Rod Black Posted June 24, 2023 Report Posted June 24, 2023 Putin is said to be returning to his Gremlin.
Fatty Liver Posted June 24, 2023 Report Posted June 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, Mark F said: bizarre. these crazies with nuclear weapons. looking at who has nuclear weapons, I wonder why nuclear war has not happened. pakistan, n. korea, israel, india, russia. America under Trump. ( nixon proposed using them in vietnam) maybe soon iran, saudi arabia. I wonder about that too, Western world was in a panic during the Cuban Missile Crisis and completely ignores the threat of nuclear attack nowadays. I guess in the end it really doesn't make any difference if we worry, or prepare for it or not, nothing nobody can do. Mark F 1
Rod Black Posted June 24, 2023 Report Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Opinion piece - Putin’s armour pierced. Pundit Jeffrey Sonnenfield opine’s start of Putin’s downfall… https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/24/russia-wagner-group-mutiny-prigozhin-coup-putin-rostov/ Edited June 24, 2023 by Rod Black Mark F 1
Mark F Posted June 24, 2023 Report Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rod Black said: Putin is said to be returning to his Gremlin. and is just as secure as passengers in the car were "the 1973 model year, AMC strengthened bumpers able to withstand a 5-mile-per-hour (8 km/h) impact in the front and a 2.5-mile-per-hour (4 km/h) impact in the rear, without any damage to the engine, lights, and safety equipment " last 24 hrs..... 1 mph impact. Edited June 24, 2023 by Mark F Tracker and Rod Black 1 1
Tracker Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 Russia Says Wagner Group's Leader Will Move To Belarus After His Rebellious March Challenged Putin The head of the private Russian military company Wagner will move to neighboring Belarus as part of deal to defuse rebellion tensions and the criminal case against him will be closed, the Kremlin said Saturday. Yevgeny Prigozhin’s troops who joined him in the uprising will not face prosecution and those who did not will be offered contracts by the Defense Ministry, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. After the deal was reached, Prigozhin said he was ordering his troops to halt their march on Moscow and retreat to field camps in Ukraine, where they have been fighting alongside Russian troops (this had to have cost Putin several hundred million rubles)
Mark F Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 (edited) prigozin mercenary army Tuesday. order.... kill Ukranians... "sure" wednesday order... today, we kill Russians, the guys you were fighting alongside,.... "sure why not, .ok" thursday order.... ok today, we are back to Killing ukrainians. "sounds good to me" Twenty five thousand of these scum. whole thing reminds of the worst of Africa. Edited June 25, 2023 by Mark F Tracker and the watcher 1 1
17to85 Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 well that's one guy that the world would be a better place if he were to somehow fall out of a window
Tracker Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 9 hours ago, 17to85 said: well that's one guy that the world would be a better place if he were to somehow fall out of a window That would benefit Putin, however as Prigozhin is the only viable alternative to him.
17to85 Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 13 minutes ago, Tracker said: That would benefit Putin, however as Prigozhin is the only viable alternative to him. They're both incredibly shitty people. Bigblue204 1
Tracker Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, 17to85 said: They're both incredibly shitty people. No argument from me, but there are three interesting developments. Firstly, the two Russian partisan movements have seen how vulnerable and cowardly Putin is and will grow stronger, secondly, although Putin (on paper) gave amnesty to all who supported Prigozhin, he is not someone who forgets or forgives easily, so a bloody purge is inevitable, and third, Prigozhin is now surrounded not by his own troops, but in a country ruled by a Putin loyalist and much more vulnerable to assassination. There is credible proof that Putin has tried at least once to kill him, and if Prigozhin is dead, a major annoyance is gone.
iHeart Posted June 25, 2023 Report Posted June 25, 2023 so apparently Prigozhin's deal with Putin was Exile not president of Belarus
Tracker Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 Executions of Wagner supporters by the Russian MoD forces have begun. Videos appear to shows the execution of soldiers that support Wagner. (Can't post video here for obvious reasons). JCon 1
JCon Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tracker said: Executions of Wagner supporters by the Russian MoD forces have begun. Videos appear to shows the execution of soldiers that support Wagner. (Can't post video here for obvious reasons). That's not happening.
Tracker Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, JCon said: That's not happening. The Russians executed captured Ukrainian soldiers and Ukrainian civilians, so why would you doubt?
bustamente Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 Prigozhin will be lucky if he see's August
iHeart Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 24 minutes ago, bustamente said: Prigozhin will be lucky if he see's August you think he'll meet the same fate at Trotsky?
bustamente Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, iHeart said: you think he'll meet the same fate at Trotsky? All I know that people that oppose and or threaten Putin usually meet a familiar fate
Tracker Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 14 minutes ago, iHeart said: you think he'll meet the same fate at Trotsky? You can bet your bippy that Putin will do his level best to ensure that he does.
Fatty Liver Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 11 hours ago, Tracker said: No argument from me, but there are three interesting developments. Firstly, the two Russian partisan movements have seen how vulnerable and cowardly Putin is and will grow stronger, secondly, although Putin (on paper) gave amnesty to all who supported Prigozhin, he is not someone who forgets or forgives easily, so a bloody purge is inevitable, and third, Prigozhin is now surrounded not by his own troops, but in a country ruled by a Putin loyalist and much more vulnerable to assassination. There is credible proof that Putin has tried at least once to kill him, and if Prigozhin is dead, a major annoyance is gone. Old Vlad is all for doing all he can to restore Russia to it's former greatness, right up until the part about sacrificing your life for the glorious future of the Motherland. "Hura!"
the watcher Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 This is a pretty interesting article. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/26/vladimir-putin-yevgeny-prigozhin-russia-wagner-ukraine Tracker and WildPath 1 1
Tracker Posted June 26, 2023 Report Posted June 26, 2023 Prigozhin Just Got Double-Crossed by Duplicitous Putin -Press service of Concord/Handout via Reuters On Saturday night, with his heavily armed mercenaries closing in on Moscow, Yevgeny Prigozhin abruptly announced that he was shutting down his insurrection after a negotiated settlement that would allow him to walk away peacefully. Just two days later, the Russian authorities leaked word that the agreement was already toast. After one of the most extraordinary days in modern Russian history, which saw Prigozhin seize the military’s southern command HQ in Rostov-on-Don before a column of his fighters sped toward Moscow virtually unopposed, it was announced that the former Putin confidant would be granted an amnesty and allowed to head into exile in Belarus. Prigozhin—who forged his notorious reputation by running the world’s most bloodthirsty mercenary army—laughably said the deal was struck to ensure that no “blood will be shed” even though his men had already shot down several Russian helicopters and a military plane, according to reports from Russian military bloggers and the Ukrainian air force spokesman, killing up to 39 Russians. No details of the deal struck in talks with Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko were announced by media-savvy Prigozhin himself over the weekend. It was reported in the Russian press that the agreement would see his men spared in order to rejoin the fight in Ukraine under contract to the Ministry of Defense and that the Wagner boss would be granted amnesty for his treasonous mutiny and allowed to drive off into the sunset. On Monday, a new audio recording of Prigozhin was released by his press service saying that Lukashenko had brokered a deal to keep his Wagner Group in business. He claimed Wagner had been due to get shut down next Saturday. Lukashenko offered to find a way for the legal operation of Wagner to continue, Prigozhin said. He made no reference to the supposed deal to keep himself or his comrades out of prison. Why Did Putin Let Prigozhin Walk Away? A few hours earlier, signs first emerged that the deal may not have been struck in good faith. The Russian state news agency RIA Novosti reported that the criminal case against Prigozhin had not—in fact—been dropped. The official state news agency, TASS, soon confirmed that the investigation into the mutiny that humiliated President Vladimir Putin was ongoing. A Prosecutor General’s Office source was quoted as saying: “The criminal case against Prigozhin did not stop. The investigation continues.” (Translation: Prigozhin is a dead man walking)
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