like Nichols but had a stronger arm & very good accuracy. Quarterbacked the Ti Cats to the Grey Cup over Edmonton that year. Definitely better overall qbs than today.

[blueandgoldguy]

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Thirty two million? How did you come up with that number?  I agree that most players were screwed except those athletically superior offensive linemen. Most of them are just taking it easy lying in the tall grass when it comes to the CBA. 

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/04/19/winnipeg-football-club-posts-operating-profit-5-1-million-2017/

 

Revenue reached a total of $32.5 million in 2017 (an increase of $2.9 million over 2016), and is owed primarily to increased attendance at Investors Group Field in 2017.

[Jpan85]

The Montreal defence is a heck of a lot better than it was in July. They have some really good DBs. As much Henoc gets crapped on here he is a solid MLB. They have couple real good DL especially 97 not sure his name. They are going to keep Mel in every game down stretch.  Saying that thought Nichols was really sharp last night.

[Stickem]

Managed a win against the cellar dweller...It was getting iffy for awhile but we definitely improved in a season MUST win...Nichols seem to be coming around but I'll reserve further comment until after the Edm. game

[wbbfan]

15 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:

The Montreal defence is a heck of a lot better than it was in July. They have some really good DBs. As much Henoc gets crapped on here he is a solid MLB. They have couple real good DL especially 97 not sure his name. They are going to keep Mel in every game down stretch.  Saying that thought Nichols was really sharp last night.

The whole team was lifted a great deal by the trade, and the improved qbing performance. They have a really good D, if they didnt get left on the field soo much by the offense this year they'd be getting a lot more talk league-wide.

Its nice, no team in the league right now is a cake walk. No free spots on the bingo card. The als made us fight them tooth and nail the whole game for the win. Thats a great thing for the league. 

Nichols was much sharper then he was the last several games. Still saw too many two and outs, halftime yard production was abysmal, and he did have some sub-par tosses. But the offense, in general, did a much better job sticking to and finding what worked.  Thats the path to getting back to where you want to be and better. 

Imo dressler and hardrick were huge to have back. Especially hardrick. The difference in protection this week vs the losing streak was night and day. 

[SpeedFlex27]

9 hours ago, blueandgoldguy said:

https://www.cfl.ca/2018/04/19/winnipeg-football-club-posts-operating-profit-5-1-million-2017/

 

Revenue reached a total of $32.5 million in 2017 (an increase of $2.9 million over 2016), and is owed primarily to increased attendance at Investors Group Field in 2017.

Wow, that's a lot of revenue but they have a lot of expenses obviously including the debt repayment program they are saddled with.