Osh is a Legend

[17to85]

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

That was 6 years ago. It's like Trudeau still blaming Harper. Makes no sense. 

That doesn't change the fact that they inherited a mess and fixed it to the point where we have these lofty expectations. 

[17to85]

1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The problem are his two coordinators. He absolutely Refuses. To. Change. Them. So then, nothing changes. Everything stays the same. And if he comes back next year then nothing will change.  It's like we're caught in a loop where everything just goes round & round. 

Who says he refuses to change them? He gives people chances to improve and honestly the D has come a long way from where it was 2 seasons ago, the offense runs hot and cold, and it's stagnating the last couple seasons, but let's not be too hasty saying that O'Shea refuses to change. This offseason if he decides to come back will be very telling in that aspect. 

[SpeedFlex27]

19 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

That doesn't change the fact that they inherited a mess and fixed it to the point where we have these lofty expectations. 

And so we should. Making the playoffs isn't good anymore.

[SpeedFlex27]

4 hours ago, WBBFanWest said:

It has been 30 years.  So what?  Why do people keep bringing that up when talking about this regime?  They are not responsible for 30 years.  They're responsible for 6, and the first two of those was righting the organization.  So really, we're looking at the past four.  Know who else hasn't won in the last four years?  The Bombers and four other teams, in other words, the majority of the teams in the  CFL.  I swear to god that the next guy that mentions the "30 year drought" and the current organization should have this happen to him:

 

I never brought up the 30 year drought, 17to85 did. I only talked about the past 6 years. 

[Old Bomber Fan]

The fact one coach can turn a team that started 0-2 into a second place team: another coaches a bottom dwelling team into a first place team in the west and yet another who coached a team to first place in toe east should say something about the coaches role in turning around teams. And for the most part with similar rosters. So what does that say about our tenured coaching staff? Just a question and comparison

[J5V]

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

The problem are his two coordinators. He absolutely Refuses. To. Change. Them. So then, nothing changes. Everything stays the same. And if he comes back next year then nothing will change.  It's like we're caught in a loop where everything just goes round & round. 

QFT. So, last year, Lapo was refused an opportunity to be interviewed by the Riders for a HC job. It might be different this year. Lapo could be gone next year with or without O'Shea's blessing. Richie Hall I'm not so sure about.

[jazzsax]

On 2019-10-16 at 5:49 PM, White Out said:

No way, me too. We can shout at MOS together if we lose? 😂 

Hahahaha definitely!
 

I'm in row 28. Will have the jerseys on. Look for the bald guy (hahahah!)

[NorthernSkunk]

5 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

House cleaning may be difficult when everyone in the organization is joined at the hip & are BFF's. How do you fire your bestie?

Shouldn't be too hard for a mafia family.  No ?

[TBURGESS]

12 hours ago, 17to85 said:

That doesn't change the fact that they inherited a mess and fixed it to the point where we have these lofty expectations. 

It took MOS 3 years to get a playoff game. 4 years to get to 2nd place. 5 years to win a playoff game.

Khari inherited a mess this year. Late in the off season. No chance to hire his own coaching staff. Lost his GM too. He got his team in 2nd place year 1. A home playoff game. If he wins it, he's tied with MOS for playoff wins and he has a home playoff win, something that MOS most likely won't do in year 6.

 

[JCon]

2 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

It took MOS 3 years to get a playoff game. 4 years to get to 2nd place. 5 years to win a playoff game.

Khari inherited a mess this year. Late in the off season. No chance to hire his own coaching staff. Lost his GM too. He got his team in 2nd place year 1. A home playoff game. If he wins it, he's tied with MOS for playoff wins and he has a home playoff win, something that MOS most likely won't do in year 6.

 

Yeah, well if we were in the East...

 

You continue to twist yourself into a pretzel to try to prove this team is bad, the coaching is bad, and all the players are bad. 

[Mr Dee]

9 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

It took MOS 3 years to get a playoff game. 4 years to get to 2nd place. 5 years to win a playoff game.

Khari inherited a mess this year. Late in the off season. No chance to hire his own coaching staff. Lost his GM too. He got his team in 2nd place year 1. A home playoff game. If he wins it, he's tied with MOS for playoff wins and he has a home playoff win, something that MOS most likely won't do in year 6.

 

Using this comparison, it’s almost like you don’t know what’s going on in the CFL. Khari’s done a good job but c’mon, Ottawa and Toronto in that division?? Fail.

[JCon]

4 minutes ago, Mr Dee said:

Using this comparison, it’s almost like you don’t know what’s going on in the CFL. Khari’s done a good job but c’mon, Ottawa and Toronto in that division?? Fail.

Always just cherry picks stats. 

[TBURGESS]

 

Not twisting anything. Just facts, that some folks don't like.

Hamilton is the best team in the league this year and they are in the east.

Als would make the playoffs year 1 even if they were in the west.

It took MOS 3 seasons to win more than 8 games, which is where the Als are right now.

Two of the Als last 3 games are against the Argos and the Redblacks, so not much of an advantage to being in the east until they play those two teams again.

Als have beaten the Stamps, the Bombers and the Ticats this year.

 

[JuranBoldenRules]

41 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

It took MOS 3 years to get a playoff game. 4 years to get to 2nd place. 5 years to win a playoff game.

Khari inherited a mess this year. Late in the off season. No chance to hire his own coaching staff. Lost his GM too. He got his team in 2nd place year 1. A home playoff game. If he wins it, he's tied with MOS for playoff wins and he has a home playoff win, something that MOS most likely won't do in year 6.

 

Apples to oranges.

Bombers are in the West.  Montreal is in the East with two historically bad teams in Toronto and Ottawa.  Toronto has one of the worst defenses in modern CFL history and Ottawa has one of the worst offenses, worse than the 2013 Bombers.  Even the worst two teams in the West who are not very good in Edmonton and BC are nowhere near as bad as those two.

The Alouettes would have to be exceptionally awful to not finish 2nd in the East over 18 games.  It's not that great of an accomplishment.  Winning in Calgary is an accomplishment, but that historically bad Ottawa team also won there this season.

[JCon]

And we've beaten them and Calgary and Edmonton and Saskatchewan. 

[Stickem]

Who the hell cares about who is responsible for the 30 year drought....there were people put in place to end the bloody thing and that hasn't happened in the last 5...They have this year to end it...period...quit the glazing over

[Booch]

If in the West Khari would not be in playoffs at moment or hosting a play-off game...also if it was just one division, again he would be on the outside looking in..sure he did a decent job there but Montreal is steps behind where Winnipeg is at..and that team truth be told had the right pieces already there actually just a putz leading them.

I personally don't even factor in the first 2 and a bit season's here for this regime, and to lump that into success/failure rate of them is pointless...They inherited a right mess, and not just with on-field product/coaching...but over the last 3 years plus this one, have won a lot of games, and have made this Organization successful on all fronts, and a place guys want to be.

Play-offs 9 times out of 10 is a crap shoot and basically a situation where the hot team coming in, or the lucky/opportunistic ones win...look how many times the West dominates all year only to loose to the hot hand coming out of the East..players play, and the in game moments/conditions/situations/flow determine who wins, not who is wearing the HC Headset. That being said that coach needs to see when he needs to make changes with offensive or defensive philosophies and when to play the meanie and make the tough decisins based on staff/personel...Osh has advanced in that regard bigtime from when he started and you can see on his face and his manerisms in some games this year that he is fed up with certain aspects and if he is back regardless of how this season ends that there will be change...you have to evolve, or you die..He's not and idiot...stubborn and loyal but not an idiot..Same can be said even more strongly with Miller...if he thiks enough is enough he is the kind of guy who will clean house if he sees the need

[Mr Dee]

I’ve seen this, and I’ve read it too many times. A 28 year Grey Cup is bad enough, but to extend it to 29 years, and now 30 years is erroneous. If you want to round off something, try filing your fingernails..

[TBURGESS]

52 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Apples to oranges.

Bombers are in the West.  Montreal is in the East with two historically bad teams in Toronto and Ottawa.  Toronto has one of the worst defenses in modern CFL history and Ottawa has one of the worst offenses, worse than the 2013 Bombers.  Even the worst two teams in the West who are not very good in Edmonton and BC are nowhere near as bad as those two.

The Alouettes would have to be exceptionally awful to not finish 2nd in the East over 18 games.  It's not that great of an accomplishment.  Winning in Calgary is an accomplishment, but that historically bad Ottawa team also won there this season.

Toronto and Ottawa are bad teams. We've played both twice and so have the Als. No advantage until the Als play them a 3rd time.

MOS year 6 and Khari year 1 are both good teams. I'm comparing year 1 vs year 1. 

At 8-7 the Als are ahead of the Eskimos (8-8). That's the cross over and MOS didn't even get a cross over team in his first 2 years.

I don't discount the first 2 years of the MOS regime. Yes he inherited a bad team, but so did Khari and he made chicken salad out of chicken ****.

 

[Floyd]

Can’t change the fact that Kharu got Vernon Adams on his game when no one else could

If he’s a QB friendly coach, he’s already got a lot of guys beat

i have to agree Khari is outperforming Osh especially in that he’s playing dual roles - we will see if he sustains it

[17to85]

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Montreal has some better pieces on their roster this season than the Bombers had when O'Shea took over. Seriously, go do yourselves a favour and actually look at what was on that Bombers team, especially the Canadians...

[Fatty Liver]

12 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Toronto and Ottawa are bad teams. We've played both twice and so have the Als. No advantage until the Als play them a 3rd time.

MOS year 6 and Khari year 1 are both good teams. I'm comparing year 1 vs year 1. 

At 8-7 the Als are ahead of the Eskimos (8-8). That's the cross over and MOS didn't even get a cross over team in his first 2 years.

I don't discount the first 2 years of the MOS regime. Yes he inherited a bad team, but so did Khari and he made chicken salad out of chicken ****.

 

You can't really compare the roster that O'Shea and Walters inherited in 2013 to the roster Khari recently inherited.  The 2013 Bombers were lacking in almost every position, despite his flaws and lack of respect for the salary cap Kavis did a half decent job attracting a number of all-star level F.A. from across the league and Joe Mack has found a number of very good Imports in the last few years to supplement them.  Plenty of top level performers throughout the Als roster, Muamba,  Campbell,  Lokombo, Murray, Cunningham, Evans,  Loffler, Stanback, Ackie, Bray, Lewis....

[Mark F]

Bryant can take his'n and beat your'n, and then he can turn around and take your'n and beat his'n. ~ On Bear Bryant

- B. Phillips.

Edited October 18, 2019 by Mark F

[Bigblue204]

Khari vs Mos = who gives a ****? Khari isn't coming here. MTL is going to open the bank for him. You can't compare teams because too much has changed. 2013 vs 2019....the **** is wrong with you people? Literally none of this matters, it's completely irrelevant to what is happening now.  Khari is doing well, so is MOS. That's all you can pull from all this BS people are spewing.

MTL has turned around...great? Not sure why that matters in terms of comparing them to the Bombers. One has happened quickly one took a bit longer. What's the problem? Does anyone think 2013 Khari could do what he's doing now? Does anyone think MOS with another 6 years of being an assistant coach would have changed him a bit? No? Yes? I don't ******* know. Question is, why does this matter?

[Floyd]

57 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

I don't think it's a stretch to say that Montreal has some better pieces on their roster this season than the Bombers had when O'Shea took over. Seriously, go do yourselves a favour and actually look at what was on that Bombers team, especially the Canadians...

Montreal has a bunch of no names on their DL - their OL is a mess too

Lokombo was a journeyman until this season

Jones has them over performing - no question