Andrew Harris suspended for 2 games

[Jpan85]

Wrestled with it all day 75% of me believes him but there is this 25% of knowing how things are these days that he could be on something. It is what it is today no athlete will ever be 100% vindicated when they get popped on a drug test.

[Mike]

31 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Put me on Mike's side of the ledger.

**** it, he’s innocent! 

[Booch]

8 minutes ago, Ripper said:

Thigpen tested positive in November after our playoff game against Toronto so likely he was on it all year and was rolling the dice around piss tests on not getting caught.   And when did I say Harris was dumb?  If starting a cycle mid season is dumb, wouldn't it be more likely he has been on it the whole time?  I have nothing else to add to the discussion other than the opinion I have stated so I will bow out and read comments and let others carry the discussion on from here.  Safe travels to anyone coming out to Regina

not really...not that drug...as an oral he'd have to take it daily basically...so all his tests from March would have been positive...and they weren't...and you never wanna cycle in season...risk of injury is very prevalent..especially a skilled position player...and a running back or receiever wouldn't wanna be doing that agent...maybe a stanazonal or a similar ester...but not a mass agent

[TBURGESS]

Just now, Mike said:

**** it, he’s innocent! 

You just can't stand me agreeing with you eh?

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

7 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

I understand that it's an unregulated industry. Are you suggesting that the company Harris buys from changed their product and that's why Harris got caught? If that's the case every player who is using that supplement is going to get caught if they're tested.

I am not suggesting anything, I am answering your question you posed in your post.

[kelownabomberfan]

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

not really...not that drug...as an oral he'd have to take it daily basically..

what about as a suppository?

 

 

[SpeedFlex27]

5 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Lets see what the backups have!!

Good luck for us with that. We're ******.

[Geebrr]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

Barnett who has failed tests multiple times over the years.   He lost his UFC HW belt because of it.    

Romero ....  he may have proven his case against this one company.... otherwise if you actually honestly think that guy is not on anything then boy do I have a lot of stuff that I need to sell to you lol.  

Jones was in trouble because he was taking a bunch of **** trying to mask his cocaine use and other viagra like drugs to get it up.....   if he wasn't an elite fighter he would of been long gone and UFC wouldn't of bought his way out of trouble at all. 

I didn't say Jones, that is you.

I am telling you facts that they successfully defended themselves against positive tests.

I don't really care whether you agree with it or not .

[johnzo]

We're down our QB1, our WR1, a couple of starting guards, a couple of starting DLs, a starting halfback, and now our MOP tailback.

On paper we're doomed, but crazy stuff happens on Labour Day and the Riders will ln coming in fat and happy after dumping Ottawa.  We got em right where we want em, go blue.

[Bigblue204]

4 minutes ago, johnzo said:

We're down our QB1, our WR1, a couple of starting guards, a couple of starting DLs, a starting halfback, and now our MOP tailback.

And we're STILL better then the riders.

[Noeller]

well, I know our fans are definitely better.......I know that much for a fact.

[Geebrr]

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

What a **** show. Will definitely cost Harris the next 2 games. Will likely cost him MOP, because the CFL isn't going to put a guy who got caught up for their biggest award.

Where did the 'contamination' come from anyway? Did Harris change what he was taking between his last passed test and his failed test? Did he open a new container that was tainted? Cross contamination from something that contained the banned substance? What would that even be? I'm pretty sure I don't have anything on my shelves that contains the banned substance (I can't even remember it's name).

MOS stands by all his players. There's no reason to believe that he'd throw Harris under the bus even if he wanted to. The team stays together, especially in the press. There's no reason to believe that they wouldn't stand behind a teammate who got caught. Management knows that Harris is at least half our offence. No reason to believe they'd say anything against their meal ticket.

The story is a 32 year old RB who is not only defying father time, but is actually getting better, getting caught taking a banned substance. I wouldn't wonder if he did it for 1 second if he wasn't a Bomber. Put me on Mike's side of the ledger.

I'm not saying I can tell you he didn't take it intentionally, but a place like GNC has a ton of products that are not clear about what is in them. The player should go to the league and get clearance for any supplement and that is their error if they didn't. Assuming the CFL follows the practice other leagues do of offering that service to players.

[Bomber_fanaddict]

Booch. What's the difference between what Harris is accused of taking vs what Thigpen had in his system dehydrochloromethyltestosterone. Are these even comparable?

[wbbfan]

34 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

I understand that it's an unregulated industry. Are you suggesting that the company Harris buys from changed their product and that's why Harris got caught? If that's the case every player who is using that supplement is going to get caught if they're tested.

What happens frequently is the manufacturing companies make legal supplements, and also various PEDs. They use the same machinery and the machines dont get cleaned and switched over well in the switch from one to another. 

Frequently changes are made and substitutes are used. From supply limitations to cost changes. Because they arent tested or held to any standard, they dont need to waste bottles and boxes and order new stuff with updated labels. This happens A LOT. On the more nefarious side, some companies will copy other more successful companies ingredient lists with out ever using that combination or even any thing close to it. 

Supplements are an extremely shady industry. The companies all chase the dollar and have them manufactured in the lowest cost areas possible. With that you get these types of issues. The amount of tainted positive tests proven in just MMA in the last 2 years is insane.

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, Bomber_fanaddict said:

Booch. What's the difference between what Harris is accused of taking vs what Thigpen had in his system dehydrochloromethyltestosterone. Are these even comparable?

It's kind of a newer version of Dbol...but is a 4 blend esther..so better and longer lasting...also injectable versions too...so less toxic...a very prevalent drug of choice by athletes now, and one I know you can mask somewhat, obviously Thigpen didn't..

Consider it the new and improved version made by actual drug manufacturing companies

Edited August 26, 2019 by Booch

[DR. CFL]

There is a website....informed-choice.org. It lists supplements and manufacturers that are tested and certified to be “clean”, Athletes need to be more cognizant and responsible when it comes to what they are ingesting. Whether intended or not they are ultimately responsible for their actions..... “ he said it was ok and clean”.....doesn’t cut it when it is your urine getting tested. Buyer beware. 

[wbbfan]

Just now, Bomber_fanaddict said:

Booch. What's the difference between what Harris is accused of taking vs what Thigpen had in his system dehydrochloromethyltestosterone. Are these even comparable?

No pro athlete would take what Harris has popped for as any PED. Its like trying to do your taxes on a TRS-80 vs a new pc. 

I believe what thigpen took was a no name turinabol. The same thing jone jones popped for in the ufc. In a small dose it would help with his weight cut. 

[Geebrr]

Turinabol is super old school, like East German Olympic team old. 

[wbbfan]

Just now, DR. CFL said:

There is a website....informed-choice.org. It lists supplements and manufacturers that are tested and certified to be “clean”, Athletes need to be more cognizant and responsible when it comes to what they are ingesting. Whether intended or not they are ultimately responsible for their actions..... “ he said it was ok and clean”.....doesn’t cut it when it is your urine getting tested. Buyer beware. 

The problem is the contamination rate. Unless they are constantly testing every batch its still a big risk. I understand there is a US based manufacturing company that guarantees clean supplements, though im sure its rather expensive.

[Jpan85]

To bad we don’t have Gbill here to give us the definitive answer based on Harris head size if he is on steroids. 

[Geebrr]

GNC has gotten in hot water over tainted supplements more than enough.

[Booch]

Just now, Jpan85 said:

To bad we don’t have Gbill here to give us the definitive answer based on Harris head size if he is on steroids. 

lol...thats HGH....and its real...enlarged elbows too

[Jpan85]

This might be stupid but why would you not keep a sample of each supplement you take to be tested in case this comes up or test each new package when you get it.

[Geebrr]

2 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:

This might be stupid but why would you not keep a sample of each supplement you take to be tested in case this comes up or test each new package when you get it.

You can typically trace back to the batch based on when/where you bought it.

Once you open it the responsibility is likely out of the window for the seller/manufacturer as anything could be added. 

You would have to prove the batch is contaminated, not your specific open container. 

[Booch]

5 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:

This might be stupid but why would you not keep a sample of each supplement you take to be tested in case this comes up or test each new package when you get it.

easy to say...but what lab you gonna use..and who's paying?..