Riders @ TiCats: 2019 Kickoff

[B-F-F-C]

3 minutes ago, gcn11 said:

I agree with Zontar. Collaros has every reason to be upset at Simoni. That hit was disgusting. However, the Rider organization should be questioned as well. They are knowingly putting a guy out there that is a hit away from a life time of Parkinson's. I was flabbergasted when they re-signed him, and appalled that the Rider faithful supported the signing. They get what they deserve out of this, no QB. Zach Collaros and the fans around the league that had to witness that disgusting garbage hit have the right to be incensed. The Rider organization and a great majority of it's fans bear responsibility for rolling him out in the first place and lose their moral high ground in all of this.

If you want to blame the Riders for putting Collaros out there. Then you need to place blame on the Bombers for employing Buck Pierce.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

Just now, B-F-F-C said:

If you want to blame the Riders for putting Collaros out there. Then you need to place blame on the Bombers for employing Buck Pierce.

Or any player that has had a concussion. That is weak-assed logic. 

 

[Zontar]

2 minutes ago, JCon said:

Yes, let's blame Collaros for getting drilled in the head on a cheap shot. 

I'm pretty sure the fans don't set the roster. 

Yep, inherit risk playing a violent sport that team and player takes. If they want to take that risk, fine.

So no more bleeding heart lectures because Collaros will always be one clean hit away from disaster too..

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

3 minutes ago, Zontar said:

So no more bleeding heart lectures because Collaros will always be one clean hit away from disaster too..

I think people are just disgusted by the hit itself- I don't think people are disgusted by the dirty hit because it was ZC- people are disgusted by the dirty ******* hit. Insert CF or MR or BLM and I think you find the same level of disgust. 

To be fair- any player is potentially 1 hit away from disaster. 

Edited June 14, 2019 by wanna-b-fanboy

[Zontar]

1 minute ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

 

To be fair- any player is potentially 1 hit away from disaster. 

Simply not true with a concussion history like Collaros. It's a decidedly  heightened risk. 

[Fatty Liver]

3 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

I think people are just disgusted by the hit itself- I don't think people are disgusted by the dirty hit because it was ZC- people are disgusted by the dirty ******* hit. Insert CF or MR or BLM and I think you find the same level of disgust. 

To be fair- any player is potentially 1 hit away from disaster. 

True but I don't believe that hit would not have knocked Nichols or any other QB out of the game the way it did Collaros.  It was a glancing blow something we have seen hundreds of times before.

[Geebrr]

1 minute ago, Zontar said:

Simply not true with a concussion history like Collaros. It's a decidedly  heightened risk. 

It is a slippery slope to blame players with recurring injury.

It was a dirty play, and that is really the issue at hand.

I know you are defending your guy, and I think you are a good fan in general. I'd say you're off on this.

[Geebrr]

1 minute ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

True but I don't believe that hit would not have knocked Nichols or any other QB out of the game the way it did Collaros.  It was a glancing blow something we have seen hundreds of times before.

A glancing head shot is still a head shot.

Hard to say what will cause what.

[Zontar]

4 minutes ago, Geebrr said:

It is a slippery slope to blame players with recurring injury.

It was a dirty play, and that is really the issue at hand.

I know you are defending your guy, and I think you are a good fan in general. I'd say you're off on this.

Nope. Understand the anger.

Went through it with Collaros and Willis when he was here.

But if this is going to be a moral crusade about health in general one has to include other factors too if it's to be taken seriously.

[Wideleft]

24 minutes ago, Zontar said:

It was a dirty hit. But one can still call it that without all the virtue signalling over head injuries. If one is going to do that then they have to broaden the discussion to asking why Collaros is even playing again this year.

You know if you truly cared about player health and not just your teams win/loss.

Because he was medically cleared to play and there isn't a professional sports league today that takes head injury and CTE seriously enough?  I can't possibly begin to understand what you are saying about "virtue signalling about head injuries", because it's very real.

You should have stopped at, "It was a dirty hit".

[Zontar]

2 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Because he was medically cleared to play and there isn't a professional sports league today that takes head injury and CTE seriously enough?  I can't possibly begin to understand what you are saying about "virtue signalling about head injuries", because it's very real.

You should have stopped at, "It was a dirty hit".

When he missed time last year after routine contact is Collaros still playing this year truly taking CTE "seriously"?

When everybody questioned why Pierce , Lulay still put on a helmet was fair and reasonable  discussion why is Collaros situation suddenly off limits?

[TBURGESS]

Yes. It was a dirty hit. Yes. it was intentional.

No. I don't blame Collaros, he slid and protected himself. No. I don't think that any other QB would have just got back up. No. I don't think it was a 'glancing blow'. No. I don't think the CFL is doing enough to protect players in this kind of situation.

[JCon]

23 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

True but I don't believe that hit would not have knocked Nichols or any other QB out of the game the way it did Collaros.  It was a glancing blow something we have seen hundreds of times before.

You have no idea how any head shot is going to affect anyone. 

[B-F-F-C]

Any word from the league about an scheduled disciplinary hearing?  Or will they wait until week 1 games are over?  

[Wideleft]

4 minutes ago, JCon said:

You have no idea how any head shot is going to affect anyone. 

Exactly.  Compare hockey enforcers Todd Ewen's and Tie Domi's outcomes.

It was on Simoni Oglethorpe to avoid that shot and no one else.

[Wideleft]

10 minutes ago, Zontar said:

When he missed time last year after routine contact is Collaros still playing this year truly taking CTE "seriously"?

When everybody questioned why Pierce , Lulay still put on a helmet was fair and reasonable  discussion why is Collaros situation suddenly off limits?

Because it sure sounds like you're victim-blaming here.

[Zontar]

1 minute ago, Wideleft said:

Exactly.  Compare hockey enforcers Todd Ewen's and Tie Domi's outcomes.

It was on Simoni Oglethorpe to avoid that shot and no one else.

Arguing a point nobody's making or made.

[Zontar]

4 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Because it sure sounds like you're victim-blaming here.

Cynic in me suggests the hand wringing is phony when it excludes relevent factors. If the discussion was narrowed to crime and punishment fine but some really want to be a hero over this.

Edited June 14, 2019 by Zontar

[Bigblue204]

16 minutes ago, Zontar said:

When he missed time last year after routine contact is Collaros still playing this year truly taking CTE "seriously"?

When everybody questioned why Pierce , Lulay still put on a helmet was fair and reasonable  discussion why is Collaros situation suddenly off limits?

People are questioning why he's back. People where questioning why he came back last year after getting hurt. That doesn't excuse a clearly dirty hit. That could have been harker taking it and same results could have happened.

Why Collaros was out there makes no difference to the outcome and should never play a role in the punishment. Anyone who argues that is either delusional or just being a homer.

Edited June 14, 2019 by Bigblue204

[Wideleft]

4 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Cynic in me suggests the hand wringing is phony when it excludes relevent factors. If the discussion was narrowed to crime and punishment fine but some really want to be a hero over this.

So what you are saying is you're totally ok with the headshot that begins an athlete's concussion history, but any shots he takes after that are on him.

I understand now.

[Wideleft]

9 minutes ago, Zontar said:

Arguing a point nobody's making or made.

I was replying to someone, so I believe you must have been on your home planet when that post was made.

[USABomberfan]

9 minutes ago, Zontar said:

When he missed time last year after routine contact is Collaros still playing this year truly taking CTE "seriously"?

When everybody questioned why Pierce , Lulay still put on a helmet was fair and reasonable  discussion why is Collaros situation suddenly off limits?

I don't recall any of us seeming to think the league should prevent Lulay or Pierce from seeing the field.  Usually what we've suggested is that if a QB becomes injury prone, the team should consider moving on from him especially if his performance is affected as a result.  That's what happened with Pierce and later Drew Willy.  Arguably that's happened to Collaros now too.  But the league's not going to just kick players out just because they've had a few concussions along the way, or force QBs like Ricky Ray to retire just because they consider it.

Blaming a QB's past injuries on another player's dirty cheap shot is no different than blaming a running risk taking QB like Mike Reilly for the same thing if he's running and deciding not to slide but the opposing player cheap shot him.  You can get injured getting hit cleanly on plays like that, but it doesn't make it your fault for another player's cheap shot.

[Zontar]

3 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

So what you are saying is you're totally ok with the headshot that begins an athlete's concussion history, but any shots he takes after that are on him.

I understand now.

 Right. Loved the hit. Glad Collaros got hurt. I'm a bad person.

Happy ?

[Wideleft]

2 minutes ago, Zontar said:

 Right. Loved the hit. Glad Collaros got hurt. I'm a bad person.

Happy ?

People with bad opinions aren't necessarily bad people.

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, JCon said:

Yes, let's blame Collaros for getting drilled in the head on a cheap shot. 

I'm pretty sure the fans don't set the roster. 

Please show me where I blamed Collaros. I agree that the fans don't set the roster, but they can express their opinion when a team chooses to employ a QB whose head is mush. They chose not to do that, and I have no sympathy for them.