So can we start talking about firing MOS yet?

[M.Silverback]

53 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Our biggest issue this year is Matt Nichols.. It really is the biggest problem. Hes gone from a game managing QB to throwing 5 interceptions in a half of football. The backup is a rookie. What u want MOS to do? Nobody expected Nichols to be this bad. .

Fire coaches all you want.. The cycle will repeat itself again tho because without a legit QB.. It don't matter who the coach is. 

Totally agree that Nichols is the biggest problem. But, we have, and have had, other problems this year, and in past years. O'Shea seems like a good guy that players love. But, I'm just not sure what rationale you can have as a GM to retain a coach for 5 seasons who has a sub 500 record, never won a playoff game, and the team is regressing. We're getting worse overall as a team. How is the coaching staff given a free pass on that? How can you sell that to the fan base? Potential season ticket buyers? 

[Stickem]

Barring a miraculous finish to the season, this club has played itself, under the guidance of Mike O', to the brink of another failed year...Just a sniff of that type of finish is enough for the average fan to feel dejected....It's taken too long to show Cup contending results already...Another bad finish will most likely seal the fate of the head coach..How long does this management think fans are going to wait for results???This is a business after all and we're far off the mark in the success dept....Bringing back Mike for another shot after missing the post season, or creeping into a crossover, just won't be on...Could we surprise everyone and make an unexpectedly good Cup run??...Maybe...but the odds of us getting to the promised land with a qb. who has plainly lost it are very small...So the writing is on the wall and I know the faithful fans of this club can read it...These last few games are going to be crunch time for this regime...Finish badly and the writing on the wall will turn to 'that's all she wrote' for this coach...The way I see it

[TBURGESS]

Sports isn't about a good environment or players liking you or about protecting your players. It's about winning games, playoffs and championships.

O'Shea became our HC in 2014. He's below .500 in wins and hasn't even won a playoff game yet.

Rick Campbell and Chris Jones also became HC's in 2014. Both have won Grey Cups. Jones took an equally bad Riders team to the one the O'Shea inherited to the playoffs and won a playoff game in his 2nd year.

Jason Maas and Dave Dickenson became HC's in 2016. Both have winning records and have won playoff games. 

Campbell, Jones, Maas and Dickenson's teams are all ahead of us in the standings this year.

Not making the playoffs, or not winning a playoff game should be a firing offence this year.

[Nickthesizz]

I accidentally voted yes.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

24 minutes ago, Gotmilt said:

I accidentally voted yes.

I can understand why- the Thread title and the name of the poll are complete opposite. 

 

Shenanigans!

[BBRT]

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

Sports isn't about a good environment or players liking you or about protecting your players. It's about winning games, playoffs and championships.

O'Shea became our HC in 2014. He's below .500 in wins and hasn't even won a playoff game yet.

Rick Campbell and Chris Jones also became HC's in 2014. Both have won Grey Cups. Jones took an equally bad Riders team to the one the O'Shea inherited to the playoffs and won a playoff game in his 2nd year.

Jason Maas and Dave Dickenson became HC's in 2016. Both have winning records and have won playoff games. 

Campbell, Jones, Maas and Dickenson's teams are all ahead of us in the standings this year.

Not making the playoffs, or not winning a playoff game should be a firing offence this year.

Truer words were never spoken. This summarizes it completely IMHO

[TheSource]

32 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

I can understand why- the Thread title and the name of the poll are complete opposite. 

 

Shenanigans!

That got me too. The sense of the question and the title are opposite.

So the tally shown above should at least have 2 less votes to keep the regime next season and two more to get rid of it.

 

[nate007]

If you know the tune to Rocket Man, sing along:

I packed my jersey away last night post-game,

Zero hour, 12 AM,

And I let out a si-iiiii-ii-igh, once again.

I miss those wins so much, I miss Coach Cal

One franchise out of place,

In such a sma-aaaaa-all league.

 

And I think it’s gonna be a long long time,

‘Till a touchdown brings me around again to find,

That the Bombers are bringing the Cup back home,

Oh no no no, I’m a hopeless fan,

Hopeless fan, and it sure seems like I’m not alone.

 

Winnipeg’s a great place to raise your kids,

But sometimes it’s cold as hell.

And there are no playoff wins there to give them hope,

And we’re all tired of being out-coached.

We just look forward to the end of the week.

We are hopeless fans, hopeless fans.

 

And I think it’s gonna be a long long time,

‘Till a touchdown brings me around again to find,

That the Bombers are bringing the Cup back home,

Oh no no no, I’m a hopeless fan,

Hopeless fan, and it sure seems like I’m not alone.

[Nickthesizz]

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

Sports isn't about a good environment or players liking you or about protecting your players. It's about winning games, playoffs and championships.

O'Shea became our HC in 2014. He's below .500 in wins and hasn't even won a playoff game yet.

Rick Campbell and Chris Jones also became HC's in 2014. Both have won Grey Cups. Jones took an equally bad Riders team to the one the O'Shea inherited to the playoffs and won a playoff game in his 2nd year.

Jason Maas and Dave Dickenson became HC's in 2016. Both have winning records and have won playoff games. 

Campbell, Jones, Maas and Dickenson's teams are all ahead of us in the standings this year.

Not making the playoffs, or not winning a playoff game should be a firing offence this year.

Philly booed their offence after the first half of week one after coming off a super bowl win.

[Nickthesizz]

2 hours ago, M.Silverback said:

Totally agree that Nichols is the biggest problem. But, we have, and have had, other problems this year, and in past years. O'Shea seems like a good guy that players love. But, I'm just not sure what rationale you can have as a GM to retain a coach for 5 seasons who has a sub 500 record, never won a playoff game, and the team is regressing. We're getting worse overall as a team. How is the coaching staff given a free pass on that? How can you sell that to the fan base? Potential season ticket buyers? 

I was a little tipsy but I remember the first drive the team was moving the ball and picking up first downs, its 2nd and short, they decide to run the worst wildcat direct snap I've personally ever seen.

[pigseye]

I voted yes, Walters needs to provide him with better international players. 

[Stickem]

2 hours ago, nate007 said:

If you know the tune to Rocket Man, sing along:

I packed my jersey away last night post-game,

Zero hour, 12 AM,

And I let out a si-iiiii-ii-igh, once again.

I miss those wins so much, I miss Coach Cal

One franchise out of place,

In such a sma-aaaaa-all league.

 

And I think it’s gonna be a long long time,

‘Till a touchdown brings me around again to find,

That the Bombers are bringing the Cup back home,

Oh no no no, I’m a hopeless fan,

Hopeless fan, and it sure seems like I’m not alone.

 

Winnipeg’s a great place to raise your kids,

But sometimes it’s cold as hell.

And there are no playoff wins there to give them hope,

And we’re all tired of being out-coached.

We just look forward to the end of the week.

We are hopeless fans, hopeless fans.

 

And I think it’s gonna be a long long time,

‘Till a touchdown brings me around again to find,

That the Bombers are bringing the Cup back home,

Oh no no no, I’m a hopeless fan,

Hopeless fan, and it sure seems like I’m not alone.

Thankyou Elton Taupin……..The lyrics are pretty good and sums up a lot of the Bombers faithful fans feelings ..I hope it's not Goodbye BIGBLUE Road in 18.... cuz at present it's looking a lot like another dead end

[Doublezero]

It was remarkable to see O'Shea beaking angrily at players and getting in their grill several times during the Sask game. Haven't seen that before.
The heat is on. Changes coming, no doubt.
Too little too late though.

One constant with this leadership over the past 5 years (Miller ex D + ST player, Walters ex D + ST player, O'Shea ex D/ST player) is that they have had no clue how to manage the QB position which is the most important position on any football team. Look at the CFL teams that have had success in the same period and notice the QB specialists and former QBs among them. There's your Achilles heel, right there.

[Rod Black]

27 minutes ago, Doublezero said:

It was remarkable to see O'Shea beaking angrily at players and getting in their grill several times during the Sask game. Haven't seen that before.
The heat is on. Changes coming, no doubt.
Too little too late though.

 

I didnt see him chewing anyone out on Saturday. I believe you when you say you did. 

Over the past couple of training camps, I have seen MOS be spirited in his direction to a player. In fact, there was a recruit at camp on the sidelines  not participating due to injury texting on a cell phone. MOS took the phone, threw it maybe 40 yards and again in a spirited fashion instructed that he was to be involved even if on the sidelines. He has also blasted staff for letting fans in early for practice. He might not be a hothead, but is certainly capable of giving someone a blast. Maybe on Saturday some players needed a blast. 

[JCon]

4 minutes ago, Rod Black said:

I didnt see him chewing anyone out on Saturday. I believe you when you say you did. 

He laid into Roh for his penalty and dragged him off the field. At least, I think that MOS? 

[blueandgoldguy]

6 hours ago, Goalie said:

Our biggest issue this year is Matt Nichols.. It really is the biggest problem. Hes gone from a game managing QB to throwing 5 interceptions in a half of football. The backup is a rookie. What u want MOS to do? Nobody expected Nichols to be this bad. .

Fire coaches all you want.. The cycle will repeat itself again tho because without a legit QB.. It don't matter who the coach is. 

No team in CFL history has kept a head coach for more than 4 seasons without at least one playoff victory.  The Bomber organization has been extremely patient with him.  Make the playoffs and win at least one game or you are done.  Simple.

[Goalie]

You fire the head coach when he loses the room. He has not done that. Entire team stepped in when Gainey got in his face. Fire MOS.. Bring in another head coach but have no QB and he gets fired and repeat.. MOS is not the issue... His OC and QB is. You fire BOTH Hall and Lapo long b4 u fire the coach who hasn't lost the room. You wanna see the team really go to ****? Fire the head coach they all believe in.  You fire the OC who has been fired twice b4 here.. You fire the DC... You fire MOS and we get a seasons worth of Tim Burke LDC games. 

Edited September 10, 2018 by Goalie

[Nickthesizz]

22 minutes ago, Goalie said:

You fire the head coach when he loses the room. He has not done that. Entire team stepped in when Gainey got in his face. Fire MOS.. Bring in another head coach but have no QB and he gets fired and repeat.. MOS is not the issue... His OC and QB is. You fire BOTH Hall and Lapo long b4 u fire the coach who hasn't lost the room. You wanna see the team really go to ****? Fire the head coach they all believe in.  You fire the OC who has been fired twice b4 here.. You fire the DC... You fire MOS and we get a seasons worth of Tim Burke LDC games. 

I like how you go on this rant basically guaranteeing you know the result.

You Hire a new HC in  the offseason, then allow the new HC to choose his coordinators.

You're very confused and it shows in your rambling post.

[SpeedFlex27]

You fire a HC when he loses continually. In this case, no results after 5 seasons. Losing the room has nothing to do with it. Lots of popular coaches have been fired in the past. This is supposed to be a performance based business, after all.

[Floyd]

13 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

You fire a HC when he loses continually. In this case, no results after 5 seasons. Losing the room has nothing to do with it. Lots of popular coaches have been fired in the past. This is supposed to be a performance based business, after all.

Feels like something needs to be done to placate the fan base...  but fire who?  Buck?

Fire Osh now and Lapo is next man up...

Fire Lapo and no one is next man up...

Younger could replace Hall but the D has been 'good' in the last two games - although I'd still say that Collaros just sucks...

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, Floyd said:

Feels like something needs to be done to placate the fan base...  but fire who?  Buck?

Fire Osh now and Lapo is next man up... Fire Lapo and no one is next man up...

Younger could replace Hall but the D has been 'good' in the last two games - although I'd still say that Collaros just sucks...

We could cut Alex Ross again.

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, Floyd said:

Feels like something needs to be done to placate the fan base...  but fire who?  Buck?

Fire Osh now and Lapo is next man up...

Fire Lapo and no one is next man up...

Younger could replace Hall but the D has been 'good' in the last two games - although I'd still say that Collaros just sucks...

I think it's just a matter of time as I just can't see this team coming back but fire MOS at season's end.

[Tracker]

Ironic, isn't it? Durant screwed the team over by bailing after getting his signing bonus, but if he were here, he would probably be starting now. We have Streveler but his experience is very limited.

[Floyd]

Just now, Tracker said:

Ironic, isn't it? Durant screwed the team over by bailing after getting his signing bonus, but if he were here, he would probably be starting now. We have Streveler but his experience is very limited.

Durant handed us a gift-wrapped Adam Bighill...  I'm eternally grateful.

If Durant was starting, we'd be totally finished, he was garbage the last two years... and Walters would be fired mid-season.

[Floyd]

BobIrvingCJOB

Mike O’Shea won’t reveal on his weekly CJOB radio show who his starting QB will be Sept 21 vs Mont. but he did hint at it when he said Matt Nichols still has his confidence.